The Parable of the Ten Virgins does not refer to the church

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I think Isa. 62:5 is the first place God's people are referred to as His bride, and then there is this passage in Ezekiel:

Ezek. 16:32-38. These verses compare the relationship between God and people to marriage, calling the Israelites adulterous for being unfaithful to the Lord. This reminds us of Paul describing the church as the bride of Christ in Eph. 5:23-32, and it teaches us that the second most important thing to learn after how to be saved or “married” is to remain faithful until the day we die by continuing to LGW and apply it to our lives.

Like the passage in Ezekiel cited previously, Hosea employs the marriage analogy and condemned Israel for being unfaithful or adulterous or like a prostitute (e.g., Hos. 1:2, 2:2, 3:1, 9:1).

Paul referred to the church as the bride of Christ in Eph. 5:22-29, and John referred to the bride of the Lamb in Rev. 19:7, 21:2&9, 22:17.
There is nothing in the parable to equate the foolish virgins with an unfaithful spouse.
 
Are You trying to make a point that there is one person who is the actual bride, but thousands of "bridesmaids"?
....and, that, the "bridesmaids"dynamic is taught in the epistles?
Jesus comming back and taking bridesmaids to heaven?
who are those taken in 1 thes 4?
are they "bridesmaids"?
You're saying only one person is a bride?..... , so there can not be 5 brides, in the parable ?
I hope not.

David is the forerunner of Jesus.
He had many brides/wives.

Again, I do not see any bridesmaids dynamic, or where a sinner advance from a bridesmaid to a bride, or a dynamic that believers are a substandard "bridesmaid".
It simply needs to be jettisoned and start over, with the greek wording for "virgin".
A parable overworked, is most always going to depart from its simple meaning.
The point is in a wedding there is a bride. Without her you have no wedding. So she is not locked out of the wedding feast. There are also bridesmaids. They are servants of the bride. There are also friends of the bridegroom.

It makes no sense that a person can understand being a servant of the Lord, and a friend of the Lord and also the bride and not get that a parable doesn't have to focus on the bride but can focus on the friends of the Lord and the servants of the bride.
 
The point is in a wedding there is a bride. Without her you have no wedding. So she is not locked out of the wedding feast. There are also bridesmaids. They are servants of the bride. There are also friends of the bridegroom.

It makes no sense that a person can understand being a servant of the Lord, and a friend of the Lord and also the bride and not get that a parable doesn't have to focus on the bride but can focus on the friends of the Lord and the servants of the bride.
You skirted it.
Ok, show me friend of the groom.
( which TOTALLY DEPARTS FROM YOUR THEORY, as the supposed "bridesmaids are FRIENDS OF THE BRIDE)

SO, NOW WE HAVE THESE SUPPOSED "FRIENDS OF THE BRIDE", :BRIDESMAIDS", ARE NOW CHANGED into "friends of the groom."

Once we change a component of the parable, the thing gets into several dilemmas.

The COMPONENTS are carefully and Precisely Selected.
The precision of God.
Accurate beyong the human mind.

Since you can not connect the rejection of the carnal believers, virgins now must be changed.

You are attempting to discern the parable using human logic....HUMAN LOGIC ALONE.

That parable is the biggest stumbling block of all the parables.

Tons of believers who jettisoned the CORE MESSAGE.
Which is....." worthy vs unworthy " ...and the worthy ones are indeed found worthy to go to the marriage with their groom.

How in the world does any "friend" fit into the rapture?????
Not a single rapture verse points to some "friend" of the bride, or groom.
There is No epistle with a "friend" dynamic.
" well you have a grey area of believers and friends.
Friends are cast into the LOF.?
HUH?

I JUST SHAKE MY HEAD.

Why change the parable into 10 sentences of blather?
The parable totally falls apart using a "friends" invented theory.
 
The parable absolutely does not work if we change virgins into bridesmaids.
That isn't true.
Because that would have to be a subset of the bride, and a completely different entity.
That entity would be unbelievers.
The parables don't work that way. Jesus can use a bride to represent believers in one parable and bridesmaids to represent the church in another.
 
You skirted it.
Ok, show me friend of the groom.
( which TOTALLY DEPARTS FROM YOUR THEORY, as the supposed "bridesmaids are FRIENDS OF THE BRIDE)

SO, NOW WE HAVE THESE SUPPOSED "FRIENDS OF THE BRIDE", :BRIDESMAIDS", ARE NOW CHANGED into "friends of the groom."

Once we change a component of the parable, the thing gets into several dilemmas.

The COMPONENTS are carefully and Precisely Selected.
The precision of God.
Accurate beyong the human mind.

Since you can not connect the rejection of the carnal believers, virgins now must be changed.

You are attempting to discern the parable using human logic....HUMAN LOGIC ALONE.

That parable is the biggest stumbling block of all the parables.

Tons of believers who jettisoned the CORE MESSAGE.
Which is....." worthy vs unworthy " ...and the worthy ones are indeed found worthy to go to the marriage with their groom.

How in the world does any "friend" fit into the rapture?????
Not a single rapture verse points to some "friend" of the bride, or groom.
There is No epistle with a "friend" dynamic.
" well you have a grey area of believers and friends.
Friends are cast into the LOF.?
HUH?

I JUST SHAKE MY HEAD.

