The New Covenant Is Not What Many Have Been Taught

[memberofthebride]

Wow! So your claim is Jesus is weak and powerless to provide mankind with an accurate copy of His Word.

That being the case, on what exactly do you base your salvation?

If you claim Rome wrote the Bible how do you know salvation cane only be found in Jesus

Maybe it was originally Billy Bob and Rome changed it to Jesus and we should all be calling on Billy Bob for salivation?

If you throw God's written Word out believing the Lord is weak and powerless to provide mankind with an accurate copy of His Word then you have no way to know if you are even saved or not. Amazing!

Comment

No, I said God is powerful and if God wants a person He calls to understand His Word He opens their mind. those he is not calling at this time He does not open which is why we have 40,000 kinds of churches with 40,000 doctrines === thats just a little confusing wouldn't you say? and I know which god is the author of confusion.

plus if the Bible were so accurate then why are there so many translations? plus Greek is an abstract language, no mental image. the Hebrew language is based upon Physical mental images like Rock, king

I did not say Rome wrote the Bible but they changes some of it, and many doctrines and times as well, actually they rewrote their own version. Do you believe the word "easter" was in the original?

I use the entire 1500 pages of the Word of God and I use multiple scriptures to prove doctrine not just one.
I will admit it has taken 55 years to get to where I am now.

 

[homwardbound]

Greater love has no man then he give his life for his friend,
putting others ahead of ones self.

that above, once revealed this to me from Father changed me, first in belief, Son did at that cross take away all sin from us all, it is Finished he did it, I Believe it. John 1:29, John 19:30
I then tried to not sin and got caught up in sinning anyways over trying to not do it again. my thought process to not sin again, trapped me to continue doing it, not wanting to do it. I stood and stand in belief, God did by Son take away sin at the cross in his willing one time death to flesh for us all. yet I was trapped in flesh nature trying to do what no other flesh can ever do perfect ever, Only Son could and did that first for us all to choose to believe God or not consciously.
God finally revealed to me God did it as I stood and stand in belief to God anyways. Then sin stopped thanks to God. Understanding, I am still capable of sinning more as did when under Law, yet a lot less now, thanks to God, me reading and seeing. Hebrews 7-9 amazing then saw Hebrews 4:9-13 as well Hebrews 5:12- Chapter 6
It takes reading the Epistles the whole epistle written to get revealed truth from God through them, at least me thank you Father and Son as Won for us all
I see to take any verse and read 25 verses before the verse and 25 after that verse to be in context of the writer that wrote the Epistles. at least for me to be not grasping at straws anymore and swallowing camels anymore as I have in past under Law, now I uphold the Law, not under it anymore thank you God you did it, I believe it and I am at rest by your done work, thank you very much

 

[pinebeach]

Don't believe everything you hear about Edgar Cayce. He was a true Christian who read the Bible since he was a child and as he got older, he taught Sunday school.

I don't know how long you have been following the teachings of Cayce, but he is not considered a Christian by people who are Christians. He had roots in the occult, which is demonic, and while he might have had some of the outward appearance of being a
believer in Christ, he was not, in fact, a follower of Jesus.

He was actually a psychic as acknowledged by all who knew him while he was alive and that is not a gift of the Holy Spirit. He would go into a trance and give 'readings to literally thousands who came to him and he did that, while he was physically unconscious. During that state, he was apparently taken over by a spirit that would diagnose illness and reveal lives lived in the past and prophecy about the future.

Now the Bible tells us that we live once and we do not come back or have past lives, so his perfomance wherein he did or something did these things through him, should ring an alarm bell. It gets worse. Cayce, in his own words, said that he was able to see and talk to his dead grandfather's spirit and play with 'friends' when he was growing up, which he said were spirits 'on the other side'.

Nothin about any of that is godly or comes from God. He also made contact with what he called the 'universal consciousness' which was not God because God reveals Himself as Spirit, not one of many, but the only one. Where there are many spirits, there is only one Spirit who is God. He is not a spirit, but Spirit.

There are many things that could be said, but I'm not going to do that. I'm stopping here and stating that a person who is a follower of the Lord Jesus Christ, should have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Edgar Cayce, his readings or prophecies or anything else pertaining to him.

