The Real Antichrist For The End

[cv5]

Davy, the beast (king) and the false prophet are two humans, two Jews.

Indeed they are.

Their predecessor "types" (Goliath, Nebuchadnezzar, Absalom, Judas etc) were also men.
And Goliath (Gol of Gath the Nephilim) was literally a "Satan-man", as was Judas, also a "Satan-man".

People fail to understand that the final form of the "Satan-man", who will possess vast Satanic power and authority, is the wicked COUNTERPART to the God-Man Jesus Christ. And this resurrected man (from his deadly head wound) arrives JUST BEFORE the God-Man arrives at the Second Coming.

Why?

Because God is allowing a FINAL CHOICE for men upon the earth.
Only those who make FREE WILL DECISION to believe and receive God are saved.
Those who make the FREE WILL DECISION to receive the Satan-man and his mark are condemned and damned to the lake of fire.

So yes, you have the soon coming of the God-Man (a man), preceded by His evil counterpart, the Satan-man (also a man).
Which proves that the AC beast is a man.

But don't forget, the beast is also a system and kingdom as well. That is a different topic.

 

[douggg]

I don‘t believe he is Jewish in descent. He is Catholic and has talked with the pope (which ties in with Revelation 17-18). What verses do you believe teach that the AC must be Jewish? Do you know of whom I speak of?

Note: You don’t have to say his name. I actually prefer you don’t..

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No, I don't know who the person in California is that you are referring to. Is he a religious, political, or well known figure ?

That the person has to be a Jew is that as the Antichrist, he will be anointed the King of Israel, thought to be messiah by the Jews. "Anti" the prefix meaning against and instead of - Christ, Jesus the rightful King of Israel.

John 4:25, "Christ" is the coming Jewish messiah.

John 12:13, the King of Israel

Mark 15:32, Christ the King of Israel

Matthew 27:42, the King of Israel

Also, in Daniel 11:36-37, after he has entered his beast-king stage, claiming to be God, it says he has no regard for "the God of his fathers", a term for the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

 

[douggg]

I don‘t believe he is Jewish in descent.

Although the person will be a Jew , some where in his ancestry blood line he must be descended from the Julio-Claudians to fulfill Revelation 17:10-11.

 

[WilliamL]

And all false doctrines deny teh singular AC is one way or another. Some say he came in the past, some say the church will be gone before the AC comes, and some simply deny a singular Ac will exist. Ac denial is shared by all false doctrines of the endtimes.

What I was trying to reveal to you was that 'some men' that push the false idea that there is no singular antichrist are those working for the devil to help prepare the world for his future one-world government kingdom at the end of this world, even though some of them helping in that may be deceived by Satan's servants. That is not utter nonsense, as God's Word warns of a coming Antichrist figure and it's not a pope nor any flesh man.

And I will simply conclude with saying that you both, over time, will be proven wrong, Scripture says that the Son of Perdition will be destroyed at the Parousia of Christ and His resurrection of the dead. 2 Thes. 2:8; also Daniel 11:45 - 12:3 Scripture also clearly reveals that the Beast, the Mouth of the Beast = the Little Horn, and the False Prophet all ascend to world-ruling power AFTER Christ's Parousia to take up his elect in the Rapture. So says the Word, and so it will be.

 

[MeowFlower]

For those in a hurry for the answer, the coming Antichrist will be the devil himself, appearing in OUR earthly dimension with the image of 'man'.

That means Satan is coming in full view, upon this earth, with that image of man. He won't have to hide behind some human working for him. He will appear in person. If you don't believe that possible, then it shows you don't believe the two angels of Genesis 19 actually appeared to Lot with the image of man (also see Hebrews 13:2).


1. Bible Scripture actually reveals that Satan himself is who is coming to our earthly dimension at the end of this world. The children of darkness and those deceived of course preach against this.

Rev 12:7
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
KJV

Revelation 12:7-17 -- preachers who don't really understand about that war in Heaven between Archangel Michael and Satan fall into the deception trap created by Satan's host that wrongly teach that war in Heaven was about Satan's original rebellion long, long ago. If you haven't read that Scripture for yourself and instead are gullible enough to believe those false preachers, then you don't belong here with God's Truth in His Word being shown to you. That war in Heaven is still a future event set for the end of this world when Satan and his angels will be booted out of the heavenly dimension, and instead into our earthly dimension, upon this earth, which will likely create the start of the "great tribulation" at the end of this world.