Why change the parable into 10 sentences of blather?
The parable totally falls apart using a "friends" invented theory.
The friends of the bridegroom are the ones who cry out the bridegroom cometh.

Matthew 25:6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

This is a key component of the parable. Now some teach that this cry is from angels. But preaching the gospel that Jesus Christ is the bridegroom and is coming, is an honor reserved for the saints, not for angels.

John the Baptist said that he was a friend of the bridegroom and he came proclaiming that "the bridegroom cometh". Jesus also said that for those who could receive it he was Elijah who was to come when the disciples asked why the scribes say that Elijah must come first. Preaching the gospel to all the nations includes telling them that the Bridegroom cometh. So I am not adding anything here, the cry is made by those preaching the gospel. This cry is what causes people to wake up. Every believer heard this cry when they first turned to the Lord.

But even though everyone in the town would have heard this cry and woken up, Jesus doesn't talk about everyone else, he talks about ten virgins specifically who have torches and all ten had taken those torches to go and meet the bridegroom prior to this call. They had all fallen asleep prior to this call.

This call wakes them up from sleep, not to meet the Lord for the first time, but to light the torches they had already brought. Jesus coming back is part of the gospel that everyone has received. After awhile this gets put on the back burner because you can't stay awake forever waiting for the Lord to return. So this cry is not just the gospel in general but specifically it is the word that Jesus Christ, the Bridegroom, is coming right now, this very night.

When He comes there should be a parade and to have a parade in the night requires we have people carrying torches to light the way. That is what these ten virgins are going to do. All ten had gone out with torches to meet the Lord, they all assumed they would be ready.

But when they light the torches that is when we learn about some bringing oil and some not. The word of God is a lamp unto our feet. But you can read the word without going to the Lord, that is what the Lord rebuked the scribes for doing. Our job is not to simply "teach the word". Anyone can get a sermon or commentary and "teach" about the word of God. No, our job is to get the light from the word, the revelation. In other words, we get the oil that can then be burnt to make light. The five foolish ones thought they could simply quote some teaching from brother so and so. The problem was that those words, those teachings are like oil. You can burn them for light. But at some point that oil runs out and you need a new supply. The word of God is new every day and that is especially true prior to the Day of the Lord. For the five wise virgins their oil supply is the word of God because they can go to the Lord and get a fresh supply of oil at any time. But for the foolish ones they are using last years supply of oil and that has run dry.

For example, consider the foal that Jesus rode into Jerusalem on during Palm Sunday. No man had ever rode this foal before. That is the word that Jesus will ride into Jerusalem on at the end of the church age as well. If you think you can just keep repeating the same old tired teaching that we have had for the last two hundred years you are wrong.

Pastors and preachers are servants whose job is to "light the way" for the Bride of Christ. Yes, for many years a pastor or preacher could simply take a message given to them and preach that. But that was foolish because they weren't going directly to the Lord to get the word, they were simply regurgitating some message they were told to preach. Now when they really need a word from the Lord they don't have one.

So no, "ten virgins" are not changed into Bridesmaids and then into "friends of the groom". The friends of the groom refer to people like Elijah and John the Baptist who are crying out "the bridegroom cometh" while the virgins who are bridesmaids refer to pastors who are caring for the church.
 
The friends of the bridegroom are the ones who cry out the bridegroom cometh.

Matthew 25:6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

This is a key component of the parable. Now some teach that this cry is from angels. But preaching the gospel that Jesus Christ is the bridegroom and is coming, is an honor reserved for the saints, not for angels.

John the Baptist said that he was a friend of the bridegroom and he came proclaiming that "the bridegroom cometh". Jesus also said that for those who could receive it he was Elijah who was to come when the disciples asked why the scribes say that Elijah must come first. Preaching the gospel to all the nations includes telling them that the Bridegroom cometh. So I am not adding anything here, the cry is made by those preaching the gospel. This cry is what causes people to wake up. Every believer heard this cry when they first turned to the Lord.

But even though everyone in the town would have heard this cry and woken up, Jesus doesn't talk about everyone else, he talks about ten virgins specifically who have torches and all ten had taken those torches to go and meet the bridegroom prior to this call. They had all fallen asleep prior to this call.

This call wakes them up from sleep, not to meet the Lord for the first time, but to light the torches they had already brought. Jesus coming back is part of the gospel that everyone has received. After awhile this gets put on the back burner because you can't stay awake forever waiting for the Lord to return. So this cry is not just the gospel in general but specifically it is the word that Jesus Christ, the Bridegroom, is coming right now, this very night.

When He comes there should be a parade and to have a parade in the night requires we have people carrying torches to light the way. That is what these ten virgins are going to do. All ten had gone out with torches to meet the Lord, they all assumed they would be ready.

But when they light the torches that is when we learn about some bringing oil and some not. The word of God is a lamp unto our feet. But you can read the word without going to the Lord, that is what the Lord rebuked the scribes for doing. Our job is not to simply "teach the word". Anyone can get a sermon or commentary and "teach" about the word of God. No, our job is to get the light from the word, the revelation. In other words, we get the oil that can then be burnt to make light. The five foolish ones thought they could simply quote some teaching from brother so and so. The problem was that those words, those teachings are like oil. You can burn them for light. But at some point that oil runs out and you need a new supply. The word of God is new every day and that is especially true prior to the Day of the Lord. For the five wise virgins their oil supply is the word of God because they can go to the Lord and get a fresh supply of oil at any time. But for the foolish ones they are using last years supply of oil and that has run dry.

