The Lord Jesus and His Holy Scriptures are One (The Scripture Personified) Pt. 1 & 2
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CS1, all the translations though do not say the same thing. And God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all the churches. Hence, I believe that God has One True Bible that is His finished and completed Bible.
Also, you asked, How did God do that?
The Gospel can be found in nearly all of the translations out there. And yet though, for that new babe in Christ to be able to fully grow and develop, they will need to have the perfect and pure word of God. Since we need to live by every word of God that proceedeth out of His mouth. Deuteronomy 8:3, Matthew 4:4, and Luke 4:4.
You cite "Alexandrian" beliefs with no evidence, and claim to be rational? Um, no.
No; the word of God is inspired; the wording of the translation is not. Simple as that.
Still irrelevant.
Also still irrelevant.
No; it says, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God"; the word "inspiration" is not capitalized. That is as true for the NIV and the NASB as it is for the KJV.
No.
Despite your claim, you are, in fact, ignoring them. Nothing in your explanation accounts for them.
Because I see no evidence that He did. I'm not deceived by ignorant, circular, and fallacious arguments.
What you said about me is your opinion and has no basis in fact.
I disagree vigorously that God is one with His word.
I have no obligation to do so. That's your concern, not mine.
Whatever. I don't answer to you.
It's only a doctrinal issue to a cultist.
It is the HOLY BIBLE. Also known as the Holy Scripture. And it is God’s Finished Bible. We call it the King James Holy Bible today because of the scores upon scores of translations out there on the market.
There are no errors in the King James Bible, Dcontroversal. The errors are in your mind and in your own thinking, sir.
God’s word has no error at all.
I worship God and as I am worshipping God, I also am worshipping His word since He Is ONE with His holy word. You cannot separate God from His holy word. They are inseparable.
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Having an Alexandrian mindset, Dino, is simply believing that only the original autographs were perfect and inerrant. The Alexandrian philosophy denies that there is a perfect Bible in existence today that we can actually hold in our hands and read it.
Here is a copy of the Creed of the Alexandrian Cult:
THE CREED OF THE ALEXANDRIAN CULT
by Peter Ruckman
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1. There is NO FINAL AUTHORITY but God.
2. Since God is a SPIRIT, there is NO FINAL AUTHORITY that can be seen, heard, read, felt or handled.
3. Since all books are MATERIAL, there is NO BOOK ON THIS EARTH THAT IS THE FINAL AND ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY on what is right and what is wrong; what constitutes TRUTH and what constitutes ERROR.
4. There WAS a series of writings one time which, IF they had all been put into a BOOK as soon as they were written the first time, WOULD HAVE constituted an infallible and final authority by which to judge truth and error.
5. However, this series of writings was LOST, and the God Who inspired them was UNABLE TO PRESERVE THEIR CONTENT through Bible-believing Christians at Antioch (Syria), where the first Bible teachers were (Acts 13:1), and where the first missionary trip originated (Acts 13:1-6), and where the word "CHRISTIAN" originated (Acts 11:26).
6. So, God chose to ALMOST preserve them through Gnostics and philosophers from Alexandria, Egypt, even though God called HIS SON OUT of Egypt (Mat. 2), JACOB OUT of Egypt (Gen. 49), ISRAEL OUT of Egypt (Exod. 15), and JOSEPH'S BONES OUT of Egypt (Exod. 13).
7. So, there are two streams of Bibles: the most accurate - though, of course, there is NO FINAL, ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY FOR DETERMINING TRUTH AND ERROR: it is a matter of "preference" - are the Egyptian translations from Alexandria, Egypt, which are "almost the originals," although NOT QUITE.
8. The most INACCURATE TRANSLATIONS were those that brought about the GERMAN REFORMATION (Luther, Zwingli, Boehler, Zinzendorf, Spener, etc.) and the worldwide MISSIONARY MOVEMENT of the English speaking people: the Bible that Sunday, Torrey, Moody, Finney, Spurgeon, Whitfield, Wesley, and Chapman used.
9. But we can "tolerate" these if those who believe in them will tolerate US. After all, since THERE IS NO ABSOLUTE AND FINAL AUTHORITY THAT ANYONE CAN READ, TEACH, PREACH, OR HANDLE, the whole thing is a matter of "PREFERENCE." You may prefer what you prefer, and we will prefer what WE prefer: let us live in peace, and if we cannot agree on anything or everything, let us all agree on one thing: THERE IS NO FINAL, ABSOLUTE, WRITTEN AUTHORITY OF GOD ANYWHERE ON THIS EARTH.
This is the creed of the Alexandrian Cult.
I reject the Alexandrian philosophy, as I believe that there is a perfect, finished Bible in existence today and it is the King James Bible.
