Notice it says 'all nations' not just the nation of Israel. That scripture does not identify, certainly not in the context of Romans 11 where Paul quotes the verse about the remnant and applies it to Israel's response to the Gospel. It is very clear in that passage that he is referring to the physical descendants of the patriarchs.
In fact, I know of no passage of scripture that unambiguously uses "Israel" in a way that could include Gentile believers. "They are not all Israel that are of Israel" in Romans 9 may be interpreted to mean that not all physical Israelites are of Israel in a spiritual sense, without including Gentile believers. If one takes 'of Israel' in this context to include Gentiles, it isn't really critical for understanding Romans 11. Even the 'Israel of God' passage gives no context. Paul could have been referring to Israelites who believe in God, just as he refers to 'churches of the Gentiles' in chapter 16. Again, this is not crucial for understanding the remnant passage in Romans 11.
Even the passage in Romans 2 that says that he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, but circumcision is that of the heart, can be interpreted to mean that Jews are only Jews if they are circumcised in the heart, as opposed to a commentary on Gentile believers.
So what I see in your post is you have asserted that various verses.... which do not mention Israel... define Israel.
God clearly has a plan for national Israel, the physical descendants of Israel. Paul is very explicit about this in the book of Romans, which draws to some extent from the song of Moses in Deuteronomy 32. Along with Paul's comments and the mystery of the Gentiles opened up in the New testament, we can understand the song of Moses. Israel rebels from God, going off into idolatry and into unbelief. God uses the Gentiles to provoke them to jealousy (as Paul quotes in Romans 10). Toward the end of the Psalm, we read, "Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with His people." The plan, opened up by Paul, is to open up salvation to Gentile and Jew alike through faith in the Messiah. But much of Israel is blinded, rejects God, while a remnant believes. Then at some point, the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, and Israel's blindness continues until that point.
Paul continues on in Romans 11 to say that all Israel shall be saved. If there is any doubt that he is referring to Israel after the flesh when he says this and when he quotes about the delivering turning away ungodliness from Jacob and taking away their sins (Romans 11:30-31), he makes it clear that he is referring to the physical descendants because he says concerning the gospel they are 'enemies for your sake's, but beloved for the sakes of the fathers.' (v. 28) Paul already established God's judgment on wicked Jews in the early chapters of the book, so he does mean every Jew that ever lived will be saved. Rather, He refers to a future time when the nation of Israel will accept Jesus as the Messiah. We can read about this in the book of Zechariah also.
Romans 4 shows us that Abraham is the father of faith to the circumcision and uncircumcision. He is the father of faith to believing Israelites and also believing Gentiles. Those who are in Christ are Abraham's seed, whether they are Israelites or believing Gentiles. In Romans 11, Paul calls believing Gentiles, Gentiles, and he calls Israel, Israel, whether they believe or not.
Please read Romans 11.
If the Lord permits and I have time and remember to do so, I may go through some verses in Romans 11 and elsewhere on this topic.
yeah this doesn’t make any distinction between flesh and spirit
“That is,
They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God:
but the
children of the promise are counted for the seed.”
Romans 9:8 KJV
it seems brother like you are looking for different messages in each verse but it’s all making clear points. We’re meant to put them together and not so much try to explain what each one has to
Mean scripture makes it’s own understanding and interpretation
the
only way to understand israel is to learn what the prophets had been saying all along that’s how one can understand
Paul’s writings about israel he’s not saying anything new he’s saying what they were always saying
even something this simple should make you think and then you don’t want to reject what it says but want to accept it and then the next brick fits better if israel isn’t born again they can’t be saved just like a gentile
“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee,
Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee,
Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
That which is born of the flesh is flesh;
and that which is
born of the Spirit is spirit.”
John 3:3, 5-6
The flesh is not the spirit one has to be born of the spirit being born of abrams flesh doesn’t mean anything anymore one has to be
reborn of Christs spirit to be saved where they used to be an Israelite or gentile means nothing anymore it used to but then they broke thier covenant and cursed the earth
“It is the spirit that quickeneth;
the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63 KJV
Being born of any flesh is meaningless it cannot save anyone in anyway nor does god have respect towards any particular flesh
“it is sown a
natural body; it is raised a
spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a
spiritual body.
Now this I say, brethren, that
flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.”
1 Corinthians 15:44, 50
being born a Jew or gentile is equal and unremarkable now
“tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the
Jew first, and also of the Gentile; but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good,
to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: for there is
no respect of persons with God.”
Romans 2:9-11 KJV
in the old testsment he said if they would keep
all Of his laws and commandments he would respect then mOre than anyone else
“
If ye walk in my statutes, and
keep my commandments, and
do them; ……..For
I will have respect unto you, and make you fruitful, and multiply you, and establish my covenant with you.”
Leviticus 26:3, 9
but he said” if you don’t keep all
My commands and laws and break
My covenant i will Abhor you and destroy you and slay you and call My children by another name
both of those statements are true whether the king list of curses for breaking the law and the shorter list of blessing if they kept every word of it both the warnings and blessings were true
what they did was worship false gods and defile every commandment he gave them for hundreds of years and then told everyone we’re blessed God will never punish us like he said
that brought Gods wrath and the curses he was always warning them about in the end the law determined that israel of the flesh are just sinners like everyone else in the world it made them the same and there was no respect unto Israel but rather a curse
you would have to look at the prophets and what they are saying and then remember the law and what it said It isn’t and wasn’t unconditional
“I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that
I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore
choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:”
Deuteronomy 30:19 KJV
this is what they ended up doing
“The
earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because
they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.”
Isaiah 24:5-6 KJV
Anyone who has read and learned the words of the law understands thats just what he warned then about in the law
So he sent to israel the messiah who was sent to save them but they rejected him so the remnant go has believed the early church or “Jesus disciples who believed “ took the message to all nations the same one israel rejected is now offered to anyone anyflesh
thier bc cement is fulfilled just like he said if they had obeyed it would have been different result but they did everything he said not to do d had warned them of the outcome
to be an Israelite we have to accept Christ the son of we reject him it’s showing that we aren’t of that spirit and our flesh is in no way ever going to save us it doesn’t matter who our parents were faith matters to one and all it’s what makes Abraham’s children but the only way to know is to accept it and let it change what we thought
Just listening to Jesus and the gospel a bit sort of makes it unavoidable but I’m really nOt interested in arguing brother , I respect your thinking and right to think it just disagree with a lot of it on this subject , but it is a touchy subject for some
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