Rev 11:7
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
KJV

2. There's two separate beasts taught in Rev.13. The first beast of Rev.13:1 is about a kingdom beast of ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns. But the second beast is the "another beast" of Rev.13:11, linked to the "dragon", which is another title for Satan. Men's doctrines try to get you to believe that "another beast" is about a different person called the false prophet mentioned in Rev.16:13, when in reality it is about the "dragon", another title for Satan per Rev.12:9. In the above Rev.11:7 verse, that "beast" that ascends up out of the bottomless pit is that "another beast" of Rev.13:11, that speaks as a "dragon", because it will be the "dragon" (Satan).


Rev 9:11
11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
KJV

3. That is about the angel that is over (reigns over) the bottomless pit as king. Satan is the ruler over the bottomless pit, and he is an angel, which is a term used for those in the heavenly dimension. Those names "Abaddon" and "Apollyon" mean 'the Destroyer', another one of Satan's titles used for him in The Old Testament. And the name "Apollyon" is from the Greek root word apollumi that means 'perdition', and points to Satan already having been sentenced to perish in the future "lake of fire". This last point about his title of "Apollyon" is especially a direct pointer to Satan, because only Satan and his angels so far have already been judged and sentenced to perdition into the future "lake of fire". No flesh born man has been judged to perish yet, for that won't happen until after Jesus' future "thousand years" reign of Rev.20.

Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
KJV

Rev 17:10-11
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
KJV

4. The above Rev.17:8 verse reveals that same beast of Rev.11:7 that will ascend up out of the bottomless pit to kill God's two witnesses during the coming great tribulation. It will be Satan himself, as that is who is already judged and sentenced to that "perdition" in the future "lake of fire". That verse also reveals that when the world does see him (Satan) appear on earth, those whose names are not written in the book of life will "wonder" at him when they see him. Other Scripture like 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 shows he will exalt himself as GOD, and thus many will be fooled thinking he is God.

The above Rev.17:10-11 Scripture further reveals that "beast" will be a king, the 7th one still yet to come, which will be for the end of this present world. It also reveals he will be the 8th king that goes into perdition (into the "lake of fire", another reference to Satan having already been judged and sentenced to perdition). Satan being that 8th king points to his final rebellion with being loosed out of his pit prison after Christ's future "thousand years" reign, to go and tempt the unsaved nations one last time (Rev.20).

(Continued...)

I thought to share this. A friend years ago suggested the antichrist and all descriptions that apply is contemporary Christianity,including Roman Catholicism. And mans part in that includes their collaboration in cobbling together the closed cannon of what they labeled God's word as they sought to form a narrative of their own making in order to control the people of the world with it.
Which then unfolded as the crusades. I E. Convert or die.

 

[cv5]

And I will simply conclude with saying that you both, over time, will be proven wrong, Scripture says that the Son of Perdition will be destroyed at the Parousia of Christ and His resurrection of the dead. 2 Thes. 2:8; also Daniel 11:45 - 12:3 Scripture also clearly reveals that the Beast, the Mouth of the Beast = the Little Horn, and the False Prophet all ascend to world-ruling power AFTER Christ's Parousia to take up his elect in the Rapture. So says the Word, and so it will be.

Wholeheartedly agree.

 

[ewq1938]

Where is your Scripture proof that the "false prophet" of Rev.16 & 19 is a flesh-born human?

He is called a man so it is your burden to offer proof that he is not a man.

You obviously do not have the same Bible that I have (a KJV), for there is nowhere written in it that 'any' flesh-born man is judged to perish in the future lake of fire prior... to the time of Revelation 20:12-15 after Christ's future "thousand years" reign.

There is nothing in the bible that supports your belief that no man can be sent to the LOF before the Rev 20 GWTJ. This is purely imaginary by yourself and whatever denomination you might have learned this from.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Scripture also clearly reveals that the Beast, the Mouth of the Beast = the Little Horn, and the False Prophet all ascend to world-ruling power AFTER Christ's Parousia to take up his elect in the Rapture. So says the Word, and so it will be.