The Translation is Inspired because God preserved the inspiration. Inspiration must carry over into the translation. Hence, the King James Bible, God’s finished Bible is the very inspired word of the living God.
It is not irrelevant at all. It is relevant because when Jesus was reading Isaiah, He was reading a copy of Isaiah, and not the original. Yet though, He was still reading the inspired word of God.
No, it is not irrelevant. You had yet to refute my points.
The NIV and NASB are based on corrupt Greek texts and manuscripts, and they did not source from the Father.
The King James Bible has sourced from the Father and it is living. But the NIV and the NASB are not living.
Inspiration does carry over. Because once again Dino, Timothy did not have the original autographs in his possession. He only had a copy in his hand, yet though, he still had the very inspired word of God in his possession. He had the Scriptures in possession.
How am Ignoring them, when I considered the whole context of Psalm 12???
Throughout that 12th Psalm, David is showing a contrast between God’s pure, faithful and true words vs man’s vain and unfaithful words which are filled which are spoken with flattering lips and a double tongue. And so we cannot ignore the fact that David was also showing this Contrast between God’s pure words and man’s vain words, Dino,
And so you do admit that you believe that there is no perfect and inspired Bible today.
Since this is the case, Dino, then according to your viewpoint, the word of God is not available to us.
What I said about you is correct and accurate because you already admitted that you do not believe that there is a perfect and an inspired translation available to us today.
Well, you are wrong, Dino. There are so many Scriptures that testify that God is One with His holy word. They possess the same attributes, Nature, Character and Power. They are absolutely equal. What is true about God, is also true for His word.
Sure, you have an obligation to do so, if you tell me that I am not rightly judging you concerning your position on this very issue.
You will answer to God though one day and His word, the King James Bible.
We all will one day stand before God and His word, the Holy Scripture. And we will have to give an account unto them.
There you go again, Dino, with your false accusation. I am not a cultist. I believe that you could be saved. It is just you are very messed up regarding this issue, sadly.
I guess you missed the line, "BY PETER RUCKMAN" so I highlighted it for you. Either Ruckman is himself an Alexandrian, which undermines your position, or the entire 'creed' is a fabrication from the (very corrupt) mind of Ruckman himself, and therefore has absolutely no value in this discussion.
I'll respond to the rest of your post another time. Clearly you aren't in any hurry.
I'll respond to the rest of your post another time. Clearly you aren't in any hurry.
By that logic (which is explained in the 1611 Preface to the Reader), the following translations are also the very inspired word of the living God: Geneva, Tyndale, Stephanus, Erasmus (all five, even though they differ), 1769 Blaney, RSV, ASV, NRSV, NASB, NLT, NIV, Jubilee, Rheims-Douay, etc.
True. Jesus recognized that the word of God in a copy was as valid as the autograph. That doesn't add anything to your argument that it doesn't also add to mine.
Again, it doesn't add anything to your argument that it doesn't also add to mine.
Assertion without evidence is worth no more than opinion.
Utter garbage.
Already addressed above.
I'm not playing your silly game.
No, I didn't.
Garbage. The word of God is progressive revelation, and was different in 2500 BC than it was in 1000 BC, 400 BC, or 100 AD. God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Your position is completely untenable.
I don't accept your fallacious burden of proof reversal.
No, we will have to give account to God. We will not have to give account to His word the Holy Scripture, because it is not a Person. I certainly won't have to give account to the KJV; if I did, then everyone who lived prior to its completion would have to, and every person who doesn't even read English would have to as well, which together are more than adequate to prove the utter stupidity of your assertion.
Blah blah blah. If you're going to take the time to write, write something worth reading.
Seriously, you just don't get it. David wrote the words, "from this generation" meaning that God has preserved (something) FROM THIS GENERATION (whether that something is the word of God or not is actually beside the point).
PRESERVED FROM THIS GENERATION.
That means something very different than "preserved for all generations", which is what you imply it means. You cannot make a rational case that Psalm 12 supports the idea that God has preserved His word for all time. The text simply doesn't say that, and no amount of bleating, whining, or bad argumentation from deluded KJV worshipers is going to change that. By continually ignoring those three words, you undermine your own case.
PRESERVED FROM THIS GENERATION.
That means something very different than "preserved for all generations", which is what you imply it means. You cannot make a rational case that Psalm 12 supports the idea that God has preserved His word for all time. The text simply doesn't say that, and no amount of bleating, whining, or bad argumentation from deluded KJV worshipers is going to change that. By continually ignoring those three words, you undermine your own case.
Well, I would agree that the Geneva Bible, Tyndale, are also inspited. But not the NIV, ASV, NLT, and all the other modern translations which you named, since the modern translations are not translated from the right Greek texts.
Sure, it validates my position. Because I have been defending that a translation can be inspired all along.
But you do not believe that any Bible today is the inerrant word of God. That is your position, correct??