just because one matures in their walk enough to realize that folks are going to believe what they choose, and bringing to light all the error that an evangelist, or preacher , pastor , or rabbi espouse will never further the cause of present truth as much as fervent prayer to the ONE who can actually change the heart, doesn't mean I'm saying ignore the problem... this is a spiritual problem and this battle must be fought with spiritual weapons.
The Real Truth About Joseph Prince!
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I would like to ask a question..... After listening to several of Joseph Prince's supporters in the BDF posting their wares, wouldn't you be suspicious of him? What kind of spirit do they display when someone disagrees with them?
I ask this question from time to time, & NEVER get an answer for it.....
IF hypergrace is true, why do its proponents argue about it at all? They say whoever repents once & accepts Christ is saved & cannot be saved no matter what. Yet we constantly hear their implications that those who disagree are legalists, mockers, & enemies of grace. They have said some people aren't saved to begin with, & implied they wouldn't want be in in our shoes on judgment day.
WHY say such things, when according to THEIR DOCTRINE, we all are saved & nothing can change that? Why not just be thankful we all are saved? Why be hateful? WHY is their doctrine so "life & death" on this forum when the doctrine itself says it's not?
One must wonder if there's more going on with hypergrace than what we see with our eyes.
NEVER FORGET..... BOTH of our doctrines save IF hypergrace is true.
I ask this question from time to time, & NEVER get an answer for it.....
IF hypergrace is true, why do its proponents argue about it at all? They say whoever repents once & accepts Christ is saved & cannot be saved no matter what. Yet we constantly hear their implications that those who disagree are legalists, mockers, & enemies of grace. They have said some people aren't saved to begin with, & implied they wouldn't want be in in our shoes on judgment day.
WHY say such things, when according to THEIR DOCTRINE, we all are saved & nothing can change that? Why not just be thankful we all are saved? Why be hateful? WHY is their doctrine so "life & death" on this forum when the doctrine itself says it's not?
One must wonder if there's more going on with hypergrace than what we see with our eyes.
NEVER FORGET..... BOTH of our doctrines save IF hypergrace is true.
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I have reported this thread Chester. As soon as I saw the edited videos made to mock JP. It is up to the moderator's decision. But when Stephen started posting un-edited videos, we saw it as an opportunity to let the others come to a conclusion for themselves (without the bias of the haters who originally edited the videos).
After all, if it's truth that Stephen wants, then let truth be shown to everyone (and I mean truth as in the original videos).
Like what the wise Gamaliel said: if our purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. But if it is from God, no one will be able to..
After all, if it's truth that Stephen wants, then let truth be shown to everyone (and I mean truth as in the original videos).
Like what the wise Gamaliel said: if our purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. But if it is from God, no one will be able to..
I agree with some of this...however if God says something is true despite what our natural mind or circumstance says - than the ultimate truth is what God says about a subject. This is called being humble and submitting to the Lord as we walk by faith and not by sight.
Sometimes there are truths that are in Christ that our natural minds cannot fathom yet and it takes the Holy Spirit to reveal these truths as they are going to be against what our minds know now.
I don't agree with any teacher on everything no matter who they are. We all know in part and Paul says those that think they know something - don't know it as they ought to.
For example : There are many things I totally disagree with that John McArthur says but I am not going to constantly post threads about his supposed apostasy and unbelief in the word of God "as I see it".
I am not going to call him a false teacher, demonic, satanic, nor a cult, nor a heretic...etc.
There is a vast difference between discussing scriptural truth and maligning and slandering others in the body of Christ that disagree with us on any subject.
Sometimes there are truths that are in Christ that our natural minds cannot fathom yet and it takes the Holy Spirit to reveal these truths as they are going to be against what our minds know now.
I don't agree with any teacher on everything no matter who they are. We all know in part and Paul says those that think they know something - don't know it as they ought to.
For example : There are many things I totally disagree with that John McArthur says but I am not going to constantly post threads about his supposed apostasy and unbelief in the word of God "as I see it".
I am not going to call him a false teacher, demonic, satanic, nor a cult, nor a heretic...etc.
There is a vast difference between discussing scriptural truth and maligning and slandering others in the body of Christ that disagree with us on any subject.
disclaimer- I know or care nothing about mr. prince. I am not " hyper grace " . I believe that we all have free will, and I freely chose to accept Christ, and I could one day reverse that choice, though I have 0 intention of doing so.
now, I ask, why all the hate about people who say that we are saved by grace, that is what the Bible says.
could it be that certain denominations have a very controlling theology, think that they have to " keep them in line ", think that they have to threaten folks with hell if they don't " do right". that , I think, is the sprit behind the attacks on grace.
now, I ask, why all the hate about people who say that we are saved by grace, that is what the Bible says.
could it be that certain denominations have a very controlling theology, think that they have to " keep them in line ", think that they have to threaten folks with hell if they don't " do right". that , I think, is the sprit behind the attacks on grace.
Good grief girl, wake up! Read the following and you tell me if Jesus Christ is using "hate" speech? In other words, was Jesus being "Biblically Correct" in your world or was He telling the truth? I'm talking about what He said at Matthew 23, please read the whole chapter. And btw, no real Christian "hates" others. I'm sure you've heard the saying, "Hate the sin but love the sinner." 
IN GOD THE SON,
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IN GOD THE SON,
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NEVER FORGET..... BOTH of our doctrines save IF hypergrace is true.
A true statement, but one doctrine leads to spiritual maturity and the Fruit of the Spirit, going out and loving others, building up the Body and reaching out to the Lost, while the other leads to division and strife, preoccupying the Body with judgement of self and others.
I'm content to let the reader decide which is which.