If you are a follower of Jesus, you need to repent of your dealings with this dead man and 'spirits', confess your sin and ask for forgiveness and determine to put this behind you.

I am not telling you what to do; I am advising you that you have a choice and the choice is yours to make. I'm not going to discuss this false prophet any further with you. I think you know what you are doing, so consider that you are following someone who was not of God, someone who was greatly influenced by evil spirits and was deceived and leading many into the same deception.

The worst part of his beliefs, is that he was particularly wanting to connect with children. Understand that children are gullible, can be easily influenced with no ability to determine if they are in the presence of demons or the Holy Spirit.

 

[pinebeach]

I will add that I do not follow prophets, not Clement or anyone as the gift of prophecy in the NT does not describe some kind of lone ranger prophet that people should follow. People are being led astray because they do not love the truth (as scripture states) and they have made idols for themselves out of fallible human beings.

Determine to follow Jesus and seek Him. Deception is already rampant and Jesus warned us many times that deception will be so bad as time continues, that even the very elect might be deceived.

Goosebumps and feelings are not discernment nor are thy indicative that the Holy Spirit is working in a congregation or individual.

 

[DallasMan]

No, I said God is powerful and if God wants a person He calls to understand His Word He opens their mind. those he is not calling at this time He does not open which is why we have 40,000 kinds of churches with 40,000 doctrines === thats just a little confusing wouldn't you say? and I know which god is the author of confusion.

I see so all the people that are not saved - it's God's fault they are not saved because God decided to not open the eyes of their understanding?

That kinds of belief comes out of the cult of calvinism which is heresy

plus if the Bible were so accurate then why are there so many translations? plus Greek is an abstract language, no mental image. the Hebrew language is based upon Physical mental images like Rock, king

I did not say Rome wrote the Bible but they changes some of it, and many doctrines and times as well, actually they rewrote their own version. Do you believe the word "easter" was in the original?

I use the entire 1500 pages of the Word of God and I use multiple scriptures to prove doctrine not just one.
I will admit it has taken 55 years to get to where I am now.

Apparently you are ignorant of satan's devices.

Go back and re-read how the devil deceived Adam and Eve.

The devil still operates like this today as he is always seeking to twist what God actually said by offering alternative ways of looking at what God said where the devil sneaks in his deception while making it sound good.

 

[memberofthebride]

I see so all the people that are not saved - it's God's fault they are not saved because God decided to not open the eyes of their understanding?

That kinds of belief comes out of the cult of calvinism which is heresy





Apparently you are ignorant of satan's devices.

Go back and re-read how the devil deceived Adam and Eve.

The devil still operates like this today as he is always seeking to twist what God actually said by offering alternative ways of looking at what God said where the devil sneaks in his deception while making it sound good.

Comment;

No I get that from the mouth of Jesus christ

10And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

If Christ wanted everyone to hear and follow Him, why after preaching to ten of thousands why was there only 120 at Pentecost? and today out of 8 billion there are only around 2 billion that call themselves christian.
Explain that! and many of the 40,000 have the 6 billion going to hell to be punished for all eternity
that is not the God I worship.

 

[Mem]

Granted some of the things founds in the OT law are carried over in to the New Covenant, the Lord has definitely upped the standard under the New Covenant so there are a lot of things under the old covenant that are no longer applicable to us today seeing the Lord said the old covenant has been taken away (Hebrews 10:9) so the Lord could establish the New Covenant and the law has been changed (Hebrews 7:12)

I was with you to the point here where I'm stuck in the reeds. You said, "some of the things founds in the OT law are carried over in to the New Covenant, the Lord has definitely upped the standard under the New Covenant so there are a lot of things..." and then I pick back up with you at "under the old covenant that are no longer applicable to us today seeing the Lord said the old covenant has been taken away..."

