The New Covenant Is Not What Many Have Been Taught

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Cameron143 said:
Better read Hebrews again. Not only are the promises better, but the Mediator is better and the ministry is better.
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The Old Covenant is a physical contract for a physical people with a physical law with physical promises and a physical priesthood

the New Covenant is a spiritual contract for a spiritual people with a spiritual law, spiritual promises and a Spiritual high priest

And both are marriage contracts, when Christ returns He will marry the Church
One reason Christ came to earth was to confirm the marriage with His Bride.
 
memberofthebride said:
comment:

The Old Covenant is a physical contract for a physical people with a physical law with physical promises and a physical priesthood

the New Covenant is a spiritual contract for a spiritual people with a spiritual law, spiritual promises and a Spiritual high priest

And both are marriage contracts, when Christ returns He will marry the Church
One reason Christ came to earth was to confirm the marriage with His Bride.
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We are already the bride of Christ.
 
memberofthebride said:
comment:

The Old Covenant is a physical contract for a physical people with a physical law with physical promises and a physical priesthood

the New Covenant is a spiritual contract for a spiritual people with a spiritual law, spiritual promises and a Spiritual high priest

And both are marriage contracts, when Christ returns He will marry the Church
One reason Christ came to earth was to confirm the marriage with His Bride.
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As @Cameron143 mentioned, the New Covenant contains better promises than the Old Covenant, and the stipulations of the New Covenant were satisfied by God alone on our behalf. With the Old Covenant, however, man was solely responsible for the satisfying of all of its stipulations
 
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rogerg said:
As @Cameron143 mentioned, the New Covenant contains better promises than the Old Covenant, and the stipulations of the New Covenant were satisfied by God alone on our behalf. With the Old Covenant, however, man was solely responsible for the satisfying of all of its stipulations
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It is a fact Christ taught the Torah and the Commandments are to be kept.
It is also fact according to John, Paul is difficult to understand and the 40,000 churches follow Paul and not Christ. why, because of grace, it has no requirements, it was all done for you

My bible is 1500 pages , God, Christ, wrote 1420 and Paul 80, I follow God and not the man Paul.

here is another thought:

IF ?? If the “40,000 flavors of Confusion” (churches) are all on God’s path to ‘salvation’;

then doctrine does not matter and how one lives their life matters not as well.

If you say not all are accepted by God then by what criteria, what doctrines can be used to make that determination? as to which are and which are not?

Religion today is mass confusion and I fellowship not with any of the 40,000
 
memberofthebride said:
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It is a fact Christ taught the Torah and the Commandments are to be kept.
It is also fact according to John, Paul is difficult to understand and the 40,000 churches follow Paul and not Christ. why, because of grace, it has no requirements, it was all done for you

My bible is 1500 pages , God, Christ, wrote 1420 and Paul 80, I follow God and not the man Paul.

here is another thought:

IF ?? If the “40,000 flavors of Confusion” (churches) are all on God’s path to ‘salvation’;

then doctrine does not matter and how one lives their life matters not as well.

If you say not all are accepted by God then by what criteria, what doctrines can be used to make that determination? as to which are and which are not?

Religion today is mass confusion and I fellowship not with any of the 40,000
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The Holy Spirit wrote the Bible. It is all inspired. If you don't see all scripture as equally authoritative, you will fall into doctrinal error, as you have here.
 
Cameron143 said:
The Holy Spirit wrote the Bible. It is all inspired. If you don't see all scripture as equally authoritative, you will fall into doctrinal error, as you have here.
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Sorry the Holy Spirit belongs to the Father it is not a person -- there is no trinity and THE WORD which is Jesus Christ all came out of HIS MOUTH. 4But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Translators translate according to the own set of beliefs, use many translations and strongs for proof of words like easter

And if you believe John, Paul has caused many to be deceived and led astray. i.e. the 40,000
Again a man "supposedly" says the Law is gone and God says it is eternal. I follow my Maker.
 
memberofthebride said:
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Sorry the Holy Spirit belongs to the Father it is not a person -- there is no trinity and THE WORD which is Jesus Christ all came out of HIS MOUTH. 4But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Translators translate according to the own set of beliefs, use many translations and strongs for proof of words like easter

And if you believe John, Paul has caused many to be deceived and led astray. i.e. the 40,000
Again a man "supposedly" says the Law is gone and God says it is eternal. I follow my Maker.
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Jesus thought the Holy Spirit was a person...John 16:8-11.
 
Cameron143 said:
Jesus thought the Holy Spirit was a person...John 16:8-11.
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Strange Christ did not include the "ghost"

16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is TRUE: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.