-JGIG
[I fixed in red what I believe to be a typo in the post above.]
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The truth is that people are responding to the hate filled malice and slander being exhibited. Why? So, that other young believers will not fall for this type of behavior and think it is Godly when it is a blight on the Lord Jesus Christ.
The maligning of those that stand for the grace of Christ for life and living real purpose is to dis-credit those that preach and teach about the love and grace of Christ for us - this dis-crediting of the ones that speak about the grace of Christ in reality is dis-crediting the message of the Lord Jesus Christ.
This is why people speak about the total dependence on the grace and love of Christ only for life and living - our salvation is Christ Himself. This is why they stand against works-based self-righteousness and holiness. It is a perversion of the gospel of the grace of Christ.
Christians are saved because of Jesus - not because of us and what we do or don't do. This is where the works-based salvationists have a problem with and it comes from the Pentecostal religion belief system.
Your question has been answered many times - you just don't like the answer - and that is fine but to say it has never been answered is not accurate and mis-leading.
The maligning of those that stand for the grace of Christ for life and living real purpose is to dis-credit those that preach and teach about the love and grace of Christ for us - this dis-crediting of the ones that speak about the grace of Christ in reality is dis-crediting the message of the Lord Jesus Christ.
This is why people speak about the total dependence on the grace and love of Christ only for life and living - our salvation is Christ Himself. This is why they stand against works-based self-righteousness and holiness. It is a perversion of the gospel of the grace of Christ.
Christians are saved because of Jesus - not because of us and what we do or don't do. This is where the works-based salvationists have a problem with and it comes from the Pentecostal religion belief system.
Your question has been answered many times - you just don't like the answer - and that is fine but to say it has never been answered is not accurate and mis-leading.
NEVER FORGET..... BOTH of our doctrines save IF hypergrace is true.
A true statement, but one doctrine leads to spiritual maturity and the Fruit of the Spirit, going out and loving others, building up the Body and reaching out to the Lost, while the other leads to division and strife, preoccupying the Body with judgement of self and others.
I'm content to let the reader decide which is which.
-JGIG
[I fixed in red what I believe to be a typo in the post above.]
NEVER FORGET..... BOTH of our doctrines save IF hypergrace is true.
A true statement, but one doctrine leads to spiritual maturity and the Fruit of the Spirit, going out and loving others, building up the Body and reaching out to the Lost, while the other leads to division and strife, preoccupying the Body with judgement of self and others.
I'm content to let the reader decide which is which.
-JGIG
[I fixed in red what I believe to be a typo in the post above.]
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depends on who is bringing what to light, wouldn't you say?
now if you or stevie wonder spread stinky stuff about someone, it's ALL good
but bring out the spiritual weapons when BELIEVERS disagree...and use them on believers...not what Paul intended
it sure 'nuff IS a spiritual problem...but it is the ATTITUDE that is the spiritual problem
ever hear of the expression COLD LOVE?
love with no care, is cold and that is the main feature of these types of childish attack threads
I don't even watch Joseph Prince...but from what I have read and the little I have watched? he is not the daimon on earth some of you ranting heresy hunter types think he is
ANYBODY in ANY kind of ministry is going to be attacked
and most often by Christians...influenced by things that are not holy
NEVER FORGET..... BOTH of our doctrines save IF hypergrace is true.
A true statement, but one doctrine leads to spiritual maturity and the Fruit of the Spirit, going out and loving others, building up the Body and reaching out to the Lost, while the other leads to division and strife, preoccupying the Body with judgement of self and others.
I'm content to let the reader decide which is which.
-JGIG
I would like to ask a question..... After listening to several of Joseph Prince's supporters in the BDF posting their wares, wouldn't you be suspicious of him? What kind of spirit do they display when someone disagrees with them?
I ask this question from time to time, & NEVER get an answer for it.....
IF hypergrace is true, why do its proponents argue about it at all? They say whoever repents once & accepts Christ is saved & cannot be [un]saved no matter what. Yet we constantly hear their implications that those who disagree are legalists, mockers, & enemies of grace. They have said somepeople aren't saved to begin with, & implied they wouldn't want be in in our shoes on judgment day.
WHY say such things, when according to THEIR DOCTRINE, we all are saved & nothing can change that? Why not just be thankful we all are saved? Why be hateful? WHY is their doctrine so "life & death" on this forum when the doctrine itself says it's not?
One must wonder if there's more going on with hypergrace than what we see with our eyes.
NEVER FORGET..... BOTH of our doctrines save IF hypergrace is true.
[I fixed in red what I believe to be a typo in the post above.]
Thank you for the correction.
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Oh no, I opened a discussion thread on the bible in the bdf. Who would have guessed.
And what were they about. The parable of the lost coin, praise good things in others,
eph 2:6 dwelling in the heavenly realms.
Not exactly attacking anyone or anything but discussing biblical issues.
But then if you do not appreciate a certain theology, it obviously shows in antipathy.
And what were they about. The parable of the lost coin, praise good things in others,
eph 2:6 dwelling in the heavenly realms.
Not exactly attacking anyone or anything but discussing biblical issues.
But then if you do not appreciate a certain theology, it obviously shows in antipathy.
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Actually it is simple.
Open a thread concerning what salvation is.. Not to attack a person who is not even in CC to defend himself. And maybe we can discuss it.
When you open a thread attacking someone, Do you really expect to get nice responses?
also note. If hypergrace/grace is true, I disagree, Both our doctrines do not save.
Open a thread concerning what salvation is.. Not to attack a person who is not even in CC to defend himself. And maybe we can discuss it.
When you open a thread attacking someone, Do you really expect to get nice responses?
also note. If hypergrace/grace is true, I disagree, Both our doctrines do not save.