For example, consider the foal that Jesus rode into Jerusalem on during Palm Sunday. No man had ever rode this foal before. That is the word that Jesus will ride into Jerusalem on at the end of the church age as well. If you think you can just keep repeating the same old tired teaching that we have had for the last two hundred years you are wrong.

Pastors and preachers are servants whose job is to "light the way" for the Bride of Christ. Yes, for many years a pastor or preacher could simply take a message given to them and preach that. But that was foolish because they weren't going directly to the Lord to get the word, they were simply regurgitating some message they were told to preach. Now when they really need a word from the Lord they don't have one.

So no, "ten virgins" are not changed into Bridesmaids and then into "friends of the groom". The friends of the groom refer to people like Elijah and John the Baptist who are crying out "the bridegroom cometh" while the virgins who are bridesmaids refer to pastors who are caring for the church.
The beauty of this parable is that you can't "borrow" this interpretation of the Revelation 12 sign if you are teaching the old teaching about this they don't fit together. The only way is to actually go to the Lord yourself and seek the Lord's light on this.
 
Me neither. We agree. :cool:
To not prepare properly for an event has nothing to do with being faithful or unfaithful. It has a lot to do with being wise or foolish.

The proper way to prepare for the event is not to learn what brother so and so taught, it is to develop a relationship with the Lord so that you can go to the Lord to get a word in season to meet the present need.
 
Ezra 3:1 And when the seventh month was come, and the children of Israel were in the cities, the people gathered themselves together as one man to Jerusalem.

The first day of the seventh month is Rosh Hashanah or Feast of Trumpets

2 Then stood up Jeshua the son of Jozadak, and his brethren the priests, and Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel, and his brethren, and builded the altar of the God of Israel, to offer burnt offerings thereon, as it is written in the law of Moses the man of God.

This was the day that those who returned from captivity built the altar and began again to offer sacrifices.

3 And they set the altar upon his bases; for fear was upon them because of the people of those countries: and they offered burnt offerings thereon unto the Lord, even burnt offerings morning and evening.

This is another convergence with September 11, 2026. I have shared many prophecies concerning the Day of the Lord or the seventieth week, the last seven years beginning on September 11, 2026. This also converges with those prophecies because it indicates that the altar and sacrifices would be started on Rosh Hashanah or Feast of Trumpets.

4 They kept also the feast of tabernacles, as it is written, and offered the daily burnt offerings by number, according to the custom, as the duty of every day required;

In my understanding of the parable of the ten virgins we have had ten virgins from the Revelation 12 sign in 2017 to the Feast of Trumpets in 2026. However, they would be awaken with a midnight cry. According to this account they begin to offer the morning and evening sacrifices on the first day of the month. The sacrifice would be offered at 9:00 AM in the morning. That means the priests would begin to prepare at 6:00 AM, which is 11 PM in NYC. You can imagine within an hour of the priests preparing to sacrifice an animal on the temple mount in Jerusalem NYC and Miami where many, many Jews reside would hear it. That is "midnight". I am saying this event will be the midnight cry in the US, the country with the highest percentage of born again Christians. When the sacrifice is made it would be Midnight mountain time in the US. This would be huge news among Christians across the continental US and I am saying this is the midnight cry depicted in the parable of the ten virgins.

As for "no one knows the day or the hour", as far as I understand that refers to when the rapture is. I am not talking about the rapture. I am saying that the principle is "that which has been is that which shall be". There is a reason why the Jews began the sacrifices after returning from Babylon on Tishrei 1 (Rosh Hashanah which is also the Feast of Trumpets). That is the same day that the Kings of the line of David are all crowned. The first day of the year is the first day of their reign. Jesus Christ is the son of David. So the question is this, if the midnight cry takes place on September 11th, are you ready? Rosh Hashanah begins at sundown on September 11th, the sacrifices would begin the following morning in Jerusalem, but the midnight cry would come at Midnight on September 11th in the US.

This also mentions that they kept the Feast of Tabernacles, that is the wedding feast. This is the feast that the foolish virgins are locked out of and the wise virgins are able to enter into.

The "Closing Gate" (Neilah)
The final, climactic prayer service at the very end of Yom Kippur is called Neilah, which literally translates to "locking" or "closing the gate."
  • The Imagery: Jewish tradition imagines the spiritual gates of Heaven staying wide open throughout the High Holy Days to receive final prayers and repentance. As the sun sets on Yom Kippur, the Neilah service represents the final moments before those gates swing shut and your destiny for the upcoming year is officially sealed in the Book of Life
This is what Jesus refers to when the foolish virgins come to find that the gate has been closed and their fate is sealed. Neilah is the fifth and final prayer service. It is held at sundown on September 21 in Jerusalem.

5 And afterward offered the continual burnt offering, both of the new moons, and of all the set feasts of the Lord that were consecrated, and of every one that willingly offered a freewill offering unto the Lord. 6 From the first day of the seventh month began they to offer burnt offerings unto the Lord. But the foundation of the temple of the Lord was not yet laid.

This is also important, the temple does not need to be built and will not be built prior to the dedication of the altar.
 
To not prepare properly for an event has nothing to do with being faithful or unfaithful. It has a lot to do with being wise or foolish.