Nah not going to happen. Nobody leaves earth, except through death, until the 7th trumpet resurrection and return of Christ

 

[ewq1938]

Also, in Daniel 11:36-37, after he has entered his beast-king stage, claiming to be God, it says he has no regard for "the God of his fathers", a term for the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

It doesn't say those fathers were Abraham, Isaac and Jacob though. He could be Chinese and his fathers all Chinese. It does not identify who his fathers were.

 

[ewq1938]

And I will simply conclude with saying that you both, over time, will be proven wrong, Scripture says that the Son of Perdition will be destroyed at the Parousia of Christ

Rev 19-20 proves that theory to be wrong. Satan is imprisoned at the second coming, not destroyed.

 

[cv5]

I'm wondering... How are you saying that Satan (and his angels) will be booted out of heaven unto the earth (which is at the commencement of the "GREAT tribulation [/SECOND HALF]"), while ALSO being the beast "that ascends from the bottomless pit" AT THE SAME TIME? (see Rev9:1 and context--"5th Trumpet / 1st WOE unto the earth").

This idea of yours puzzles me. I can't fathom how you're thinking "SATAN" will come from BOTH "heaven" and "the bottomless pit" at the same time. Makes zero sense. lol

[Rev9:1 "... fifth angel sounded... I saw a star FALL from heaven unto the earth..." (see rest of CONTEXT)]

Perhaps think in terms of "nephilim"......a "Satan-man".
A merging of a man with Satan so to speak.

 

[DRobinson]

No, I don't know who the person in California is that you are referring to. Is he a religious, political, or well known figure ?

That the person has to be a Jew is that as the Antichrist, he will be anointed the King of Israel, thought to be messiah by the Jews. "Anti" the prefix meaning against and instead of - Christ, Jesus the rightful King of Israel.

John 4:25, "Christ" is the coming Jewish messiah.

John 12:13, the King of Israel

Mark 15:32, Christ the King of Israel

Matthew 27:42, the King of Israel

Also, in Daniel 11:36-37, after he has entered his beast-king stage, claiming to be God, it says he has no regard for "the God of his fathers", a term for the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

What verse do you base your statement that the Antichrist "will be anointed king of Israel" on?

 

[cv5]

What verse do you base your statement that the Antichrist "will be anointed king of Israel" on?

What is your opinion regarding these passages?

Jhn 5:43 - I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Zec 11:16 - For, lo, I will raise up a shepherd in the land, which shall not visit those that be cut off, neither shall seek the young one, nor heal that that is broken, nor feed that that standeth still: but he shall eat the flesh of the fat, and tear their claws in pieces.

Zec 11:17 - Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.

 

[Inquisitor]

For those in a hurry for the answer, the coming Antichrist will be the devil himself, appearing in OUR earthly dimension with the image of 'man'.

That means Satan is coming in full view, upon this earth, with that image of man. He won't have to hide behind some human working for him. He will appear in person. If you don't believe that possible, then it shows you don't believe the two angels of Genesis 19 actually appeared to Lot with the image of man (also see Hebrews 13:2).


1. Bible Scripture actually reveals that Satan himself is who is coming to our earthly dimension at the end of this world. The children of darkness and those deceived of course preach against this.

Rev 12:7
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
KJV

Revelation 12:7-17 -- preachers who don't really understand about that war in Heaven between Archangel Michael and Satan fall into the deception trap created by Satan's host that wrongly teach that war in Heaven was about Satan's original rebellion long, long ago. If you haven't read that Scripture for yourself and instead are gullible enough to believe those false preachers, then you don't belong here with God's Truth in His Word being shown to you. That war in Heaven is still a future event set for the end of this world when Satan and his angels will be booted out of the heavenly dimension, and instead into our earthly dimension, upon this earth, which will likely create the start of the "great tribulation" at the end of this world.