30 I and [my] Father are one. So I must believe the ghost is in the ONE

Plus; In all of Paul's letters in the greeting, he never includes this ghost nor the Holy Spirit, not once!

God is a Family, the father and his son. how does a ghost, what every that is, fit in?? that is a mystery coming from Rome.
 
pinebeach said:
I am of the ever deepening opinion that certain members are already somewhere in outer space.
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God's throne sits on the side of the north is is an area science cannot see in to like they can in other places in outer space.



4urenlightment said:
Kim Clement
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You lose all credibility when you post videos to know false prophets such as Kim Clement.

He has said many things that turned out to not be true which demonstrates he was not hearing from the Lord, unless one wants to believe the Lord told him some un true stuff

Some will claim Kim Clement got a few things right, but tthat just proves that even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and again.


memberofthebride said:
If you check with Paul he states the only change to the New Covenant is with the promises, every thing else remained the same, The Torah is and will always be the Law
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Yes, let's check in with what the Lord said thru the Apostle Paul


Hebrews 3:5,6
And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after; But Christ as a Son over His own house; whose house are we, IF we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

Now, there is a new house, the Body of Jesus Christ! Under the New Covenant that the Lord said would come forth, we see Jesus Christ as the High Priest. The old covenant with it’s laws and regulations have been taken away because thru Jesus Christ a new and better covenant has come in to place.

Hebrews 10:9
Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. (God said He would make a New Covenant - see Jeremiah 31:31-34)

Hebrews 8:6
But now hath Jesus obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also Jesus is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

And with the changing of the priesthood, God’s Word tells us there is also a change of the law.

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

So we see that the Lord tells us thru the writings of Paul that the entire old covenant has been done away with altogether

God’s people are no longer living under the Law of Moses. Now God’s people are living under the Law of Christ (also called the law of liberty, law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus – see Galatians 6:2, 1 Corinthians 9:21, James 2:12, James 1:25, Romans 8:2)

Granted some of the things founds in the OT law are carried over in to the New Covenant, the Lord has definitely upped the standard under the New Covenant so there are a lot of things under the old covenant that are no longer applicable to us today seeing the Lord said the old covenant has been taken away (Hebrews 10:9) so the Lord could establish the New Covenant and the law has been changed (Hebrews 7:12)

We under a New Covenant now, you should check it out!
 
memberofthebride said:
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Strange Christ did not include the "ghost"

16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is TRUE: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.

30 I and [my] Father are one. So I must believe the ghost is in the ONE

Plus; In all of Paul's letters in the greeting, he never includes this ghost nor the Holy Spirit, not once!

God is a Family, the father and his son. how does a ghost, what every that is, fit in?? that is a mystery coming from Rome.
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OK. Ignore the words of Jesus calling the Holy Spirit a person.
 
Cameron143 said:
OK. Ignore the words of Jesus calling the Holy Spirit a person.
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Christ referred to the Spirit of the Father in the masculine as The Family is masculine not feminine.
God IS Spirit and the spirit is LIFE, it is the power of God, the force. it has no name, it is spirit, breath, wind, but no name and never speaks in the first person. it can be poured, measured, and can come out of the belly of the resurrected saints of God --- there ain't no third

him #846
autos: he, she, it, they, them, himself, herself, itself, themselves, same
Original Word: αὐτός
Part of Speech: Personal Pronoun
Transliteration: autos
Pronunciation: ow-TOS
Phonetic Spelling: (ow-tos')
KJV: her, it(-self), one, the other, (mine) own, said, (self-), the) same, ((him-, my-, thy-)self, (your-)selves, she, that, their(-s), them(-selves), there(-at, -by, -in, -into, -of, -on, -with), they, (these) things, this (man), those, together, very, which
NASB: himself, same, themselves, very, yourselves, myself, ourselves

(when he is come)_ #2064 erchomai: To come, to go: there is no 'He", "He" is shown as four words To come, to go

#1565 ekeinos: that, that one, he, she, it (, he )
 
memberofthebride said:
comment:

The Old Covenant is a physical contract for a physical people with a physical law with physical promises and a physical priesthood

the New Covenant is a spiritual contract for a spiritual people with a spiritual law, spiritual promises and a Spiritual high priest

And both are marriage contracts, when Christ returns He will marry the Church
One reason Christ came to earth was to confirm the marriage with His Bride.
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I concur with your estimate.
 