The proper way to prepare for the event is not to learn what brother so and so taught, it is to develop a relationship with the Lord so that you can go to the Lord to get a word in season to meet the present need.

Being prepared means having the wisdom to be faithful.
 
Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming?

This was the questions the disciples asked Jesus in Matthew 24 and the parable of the ten virgins continues Jesus' answer to these questions.

25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

There have been many interpretations of this parable. None of them tell you what the midnight cry is going to be which explains why the Lord says we must watch because we don’t know the day or the hour. That is not referring to the day and hour of the Lord’s return or of the rapture. It is referring to the day and hour of the midnight cry. That is the event we are to be ready for. Based on the parable, if you are not ready prior to the Midnight cry it is too late to get ready after it. These interpretations also do not tell us who is making this midnight cry that the bridegroom cometh. Some theorize that it is angels, but that makes no sense. Preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ and His return is an honor reserved for the saints of God. It is reasonable to say that the ones who are crying “the bridegroom cometh” are the friends of the bridegroom. John the Baptist described himself as “a friend of the bridegroom”. We are told in the Bible that Elijah must come first before the Lord comes, and that for those who could receive it John the Baptist was Elijah who is to come. Therefore it would align with scripture to say that the ones crying “the bridegroom cometh” are like John the Baptist and Elijah. Finally, the big question that has caused much debate is who are the ten virgins? Are they believers, unbelievers, or the church? Since the church is the bride and you would not lock the bride out of the wedding feast it does not make sense to say that the ten virgins represent the bride. Nor does it make sense to say that ten virgins represent God’s people who are always denoted with the number 12 (12 tribes, 12 apostles, 12 gates to the New Jerusalem). The parable says that five are foolish. It doesn’t say they are wicked. The Lord tells them “I don’t know you” but He doesn’t say “I never knew you”.

This is a new interpretation that connects the ten virgins to a countdown to the day of the Lord, a celestial sign in the heavens, the Feast of Trumpets, and perhaps the biggest prophecy concerning the end times that is still not fulfilled.

2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.

5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.

This is the single most important point of the parable. Naturally we would want to know what is this midnight cry, but according to the parable you don’t need to worry about that, there will be those crying out to wake everyone up. No one in the parable misses this. You also don’t need to know the day and hour, there will be those who wake you up to let you know. But when you are woken what you need to do is be ready. That means you need to take oil with your lamps. The word of God is a lamp unto my feet. So you need to have oil with your word. Some argue that this means the foolish virgins are not saved. That doesn’t make sense, unbelievers with the word of God who have all gone out to meet the Lord Jesus.

When I was a new Christian I was in a group that followed the ministry of Watchman Nee closely. They would have messages in which ten brothers would take portions of a chapter of a Watchman Nee book and share that. I learned that in that group many of the brothers who wanted to be elders proved their worth by how well they could recite the approved ministry. Some of them were experts at parroting the approved ministry. I had no interest in any of that. I wanted to have my own experiences of the Lord, I wanted to get revelation from the Lord, I knew the approved ministry, I went to all the conferences and trainings, but I wasn’t interested in parroting it. I wanted to testify concerning my own testimony and be a witness to the things I had seen, not what some other brother had seen. I believe those experiences are the oil. Because what did Jesus say to the foolish “I don’t know you”. You are sharing what Chuck Missler shared, I know Chuck, I don’t know you.

6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.

This is a critical verse in understanding the foolish. They assume they can borrow someone else’s oil. That is exactly what I saw brothers do in that church where I first got saved. They were borrowing the oil from Watchman Nee or some other minister of the word to share as their message. To me this confirms my theory. How many think that if they simply study what respected preachers taught on some part of the Bible that this is a “good message” full of “light”. It might be. But it isn’t your experience of the Lord, you are borrowing someone else’s experience. Some people think that this brother was a genuine preacher who taught the truth so if they teach what they taught then they too will be teaching the truth. The problem is this is foolish, yes, you are giving us a good book report from a good teacher of the word, but you yourself did not have this experience. When the Lord Jesus hears you speaking Chuck Missler’s message He is going to say “Chuck I know, but who are you, I don’t know you”.

9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.

Do you realize the Lord has given His Spirit to all of His believers, not just to a few. Not just to Chuck and Watchman Nee. We need the portion that is given to everyone. If you only share what those two brothers had then their might not be enough, you are robbing the body of Christ. We need every member to function in the Body of Christ and we need the portion given to every member.

10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

At this point the Lord has given us multiple references to the Feast of Trumpets. First of all the Feast of Trumpets takes place when the Sun is in Virgo, the virgin in the heavens. The Revelation 12 sign in 2017 took place over the Feast of Trumpets. At that time Virgo was clothed in the sun, the moon was at her feet, she had a crown of 12 stars and Jupiter which had been in her womb for 9 months came out. This sign including Jupiter in the womb for nine months had never taken place in the last two thousand years, it is the first time since John saw this sign that it happened. Second, on the Feast of Trumpets you need two witnesses to see the celestial sign of the new moon indicating a new month, and since it is on Rosh Hashanah a new year. They present their evidence to the Sanhedrin and they will confirm that it is indeed the new moon at which time people will begin to shout and blow trumpets. This happens at night. The Feast of Trumpets is the only Feast in which there is a “midnight cry”. The Revelation sign was on September 23, 2017. Since that date we have had nine Virgins (virgos clothed with the sun) and on September 11, 2026 we will have our tenth virgin. However, Jupiter, which depicts the “manchild” was born on September 23rd, 2017. So on September 23, 2026 Jupiter will be nine years old, however on September 11, 2026 which is the Feast of Trumpets Jupiter will still be eight years old. That is significant because Josiah was a king who was raised to the throne when he was eight. He is a type of the manchild. But that is not “the midnight cry”. Instead I am theorizing that on the Feast of Trumpets in 2026 Israel will dedicate the altar and begin to again offer the morning and evening sacrifice. The type of this was in Ezra, they started on Rosh Hashanah with the morning sacrifice which is 9 AM in Jerusalem. 9 AM in Jerusalem is midnight in the US. That is the biggest event concerning the end days that has still not been fulfilled. When that takes place it will wake up every single sleeping Christian. Are you ready?