Rev 11:7
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
KJV

2. There's two separate beasts taught in Rev.13. The first beast of Rev.13:1 is about a kingdom beast of ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns. But the second beast is the "another beast" of Rev.13:11, linked to the "dragon", which is another title for Satan. Men's doctrines try to get you to believe that "another beast" is about a different person called the false prophet mentioned in Rev.16:13, when in reality it is about the "dragon", another title for Satan per Rev.12:9. In the above Rev.11:7 verse, that "beast" that ascends up out of the bottomless pit is that "another beast" of Rev.13:11, that speaks as a "dragon", because it will be the "dragon" (Satan).


Rev 9:11
11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
KJV

3. That is about the angel that is over (reigns over) the bottomless pit as king. Satan is the ruler over the bottomless pit, and he is an angel, which is a term used for those in the heavenly dimension. Those names "Abaddon" and "Apollyon" mean 'the Destroyer', another one of Satan's titles used for him in The Old Testament. And the name "Apollyon" is from the Greek root word apollumi that means 'perdition', and points to Satan already having been sentenced to perish in the future "lake of fire". This last point about his title of "Apollyon" is especially a direct pointer to Satan, because only Satan and his angels so far have already been judged and sentenced to perdition into the future "lake of fire". No flesh born man has been judged to perish yet, for that won't happen until after Jesus' future "thousand years" reign of Rev.20.

Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
KJV

Rev 17:10-11
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
KJV

4. The above Rev.17:8 verse reveals that same beast of Rev.11:7 that will ascend up out of the bottomless pit to kill God's two witnesses during the coming great tribulation. It will be Satan himself, as that is who is already judged and sentenced to that "perdition" in the future "lake of fire". That verse also reveals that when the world does see him (Satan) appear on earth, those whose names are not written in the book of life will "wonder" at him when they see him. Other Scripture like 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 shows he will exalt himself as GOD, and thus many will be fooled thinking he is God.

The above Rev.17:10-11 Scripture further reveals that "beast" will be a king, the 7th one still yet to come, which will be for the end of this present world. It also reveals he will be the 8th king that goes into perdition (into the "lake of fire", another reference to Satan having already been judged and sentenced to perdition). Satan being that 8th king points to his final rebellion with being loosed out of his pit prison after Christ's future "thousand years" reign, to go and tempt the unsaved nations one last time (Rev.20).

(Continued...)

I thought there was the Dragon, the first beast from the sea, and the second beast from the earth?

A trinity of evil?

 

[DavyP]

I thought to share this. A friend years ago suggested the antichrist and all descriptions that apply is contemporary Christianity,including Roman Catholicism. And mans part in that includes their collaboration in cobbling together the closed cannon of what they labeled God's word as they sought to form a narrative of their own making in order to control the people of the world with it.
Which then unfolded as the crusades. I E. Convert or die.

That would suggest that much of The Bible was not divinely inspired by God through His prophets and Apostles.

Some Church denominations still hold to the old Protestant Reformation doctrine of a Catholic pope as the Antichrist. They try to claim Apostle Paul's "temple of God" in 2 Thessalonians 2 means Christ's Church when Paul was actually pointing to a Jewish stone temple built in Jerusalem for the end when that "man of sin" shows up to sit in it and play God. Paul was simple repeating Christ's warning about a coming pseudo-Christ (false Messiah) during the "great tribulation" that will work great signs and wonders that would deceive even Christ's very elect (Matthew 24:15-26).

 

[DavyP]

I thought there was the Dragon, the first beast from the sea, and the second beast from the earth?

A trinity of evil?

Per Revelation 12:9 and 20:2, the title "dragon" is another one of Satan's names.

The 1st beast mentioned in Rev.13:1 is a system over the whole earth, a kingdom beast having ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns. Jesus showed in Revelation 17:15 that the "waters" represent peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues.

The 2nd beast mentioned in Rev.13:11 forward is the "another beast" that speaks as a "dragon"; a specific entity, the Antichrist of 1 John 2:18, the pseudo-Christ of Matthew 24:23-26, the "man of sin" of 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4, the "vile person" of Daniel 11, the "little horn" of Daniel 7 & 8.

The actual... trinity of evil represented in Revelation with the "dragon" is a speculation from men suggested from Rev.16:13-14 about the "dragon", "beast", and "false prophet." Men's speculation tries to apply the "another beast" of Rev.13:11 to be the "false prophet" when that is not written.