I'm seeing that Jesus fulfilled (like as in filled the entire prescription of) the law and that nailed (the ordinance against us) to the cross (this must be spiritually speaking of His Body since he didn't actually nail the two tablets to the cross). He died by the law (as is the fulfillment of the law) even though He is innocent (according to the law). That is, He kept not only the letter of the law but also the Spirit of the Law (as demonstrated by His healing on the Sabbath). I mean, was Jesus actually guilty of breaking the Sabbath as His accusers asserted of Him? Personally, I don't think so as much as the Spirit of the Sabbath was totally lost on them.

Assuming that you have in mind Jesus "upping the standard" as a "new" commandment, my view is that this is Jesus simply clarifying to them exactly just how much they've been missing it all along.

And I think John got what they'd been missing all along, and Peter missed it too and picked it up a little later but soon after, and what Paul was missing and finally realized it. And if what they were missing could be summed up in five words of Jesus that, once a person earnestly 'gets', or 'receives for themselves,' the scales on their eyes will melt away. Those words are, "As I have loved you."

I mean, who has not been broken in that moment of realization? Who hasn't died and been raised again in newness of life after 'believing' that in spirit and in truth? I think that is the 'hot' vs the cold and the lukewarm.

I don't think many 'get' God's employment of the analogy of "first love" because everyone most likely spends the rest of their lives trying to 'forget' that it ever happened, but even He remembers how purely you had loved then.

 

[4urenlightment]

I don't know how long you have been following the teachings of Cayce, but he is not considered a Christian by people who are Christians. He had roots in the occult, which is demonic, and while he might have had some of the outward appearance of being a
believer in Christ, he was not, in fact, a follower of Jesus.

He was actually a psychic as acknowledged by all who knew him while he was alive and that is not a gift of the Holy Spirit. He would go into a trance and give 'readings to literally thousands who came to him and he did that, while he was physically unconscious. During that state, he was apparently taken over by a spirit that would diagnose illness and reveal lives lived in the past and prophecy about the future.

Now the Bible tells us that we live once and we do not come back or have past lives, so his perfomance wherein he did or something did these things through him, should ring an alarm bell. It gets worse. Cayce, in his own words, said that he was able to see and talk to his dead grandfather's spirit and play with 'friends' when he was growing up, which he said were spirits 'on the other side'.

Nothin about any of that is godly or comes from God. He also made contact with what he called the 'universal consciousness' which was not God because God reveals Himself as Spirit, not one of many, but the only one. Where there are many spirits, there is only one Spirit who is God. He is not a spirit, but Spirit.

There are many things that could be said, but I'm not going to do that. I'm stopping here and stating that a person who is a follower of the Lord Jesus Christ, should have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Edgar Cayce, his readings or prophecies or anything else pertaining to him.

If you are a follower of Jesus, you need to repent of your dealings with this dead man and 'spirits', confess your sin and ask for forgiveness and determine to put this behind you.

I am not telling you what to do; I am advising you that you have a choice and the choice is yours to make. I'm not going to discuss this false prophet any further with you. I think you know what you are doing, so consider that you are following someone who was not of God, someone who was greatly influenced by evil spirits and was deceived and leading many into the same deception.

The worst part of his beliefs, is that he was particularly wanting to connect with children. Understand that children are gullible, can be easily influenced with no ability to determine if they are in the presence of demons or the Holy Spirit.

The Israelites thought that Jesus was the resurrection of John Baptist, Elijah and or Jeremiah or one of the past prophets who died.
And when Jesus resurrected, He walked around and visited others. They said they didn't recognize that it was Jesus the person who they met.
Jesus was only gone for a few days, but not decades. I wonder why they couldn't recognize Him when they were around Him?

That new age that they claimed that Edgar Cayce is a part of, never came out of his mouth. But science is catching up with the spiritual realm. It's because of unexplainable things that was witnessed by others that they're trying to make sense of it.
And so, they found out that there's an unseen energy source that we can produce from our emotions. And now they are teaching a new type of science in schools.

Matthew 16:13 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”

14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”

Luke 8:25
“Where is your faith?” he asked his disciples. In fear and amazement, they asked one another, “Who is this? He commands even the winds and the water, and they obey him.”