11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. 12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

Now this is also a reference to the Feast of Trumpets and Yom Kippur. Feast of Trumpets kicks off the days of awe, ten days leading up to Yom Kippur. Yom Kippur is the day of judgment. You have nine days to repent and get right with the Lord. Then on sundown of the ninth day and the start of Yom Kippur it is called the “closing of the gate”. At that time those who can enter have been sealed and those who can’t have also been sealed. These virgins come when the gate is already closed. Once again, everyone listening to Jesus in the gospel of Matthew knew that this referred to “the closing of the gate” as the day of judgment, Yom Kippur begins. Five days later we have the wedding feast, the Feast of Tabernacles.
 
The parable absolutely does not work if we change virgins into bridesmaids.

Because that would have to be a subset of the bride, and a completely different entity.
That entity would be unbelievers.

You either in Christ or you're not.

So Jesus, in the parable, would be actually coming for unbelievers, and some unbelievers would be worthy, and some unbelievablers would be not worthy, and not ready.
So these worthy unbelievers, (some group of bridesmaids that are not the bride), are taken to heaven into the bridal chamber and the door was shut.

we have now departed from the parable.

only 2 bibles translate the virgins into "bridesmaids".
The Greek is virgins.
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[Jhn 3:29 KJV] 29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
 
Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming?

This was the questions the disciples asked Jesus in Matthew 24 and the parable of the ten virgins continues Jesus' answer to these questions.
Despite coming from different theological frameworks—particularly in the case of A.W. Pink—they universally agree that the "taken" in the Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24:40-41) and the "gathered" tares in Matthew 13 refer to the exact same eschatological event: the taking away of the wicked for judgment.

They all vigorously reject the popular evangelical interpretation that Matthew 24's "one taken, one left" refers to the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church. Instead, they tie Matthew 24 directly back to the parables of Matthew 13.
Here is how each scholar arrives at this conclusion:


1. Arnold Fruchtenbaum
Fruchtenbaum explicitly links the Dragnet and the Wheat and Tares to the Olivet Discourse. In his dispensational framework, this gathering happens at the end of the seven-year Tribulation (the Second Advent), right before the establishment of the Messianic Millennial Kingdom.
* The Exegesis: Fruchtenbaum points out that in the days of Noah, the ones who were "taken" were the wicked who drowned in the flood. Noah and his family were the ones "left" behind to inherit a cleansed earth.
* The Application: Therefore, the one "taken" in the field is the unbeliever who is gathered by the angels and cast into the fire (the tares). The one "left" in the field is the surviving Tribulation believer (the wheat) who is left alive to enter the physical Millennial Kingdom in their natural bodies.
2. John Walvoord
As a premier classical dispensationalist, Walvoord dedicated significant ink in his commentary Matthew: Thy Kingdom Come to correcting the "Rapture" misconception of Matthew 24.
* The Exegesis: Walvoord argues strictly from the immediate context of Matthew 24:39, where the flood "took them all away." He states that standard hermeneutics demands the "taking" in verses 40-41 must be of the same nature as the "taking" in verse 39.
* The Application: Walvoord teaches that at the Second Coming, angels will purge the earth of rebels. He directly connects this event to the Judgment of the Nations (the Sheep and the Goats in Matthew 25) and the harvest parables of Matthew 13. The wicked are taken to judgment; the righteous are left to populate the Millennium.
3. R.B. Thieme Jr.
Thieme, known for his highly structured and categorical dispensational vocabulary, taught this exact concatenation under what he termed the "Baptism of Fire."
* The Exegesis: Thieme taught that just as John the Baptist promised that the Messiah would baptize with the Holy Spirit (fulfilled at Pentecost) and with "fire," this fire refers exclusively to the judgment of unbelievers at the Second Advent.
* The Application: Thieme directly aligned Matthew 13's tares being bound for the fire with Matthew 24's "taken." In Thieme's system, at the end of the Tribulation, all living unbelievers are summarily executed and removed from the earth (the Baptism of Fire), leaving only believers alive to begin the Millennial reign of Christ.
4. A.W. Pink
Pink is the outlier in this group, as he was a Reformed Calvinist, not a dispensationalist. Yet, his rigorous adherence to textual exposition brought him to the exact same conclusion regarding this specific textual link.
* The Exegesis: In his Exposition of the Gospel of Matthew, Pink mocks the "rapture" interpretation of this passage as a violation of basic reading comprehension. He points out that the word "took" in verse 39 (airō) and "taken" in verse 40 (paralambanō) carry the thematic weight of divine wrath sweeping people away.
* The Application: Pink wrote that it is a profound error to make the "taken" the saints. He parallels it precisely with Matthew 13: the angels sever the wicked from the just. For Pink, the one "taken" is seized by divine judgment, and the one "left" is the one who has found grace in the eyes of the Lord, exactly like Noah.
Summary of Their Consensus
All four men utilize the exact same hermeneutical key to unlock the Olivet Discourse: The Analogy of Noah. Because the flood took the wicked, the angels at the Second Coming will take the wicked. Consequently, the sequence of Matthew 13 is perfectly maintained in Matthew 24: the tares/wicked are gathered out of the kingdom first, and the wheat/righteous are left in the barn/earth to enjoy the kingdom.
 
Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming?

This was the questions the disciples asked Jesus in Matthew 24 and the parable of the ten virgins continues Jesus' answer to these questions.

25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

There have been many interpretations of this parable. None of them tell you what the midnight cry is going to be which explains why the Lord says we must watch because we don’t know the day or the hour. That is not referring to the day and hour of the Lord’s return or of the rapture. It is referring to the day and hour of the midnight cry. That is the event we are to be ready for. Based on the parable, if you are not ready prior to the Midnight cry it is too late to get ready after it. These interpretations also do not tell us who is making this midnight cry that the bridegroom cometh. Some theorize that it is angels, but that makes no sense. Preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ and His return is an honor reserved for the saints of God. It is reasonable to say that the ones who are crying “the bridegroom cometh” are the friends of the bridegroom. John the Baptist described himself as “a friend of the bridegroom”. We are told in the Bible that Elijah must come first before the Lord comes, and that for those who could receive it John the Baptist was Elijah who is to come. Therefore it would align with scripture to say that the ones crying “the bridegroom cometh” are like John the Baptist and Elijah. Finally, the big question that has caused much debate is who are the ten virgins? Are they believers, unbelievers, or the church? Since the church is the bride and you would not lock the bride out of the wedding feast it does not make sense to say that the ten virgins represent the bride. Nor does it make sense to say that ten virgins represent God’s people who are always denoted with the number 12 (12 tribes, 12 apostles, 12 gates to the New Jerusalem). The parable says that five are foolish. It doesn’t say they are wicked. The Lord tells them “I don’t know you” but He doesn’t say “I never knew you”.

This is a new interpretation that connects the ten virgins to a countdown to the day of the Lord, a celestial sign in the heavens, the Feast of Trumpets, and perhaps the biggest prophecy concerning the end times that is still not fulfilled.

2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.

5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.

This is the single most important point of the parable. Naturally we would want to know what is this midnight cry, but according to the parable you don’t need to worry about that, there will be those crying out to wake everyone up. No one in the parable misses this. You also don’t need to know the day and hour, there will be those who wake you up to let you know. But when you are woken what you need to do is be ready. That means you need to take oil with your lamps. The word of God is a lamp unto my feet. So you need to have oil with your word. Some argue that this means the foolish virgins are not saved. That doesn’t make sense, unbelievers with the word of God who have all gone out to meet the Lord Jesus.

When I was a new Christian I was in a group that followed the ministry of Watchman Nee closely. They would have messages in which ten brothers would take portions of a chapter of a Watchman Nee book and share that. I learned that in that group many of the brothers who wanted to be elders proved their worth by how well they could recite the approved ministry. Some of them were experts at parroting the approved ministry. I had no interest in any of that. I wanted to have my own experiences of the Lord, I wanted to get revelation from the Lord, I knew the approved ministry, I went to all the conferences and trainings, but I wasn’t interested in parroting it. I wanted to testify concerning my own testimony and be a witness to the things I had seen, not what some other brother had seen. I believe those experiences are the oil. Because what did Jesus say to the foolish “I don’t know you”. You are sharing what Chuck Missler shared, I know Chuck, I don’t know you.

6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.

This is a critical verse in understanding the foolish. They assume they can borrow someone else’s oil. That is exactly what I saw brothers do in that church where I first got saved. They were borrowing the oil from Watchman Nee or some other minister of the word to share as their message. To me this confirms my theory. How many think that if they simply study what respected preachers taught on some part of the Bible that this is a “good message” full of “light”. It might be. But it isn’t your experience of the Lord, you are borrowing someone else’s experience. Some people think that this brother was a genuine preacher who taught the truth so if they teach what they taught then they too will be teaching the truth. The problem is this is foolish, yes, you are giving us a good book report from a good teacher of the word, but you yourself did not have this experience. When the Lord Jesus hears you speaking Chuck Missler’s message He is going to say “Chuck I know, but who are you, I don’t know you”.

9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.

Do you realize the Lord has given His Spirit to all of His believers, not just to a few. Not just to Chuck and Watchman Nee. We need the portion that is given to everyone. If you only share what those two brothers had then their might not be enough, you are robbing the body of Christ. We need every member to function in the Body of Christ and we need the portion given to every member.