I find many brethren are confused about the symbol of the "beast" given in Revelation. That word is simply used to represent the devil and his workers that work against The Father and His Son and whatever belongs to God. In Rev.13 & 17 the word "beast" is used for both the idea of a world kingdom, and a king that will sit over it. It is also a word used for the devil himself AND... his original beast kingdom of old when he first rebelled in coveting God's Throne for himself (Revelation 12:3-4). That was prior to the time of Adam. So really, the 'beast' symbol goes all the way back in history to when Lucifer first rebelled and fell.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

What is your opinion regarding these passages?

Jhn 5:43 - I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Zec 11:16 - For, lo, I will raise up a shepherd in the land, which shall not visit those that be cut off, neither shall seek the young one, nor heal that that is broken, nor feed that that standeth still: but he shall eat the flesh of the fat, and tear their claws in pieces.

Zec 11:17 - Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.

The first has universal application to everyone. Anyone receiving praise from other men in order to make a name for themselves is walking in the spirit of ungodliness.

 

[DavyP]

He is called a man so it is your burden to offer proof that he is not a man.

Funny. The burden of proof is on you, not me, because you are using such a false idea that suggests the word 'man' is always associated with a flesh body, which is NOT an idea written in God's Word.

There is nothing in the bible that supports your belief that no man can be sent to the LOF before the Rev 20 GWTJ. This is purely imaginary by yourself and whatever denomination you might have learned this from.

That's just one of those affirmation type statements, a statement that one pushes which they cannot prove, but only hopes others will accept and just believe.

 

[DavyP]

Brethren, here's a basic Bible 101 Lesson...

Where did the image of man originate from?

Gen 1:26-27
26 And God said, Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
KJV

And per John 4:24, "God is a Spirit".

So I have to laugh at those who keep trying to claim that the image of 'man' always means human flesh. It does not. The image of man originates from The Father and The Son's Own Image in the Heavenly, and from the angels He made with that image of man also.

 

[DavyP]

And I will simply conclude with saying that you both, over time, will be proven wrong, Scripture says that the Son of Perdition will be destroyed at the Parousia of Christ and His resurrection of the dead. 2 Thes. 2:8; also Daniel 11:45 - 12:3 Scripture also clearly reveals that the Beast, the Mouth of the Beast = the Little Horn, and the False Prophet all ascend to world-ruling power AFTER Christ's Parousia to take up his elect in the Rapture. So says the Word, and so it will be.

The ROLE of Antichrist is what will be destroyed at Christ's coming, not the actual one who will play that ROLE, i.e., the "dragon"...

Rev 13:4-8
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, "Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?"
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
KJV

Those parts above I underlined were prophesied in the Book of Daniel about the coming false one at the end of this world. The above Rev.13:4 verse reveals just who (a singular entity) the whole world will worship at the end. That word "beast" is also applied to the idea of a beast king in God's Word (Rev.17).


The "beast" below that "shall ascend out of the bottomless pit" is about Satan himself, the "dragon". He is that "son of perdition" that Apostle Paul was pointing to in 2 Thessalonians 2:3.
(And don't make me laugh by saying Paul was speaking of Judas, because Judas Iscariot had already been long dead when Paul gave that 2 Thess.2 prophecy about the "son of perdition").

Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
KJV

Rev 17:10-11
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
KJV

Satan himself will be that seventh beast king for the 'end' per that Rev.17:8, 10, 11 Scripture. He is "of the seven" beast kings because he was over the previous beast kings of history. But for the final 7th and 8th beast king ROLES, Satan himself will fulfill those without a human king. This is why the above "beast" is shown ascending out of the bottomless pit. Revelation 11:7 also shows it will be the "beast" (Satan) that will ascend out of the bottomless pit to kill God's "two witnesses" in Jerusalem for the coming tribulation time.

Now consider about that beast that "is of the seven" in verse 11 above. Can that apply to any single flesh king? how could a single flesh king be OF the previous seven beast kings? Just to be able to consider that point means we cannot apply that Rev.17:11 "beast" as being a flesh man. That only leaves Satan himself, a spirit being that influence all the previous flesh beast kings of history, which is how Satan is of those seven beast kings.