 

[Gideon300]

The Israelites thought that Jesus was the resurrection of John Baptist, Elijah and or Jeremiah or one of the past prophets who died.
And when Jesus resurrected, He walked around and visited others. They said they didn't recognize that it was Jesus the person who they met.
Jesus was only gone for a few days, but not decades. I wonder why they couldn't recognize Him when they were around Him?

That new age that they claimed that Edgar Cayce is a part of, never came out of his mouth. But science is catching up with the spiritual realm. It's because of unexplainable things that was witnessed by others that they're trying to make sense of it.
And so, they found out that there's an unseen energy source that we can produce from our emotions. And now they are teaching a new type of science in schools.

Matthew 16:13 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”

14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”

Luke 8:25
“Where is your faith?” he asked his disciples. In fear and amazement, they asked one another, “Who is this? He commands even the winds and the water, and they obey him.”

You are dabbling in realms that you do not understand and that are dangerous. Science is not God. Yes, there is an "energy source". It is the life that makes us human. It is the same life that leads mankind astray and brings sin, death and God's judgement. That life God condemns to death. God's remedy is to include us in the death of Christ and also in His resurrection. Jesus came that we might have life. If the life we were born with is good enough, Jesus would not have had to give us new life.

Cayce was a clairvoyant and believed in reincarnation. I would not call him New Age, just an old fashioned occult practitioner. Avoid him and all like him like the plague.

 

[tourist]

Why not believe what God says in His Word so you don't have to estimate (guess)?

In estimate is just an opinion. Absolutely, believe in what God says in his Word.

 

[tourist]

Greater love has no man then he give his life for his friend,
putting others ahead of ones self.

Absolutely, brother.

 

[posthuman]

Comment

I agree! with this clarification, our human nature is being cut away by the "circumcision without hands" and replaced with the Divine Nature of God and the Torah reveals that Divine Nature to man.

2 Peter 1:
4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

a spiritual circumcision made without hands is against what you said, that the law is physical - it's promises and requirements

and the point Paul makes in Galatians, where the terminology of a spiritual circumcision is found, is that a physical circumcision, as the Law itself very specifically requires, is become sin for the Christian, specifically because it represents the Christian subjecting themselves to the physical requirements of the law.

there can be only two conclusions:

• reject the testimony Paul, Peter, Luke, James, and John - - in fact reject the entire NT, reject the gospel completely
• the Christian is not subject to the requirements of Torah

 

[posthuman]

the Christian is not subject to the requirements of Torah

• not physically subject

why?

because we who are actually in Christ, have died. so that we may live.

none of you outside of Him are capable of understanding this.

you're simply lost, depending on your own efforts and will.
you pretend to keep a mockery of Moses, and you will die in your sin.

 

[memberofthebride]

a spiritual circumcision made without hands is against what you said, that the law is physical - it's promises and requirements

and the point Paul makes in Galatians, where the terminology of a spiritual circumcision is found, is that a physical circumcision, as the Law itself very specifically requires, is become sin for the Christian, specifically because it represents the Christian subjecting themselves to the physical requirements of the law.

there can be only two conclusions:

• reject the testimony Paul, Peter, Luke, James, and John - - in fact reject the entire NT, reject the gospel completely
• the Christian is not subject to the requirements of Torah

comment:

So "christians" are no longer required to NOT murder, NOT lie, Not fornicate???
One question; If the entire world kept just the last 6 commandments do you not see world peace would be the result?? And you do believe Paul wants christian to run from the Commandments, right?

The New Covenant is spiritual thus it is spiritual circumcision of the "heart"

the majority of folks on this site are proving to me that what is falsely called christianty, is mass confusion, completely illogical and deceived

I, as Christ has commanded, watch and what I see coming fast and soon -- is the fall of the United States of America. and when that does happen billions will die.

this is exactly where we at right now!