10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

At this point the Lord has given us multiple references to the Feast of Trumpets. First of all the Feast of Trumpets takes place when the Sun is in Virgo, the virgin in the heavens. The Revelation 12 sign in 2017 took place over the Feast of Trumpets. At that time Virgo was clothed in the sun, the moon was at her feet, she had a crown of 12 stars and Jupiter which had been in her womb for 9 months came out. This sign including Jupiter in the womb for nine months had never taken place in the last two thousand years, it is the first time since John saw this sign that it happened. Second, on the Feast of Trumpets you need two witnesses to see the celestial sign of the new moon indicating a new month, and since it is on Rosh Hashanah a new year. They present their evidence to the Sanhedrin and they will confirm that it is indeed the new moon at which time people will begin to shout and blow trumpets. This happens at night. The Feast of Trumpets is the only Feast in which there is a “midnight cry”. The Revelation sign was on September 23, 2017. Since that date we have had nine Virgins (virgos clothed with the sun) and on September 11, 2026 we will have our tenth virgin. However, Jupiter, which depicts the “manchild” was born on September 23rd, 2017. So on September 23, 2026 Jupiter will be nine years old, however on September 11, 2026 which is the Feast of Trumpets Jupiter will still be eight years old. That is significant because Josiah was a king who was raised to the throne when he was eight. He is a type of the manchild. But that is not “the midnight cry”. Instead I am theorizing that on the Feast of Trumpets in 2026 Israel will dedicate the altar and begin to again offer the morning and evening sacrifice. The type of this was in Ezra, they started on Rosh Hashanah with the morning sacrifice which is 9 AM in Jerusalem. 9 AM in Jerusalem is midnight in the US. That is the biggest event concerning the end days that has still not been fulfilled. When that takes place it will wake up every single sleeping Christian. Are you ready?
"Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming?

This was the questions the disciples asked Jesus in Matthew 24 and the parable of the ten virgins continues Jesus' answer to these questions."

Here let me help you:
The Olivet discourse pertaining to the inquiries of the disciples ended in Matt 24:44.

The rest of the chapter and chapter 25 are KINGDOM PARABLES.

And BTW, your theory regarding some supposed Revelation 12 sign in 2017 has been utterly debunked already several times.
 
Despite coming from different theological frameworks—particularly in the case of A.W. Pink—they universally agree that the "taken" in the Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24:40-41) and the "gathered" tares in Matthew 13 refer to the exact same eschatological event: the taking away of the wicked for judgment.

They all vigorously reject the popular evangelical interpretation that Matthew 24's "one taken, one left" refers to the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church. Instead, they tie Matthew 24 directly back to the parables of Matthew 13.
Here is how each scholar arrives at this conclusion:


1. Arnold Fruchtenbaum
Fruchtenbaum explicitly links the Dragnet and the Wheat and Tares to the Olivet Discourse. In his dispensational framework, this gathering happens at the end of the seven-year Tribulation (the Second Advent), right before the establishment of the Messianic Millennial Kingdom.
* The Exegesis: Fruchtenbaum points out that in the days of Noah, the ones who were "taken" were the wicked who drowned in the flood. Noah and his family were the ones "left" behind to inherit a cleansed earth.
* The Application: Therefore, the one "taken" in the field is the unbeliever who is gathered by the angels and cast into the fire (the tares). The one "left" in the field is the surviving Tribulation believer (the wheat) who is left alive to enter the physical Millennial Kingdom in their natural bodies.
2. John Walvoord
As a premier classical dispensationalist, Walvoord dedicated significant ink in his commentary Matthew: Thy Kingdom Come to correcting the "Rapture" misconception of Matthew 24.
* The Exegesis: Walvoord argues strictly from the immediate context of Matthew 24:39, where the flood "took them all away." He states that standard hermeneutics demands the "taking" in verses 40-41 must be of the same nature as the "taking" in verse 39.
* The Application: Walvoord teaches that at the Second Coming, angels will purge the earth of rebels. He directly connects this event to the Judgment of the Nations (the Sheep and the Goats in Matthew 25) and the harvest parables of Matthew 13. The wicked are taken to judgment; the righteous are left to populate the Millennium.
3. R.B. Thieme Jr.
Thieme, known for his highly structured and categorical dispensational vocabulary, taught this exact concatenation under what he termed the "Baptism of Fire."
* The Exegesis: Thieme taught that just as John the Baptist promised that the Messiah would baptize with the Holy Spirit (fulfilled at Pentecost) and with "fire," this fire refers exclusively to the judgment of unbelievers at the Second Advent.
* The Application: Thieme directly aligned Matthew 13's tares being bound for the fire with Matthew 24's "taken." In Thieme's system, at the end of the Tribulation, all living unbelievers are summarily executed and removed from the earth (the Baptism of Fire), leaving only believers alive to begin the Millennial reign of Christ.
4. A.W. Pink
Pink is the outlier in this group, as he was a Reformed Calvinist, not a dispensationalist. Yet, his rigorous adherence to textual exposition brought him to the exact same conclusion regarding this specific textual link.
* The Exegesis: In his Exposition of the Gospel of Matthew, Pink mocks the "rapture" interpretation of this passage as a violation of basic reading comprehension. He points out that the word "took" in verse 39 (airō) and "taken" in verse 40 (paralambanō) carry the thematic weight of divine wrath sweeping people away.
* The Application: Pink wrote that it is a profound error to make the "taken" the saints. He parallels it precisely with Matthew 13: the angels sever the wicked from the just. For Pink, the one "taken" is seized by divine judgment, and the one "left" is the one who has found grace in the eyes of the Lord, exactly like Noah.
Summary of Their Consensus
All four men utilize the exact same hermeneutical key to unlock the Olivet Discourse: The Analogy of Noah. Because the flood took the wicked, the angels at the Second Coming will take the wicked. Consequently, the sequence of Matthew 13 is perfectly maintained in Matthew 24: the tares/wicked are gathered out of the kingdom first, and the wheat/righteous are left in the barn/earth to enjoy the kingdom.
I agree too. But to think that judgement is so simple, there are two categories of humans: wheat and tares is naive. Especially since this parable has given us two different categories: wise and foolish.