memberofthebride said:
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Christ referred to the Spirit of the Father in the masculine as The Family is masculine not feminine.
God IS Spirit and the spirit is LIFE, it is the power of God, the force. it has no name, it is spirit, breath, wind, but no name and never speaks in the first person. it can be poured, measured, and can come out of the belly of the resurrected saints of God --- there ain't no third

him #846
autos: he, she, it, they, them, himself, herself, itself, themselves, same
Original Word: αὐτός
Part of Speech: Personal Pronoun
Transliteration: autos
Pronunciation: ow-TOS
Phonetic Spelling: (ow-tos')
KJV: her, it(-self), one, the other, (mine) own, said, (self-), the) same, ((him-, my-, thy-)self, (your-)selves, she, that, their(-s), them(-selves), there(-at, -by, -in, -into, -of, -on, -with), they, (these) things, this (man), those, together, very, which
NASB: himself, same, themselves, very, yourselves, myself, ourselves

(when he is come)_ #2064 erchomai: To come, to go: there is no 'He", "He" is shown as four words To come, to go

#1565 ekeinos: that, that one, he, she, it (, he )
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Nope. He referred to Him with a personal pronoun. By definition, this makes Him a person.
 
DallasMan said:
OK, so give us God's definition of love.

He tells us what Love is ion His Word, do you know what He said???





That false doctrine of the calvinists rares it's ugly demonic head yet again View attachment 283683

Tell us how God supposedly WANTS most people to go to hell.

Tell us how all the evil in this world is caused by God.

The calvinists are the tares Jesus warned about, just like the pharisees and sadducees claiming to be speaking in behalf of the Lord but are actually speaking in behalf of their father the devil.
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God's love, best definition is as I see it in 1 Cor 13:4-7, ends, not ends in verse 13 God is forever in love to us all, Charity. Wow! Son went willingly to that cross and died physically willingly for us all to be viewed as perfect from Father as reported in Col 1:21-22. Thank you Father woe is me Isaiah 6:1-7

Calvinists you say, and many others it is all simply the flesh nature of people not born new yet, God wanting to do that in and through each person and has told each person this personally to be born new by Father through risen Son for us all. Me at least, Father loves us all, which I see from day one in the fall of Adam the first. God had mercy on both Adam and Eve from day one. God did not kill them. They did that to themselves in selfishness and people, many still do that to this day
I love Paul's writing in Phil 1-3 written to us, to rest and see God just loves us all and it is the love of God that overcame and overcomes evil period. Thanks I am aware, and see to trust God no matter what and not tear out the tares for now. Matthew 10:16-20
Thank you
 
homwardbound said:
God's love, best definition is as I see it in 1 Cor 13:4-7, ends, not ends in verse 13 God is forever in love to us all, Charity. Wow! Son went willingly to that cross and died physically willingly for us all to be viewed as perfect from Father as reported in Col 1:21-22. Thank you Father woe is me Isaiah 6:1-7

Calvinists you say, and many others it is all simply the flesh nature of people not born new yet, God wanting to do that in and through each person and has told each person this personally to be born new by Father through risen Son for us all. Me at least, Father loves us all, which I see from day one in the fall of Adam the first. God had mercy on both Adam and Eve from day one. God did not kill them. They did that to themselves in selfishness and people, many still do that to this day
I love Paul's writing in Phil 1-3 written to us, to rest and see God just loves us all and it is the love of God that overcame and overcomes evil period. Thanks I am aware, and see to trust God no matter what and not tear out the tares for now. Matthew 10:16-20
Thank you
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Greater love has no man then he give his life for his friend,
putting others ahead of ones self.
 
DallasMan said:
Why not believe what God says in His Word so you don't have to estimate (guess)?
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I do believe and I have found no clear proof and if Rome says its true then I know for sure it is NOT.
in the 1600 century they added words, that does not work for me
If this trinity were true why is it not in the Old Testament, why have none of the prophets spoken of it.
Why don't the Jews believe it?
Why is it call a ghost and Holy spirit and why is it --- wind, breath and spirit, how is that a God person 'wind"?
and from history it never shows up until the 2nd or 3 centuries.
sorry more then a few vague pronouns are needed for me
 
memberofthebride said:
in the 1600 century they added words, that does not work for me
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Wow! So your claim is Jesus is weak and powerless to provide mankind with an accurate copy of His Word.

That being the case, on what exactly do you base your salvation?

If you claim Rome wrote the Bible how do you know salvation cane only be found in Jesus

Maybe it was originally Billy Bob and Rome changed it to Jesus and we should all be calling on Billy Bob for salivation?

If you throw God's written Word out believing the Lord is weak and powerless to provide mankind with an accurate copy of His Word then you have no way to know if you are even saved or not. Amazing!
 
memberofthebride said:
If this trinity were true
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Ever see all the scriptures about the Father?
Ever see all the scriptures about Jesus?
Ever see all the scriptures about the Holy Spirit?
Oh that's right, you don't believe mankind has a copy of God's Word and don't know what to believe laughing3.gif
 
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