4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. thats the 40,000

Today we have THE MANY coming saying they are the ministers of Christ and they are deceiving MANY

 

[4urenlightment]

a spiritual circumcision made without hands is against what you said, that the law is physical - it's promises and requirements

and the point Paul makes in Galatians, where the terminology of a spiritual circumcision is found, is that a physical circumcision, as the Law itself very specifically requires, is become sin for the Christian, specifically because it represents the Christian subjecting themselves to the physical requirements of the law.

there can be only two conclusions:

• reject the testimony Paul, Peter, Luke, James, and John - - in fact reject the entire NT, reject the gospel completely
• the Christian is not subject to the requirements of Torah

The foreskin is the part of the male's body that helps to infect the body of bacteria or viruses that destroys the body. And circumcision is cutting away that part of the body.
But everything that was done in the OT was done for our physical nature to help make us become perfect. But the laws couldn't make us to become perfect, and that's what God is showing us.
But now God's plan to make us perfect, is by cleaning the inside of the bowl, that it'll make the outside clean. That is what the true circumcision Paul speak of. That it's to cut away from our earthly nature that is infecting our souls.
All of the prophets who became perfect had left behind their earthly nature to follow God. And that's why they were blessed with power.
Like John the Baptist walked away from his earthly nature, that's why Jesus made a statement that John showed you the way. And Moses who was married, put away his marriage life to serve God. And that's the meaning of love the Lord your God and serve Him only that it's showing that we love Him by giving everything for Him. But Paul said, we should be circumcised from our earthly nature like not to be married like he wasn't married, because you're committed to your spouse, that you can't serve two because it'll make life harder. But He said if we do, you have not sin. But if you don't, you are doing better. But whatever the situation a person was in when they came to Christ, then they should stay in that situation because God chosen them to come while they were in that situation.
But if a person can't resist the desires of marriage, then they should be married. Because it's better to be married than burn.


Matthew 21:32
For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.

1 Kings 19:21
So Elisha left him and went back. He took his yoke of oxen and slaughtered them. He burned the plowing equipment to cook the meat and gave it to the people, and they ate. Then he set out to follow Elijah and became his servant.

Matthew 23:26
Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.

 

[DallasMan]

In estimate is just an opinion. Absolutely, believe in what God says in his Word.

Then let's go by what God says in His Word and quit guessing!

 

[posthuman]

comment:

So "christians" are no longer required to NOT murder, NOT lie, Not fornicate???
One question; If the entire world kept just the last 6 commandments do you not see world peace would be the result?? And you do believe Paul wants christian to run from the Commandments, right?

The New Covenant is spiritual thus it is spiritual circumcision of the "heart"

the majority of folks on this site are proving to me that what is falsely called christianty, is mass confusion, completely illogical and deceived

I, as Christ has commanded, watch and what I see coming fast and soon -- is the fall of the United States of America. and when that does happen billions will die.

this is exactly where we at right now!

4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. thats the 40,000

Today we have THE MANY coming saying they are the ministers of Christ and they are deceiving MANY

whoever loves fulfills the law.

no one is arguing that the Christian should go around sinning or that they do not have a standard of righteousness that they should strive to live by - - but that standard is not the Law of Moses, it is love, and the covenant of Christ is of faith, not of works.

nowhere did His apostles preach, 'obey the 10 commandments and you will be saved' - - they preached 'believe on the LORD Jesus Christ' - - because the promises of Salvation are not according to what we have done but Who we have put our trust in: ourselves and our works and willpower? or in Christ Who redeemed us?

 

[posthuman]

what I see coming fast and soon -- is the fall of the United States of America

having as a leader an egotistical maniac liar who constantly boasts about how great he is and what great things he does, and kinda half pretends to be a Christian in order to manipulate people and gain power...

.. doesn't this strike you as a wee bit pharisetical?

 

[DallasMan]

having as a leader an egotistical maniac liar who constantly boasts about how great he is and what great things he does, and kinda half pretends to be a Christian in order to manipulate people and gain power...

That's what the liberals call someone who is trying to undo all the damage liberals have caused.

 

[posthuman]

That's what the liberals call someone who is trying to undo all the damage liberals have caused.

that he is an egomaniac, that he is a pattern liar, that he is not a Christian but manipulatiled the evangelical vote through deceit in order to gain personal power, all of these are simply facts.

these facts are a picture of a certain American pathos, and also of legalistic soteriology - - vainly obsessed with their own will and works, dishonest about the value of those things, and ultimately concerned with having preeminence and glory for themselves.