Is it possible for a father to have two children, one is wise and the other foolish?
 
Despite coming from different theological frameworks—particularly in the case of A.W. Pink—they universally agree that the "taken" in the Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24:40-41) and the "gathered" tares in Matthew 13 refer to the exact same eschatological event: the taking away of the wicked for judgment.

They all vigorously reject the popular evangelical interpretation that Matthew 24's "one taken, one left" refers to the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church. Instead, they tie Matthew 24 directly back to the parables of Matthew 13.
Here is how each scholar arrives at this conclusion:


1. Arnold Fruchtenbaum
Fruchtenbaum explicitly links the Dragnet and the Wheat and Tares to the Olivet Discourse. In his dispensational framework, this gathering happens at the end of the seven-year Tribulation (the Second Advent), right before the establishment of the Messianic Millennial Kingdom.
* The Exegesis: Fruchtenbaum points out that in the days of Noah, the ones who were "taken" were the wicked who drowned in the flood. Noah and his family were the ones "left" behind to inherit a cleansed earth.
* The Application: Therefore, the one "taken" in the field is the unbeliever who is gathered by the angels and cast into the fire (the tares). The one "left" in the field is the surviving Tribulation believer (the wheat) who is left alive to enter the physical Millennial Kingdom in their natural bodies.
2. John Walvoord
As a premier classical dispensationalist, Walvoord dedicated significant ink in his commentary Matthew: Thy Kingdom Come to correcting the "Rapture" misconception of Matthew 24.
* The Exegesis: Walvoord argues strictly from the immediate context of Matthew 24:39, where the flood "took them all away." He states that standard hermeneutics demands the "taking" in verses 40-41 must be of the same nature as the "taking" in verse 39.
* The Application: Walvoord teaches that at the Second Coming, angels will purge the earth of rebels. He directly connects this event to the Judgment of the Nations (the Sheep and the Goats in Matthew 25) and the harvest parables of Matthew 13. The wicked are taken to judgment; the righteous are left to populate the Millennium.
3. R.B. Thieme Jr.
Thieme, known for his highly structured and categorical dispensational vocabulary, taught this exact concatenation under what he termed the "Baptism of Fire."
* The Exegesis: Thieme taught that just as John the Baptist promised that the Messiah would baptize with the Holy Spirit (fulfilled at Pentecost) and with "fire," this fire refers exclusively to the judgment of unbelievers at the Second Advent.
* The Application: Thieme directly aligned Matthew 13's tares being bound for the fire with Matthew 24's "taken." In Thieme's system, at the end of the Tribulation, all living unbelievers are summarily executed and removed from the earth (the Baptism of Fire), leaving only believers alive to begin the Millennial reign of Christ.
4. A.W. Pink
Pink is the outlier in this group, as he was a Reformed Calvinist, not a dispensationalist. Yet, his rigorous adherence to textual exposition brought him to the exact same conclusion regarding this specific textual link.
* The Exegesis: In his Exposition of the Gospel of Matthew, Pink mocks the "rapture" interpretation of this passage as a violation of basic reading comprehension. He points out that the word "took" in verse 39 (airō) and "taken" in verse 40 (paralambanō) carry the thematic weight of divine wrath sweeping people away.
* The Application: Pink wrote that it is a profound error to make the "taken" the saints. He parallels it precisely with Matthew 13: the angels sever the wicked from the just. For Pink, the one "taken" is seized by divine judgment, and the one "left" is the one who has found grace in the eyes of the Lord, exactly like Noah.
Summary of Their Consensus
All four men utilize the exact same hermeneutical key to unlock the Olivet Discourse: The Analogy of Noah. Because the flood took the wicked, the angels at the Second Coming will take the wicked. Consequently, the sequence of Matthew 13 is perfectly maintained in Matthew 24: the tares/wicked are gathered out of the kingdom first, and the wheat/righteous are left in the barn/earth to enjoy the kingdom.
In my opinion, it refers to the rapture of the church. The analysis you describe assumes that Jesus is talking about a single event. But what if he is talking about two events?
 
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In my opinion, it refers to the rapture of the church. The analysis you describe assumes that Jesus is talking about a single event. But what if he is talking about two events?
No sir, definitely not the harpazo. Obviously.
 
Here let me help you ....

[Jhn 3:29 KJV] 29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
That passage is DIFFERENTIATING between JTB and Jesus.

It is JTB speaking.
He CALLS JESUS THE BRIDEGROOM, AND HIS FOLLOWERS THE BRIDE.
He calls himself THE FRIEND OF THE BRIDEGROOM.

Indicating WHO the bride is, and WHO the friend is.

So you are comparing JTB to the 10 virgins.
Way way way off.

Let me help you.
Read carefully the verses you center on.
Your attempts at defending that "bridesmaids" ..."friend of the bride" non biblical dynamic, is getting embarrassing.

Hope that helps you.