you must read and understand what someone is saying i never said you are saved by keeping commandments . We are saved by grace but that does not give one the right to break the commandement hmmm do you worship idols why or why not ?
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you must read and understand what someone is saying i never said you are saved by keeping commandments . We are saved by grace but that does not give one the right to break the commandement hmmm do you worship idols why or why not ?
Kerry...Did you just offer up a spiritual sacrifice to the Lord of another? Someone got spiritually mutilated by you!
Sometimes one has to stop and realise that they are dealing with young ones in Christ and it is a fine line between instruction and a stumbling block. I realise that I must let go and let the Holy Spirit do His thing. Its a hard thing to do, knowing what they must go through. Yet I am still learning myself. I will give this advice and leave it alone, """when you find yourself broken and are out of options, you have prayed, you have kept sabbath, you have fasted for 3, 10, 21, 40 days and still are bound"""".
In process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the*Lord.
4*And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the*Lordhad respect unto Abel and to his offering:
5*But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
6*And the*Lord*said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
7*If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
8*And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.
9*And the*Lord*said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?
10*And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.
11*And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;
12*When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.
13*And Cain said unto the*Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear.
14*Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
15*And the*Lord*said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold.
Sometimes one has to stop and realise that they are dealing with young ones in Christ and it is a fine line between instruction and a stumbling block. I realise that I must let go and let the Holy Spirit do His thing. Its a hard thing to do, knowing what they must go through. Yet I am still learning myself. I will give this advice and leave it alone, """when you find yourself broken and are out of options, you have prayed, you have kept sabbath, you have fasted for 3, 10, 21, 40 days and still are bound"""".
In process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the*Lord.
4*And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the*Lordhad respect unto Abel and to his offering:
5*But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
6*And the*Lord*said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
7*If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
8*And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.
9*And the*Lord*said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?
10*And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.
11*And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;
12*When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.
13*And Cain said unto the*Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear.
14*Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
15*And the*Lord*said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold.
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Kerry man is saved by doing the Works the Holy Spirit tells him to do.... It is not his own works if the Holy Spirit instructs him to do it. Let me give one example of COMPLETE SALVATION....
Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
Just look at this one verse in Ephesians....
There is this thief and he steals every day. God says he should steal NO MORE... so this thief has to STOP stealing.... before he does ANYTHING else he should stop stealing... No use stealing on monday and working the other days.... NO USE. He has to STOP STEALING (sinning) But just to stop stealing is also NOT ENOUGH...
Even if the thief stops stealing, he has not fulfilled the command yet..... but he should now labour things that is good, so he can share with others....
In this one verse we learned the WHOLE GOSPEL OF GOD.... Not only should we STOP sinning, but we should be DOING GOOD. There is NO good in sin, and there is NO SIN in Good. If you do not get this, then I cannot help.
No perseon can DO GOOD AND BAD... No tree bears two fruits... you CANNOT serve sin and God.... You cannot serve God and Satan... If you so ONE sin , just ONE .... you are a child of Satan.... This thief only stole, he did not commit adultery, he did not blaspheme God, he did not musrder, he was no sodomite, of lier... he was a thief... Stopped and worked what was Good and gave to the needy....
He is not Robin Hood who stole and gave stolen items to poor. He worked with his own hands and was paid honostly, and then he gave his own to the needy. From thief that stole others and enriched himself, to good worker that dhared his own...WOW!b Now that I can DIG MAN!!!!!
God is the same... I did sin in my body, but God comes and does HIS GOOD in it....
Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
Just look at this one verse in Ephesians....
There is this thief and he steals every day. God says he should steal NO MORE... so this thief has to STOP stealing.... before he does ANYTHING else he should stop stealing... No use stealing on monday and working the other days.... NO USE. He has to STOP STEALING (sinning) But just to stop stealing is also NOT ENOUGH...
Even if the thief stops stealing, he has not fulfilled the command yet..... but he should now labour things that is good, so he can share with others....
In this one verse we learned the WHOLE GOSPEL OF GOD.... Not only should we STOP sinning, but we should be DOING GOOD. There is NO good in sin, and there is NO SIN in Good. If you do not get this, then I cannot help.
No perseon can DO GOOD AND BAD... No tree bears two fruits... you CANNOT serve sin and God.... You cannot serve God and Satan... If you so ONE sin , just ONE .... you are a child of Satan.... This thief only stole, he did not commit adultery, he did not blaspheme God, he did not musrder, he was no sodomite, of lier... he was a thief... Stopped and worked what was Good and gave to the needy....
He is not Robin Hood who stole and gave stolen items to poor. He worked with his own hands and was paid honostly, and then he gave his own to the needy. From thief that stole others and enriched himself, to good worker that dhared his own...WOW!b Now that I can DIG MAN!!!!!
God is the same... I did sin in my body, but God comes and does HIS GOOD in it....
K
Kerry
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My friend, thank God that you are saved by grace. But, I ask you, where is your faith, is it on keeping sabbath or food or law. Or is your faith based on how good you can be. I hope that you do not become bound. It can be a struggle to get free and some do not. Please, place your faith exclusively in the work of the cross and not your own. But , i'm just an old joe, what do I know. May God lead you and keep you. Good night. I maybe back or maybe not. I do not want to stand in they way of the Holy spirit, but it pains me knowing what you must go through. But, I guess we all have to. Cling to to cross my friend. amen.
If you walk in the spirit you will not do the longings of the flesh, which cause you to break the commandments. So walking in the spirit is key, not following commandments. We can learn things about walking in the spirit from the commandments, but attempts to attain, maintain, or measure righteousness by them always fail.
those that walk in the Spirit will be taught to keep all Gods law and those that do have His Spirit will walk in the spirit of the prince of the air
Do you worship idols Why or Why not ? is that not part of the commandment that is to be kept ?
Hebrews 8
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
This reasoning is self contradictory. The law leads to Christ, but Christ doesn't lead to the keeping of laws; he teaches to follow the spirit of love through faith. Laws are meant to restrain evil; they are not meant for righteous people. The spirit gives life and the righteousness required by the law.
That is just figurative language used to describe the indwelling holy spirit. Nothing has been written in anyone's heart.
[h=3]Why did God Chose to wite the ten commandments Himself a second time ?
Exodus 34[/h]King James Version (KJV)
1 And the Lord said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.
2 And be ready in the morning, and come up in the morning unto mount Sinai, and present thyself there to me in the top of the mount.
3 And no man shall come up with thee, neither let any man be seen throughout all the mount; neither let the flocks nor herds feed before that mount.
4 And he hewed two tables of stone like unto the first; and Moses rose up early in the morning, and went up unto mount Sinai, as the Lord had commanded him, and took in his hand the two tables of stone.
Exodus 34[/h]King James Version (KJV)
1 And the Lord said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.
2 And be ready in the morning, and come up in the morning unto mount Sinai, and present thyself there to me in the top of the mount.
3 And no man shall come up with thee, neither let any man be seen throughout all the mount; neither let the flocks nor herds feed before that mount.
4 And he hewed two tables of stone like unto the first; and Moses rose up early in the morning, and went up unto mount Sinai, as the Lord had commanded him, and took in his hand the two tables of stone.
So why did God write it with His own fingers and the 4th one again with the words remember the sabbath etc .
2 Corinthians 3
King James Version (KJV)
3 Do we begin again to commend ourselves? or need we, as some others, epistles of commendation to you, or letters of commendation from you?
2Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:
3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
the bible is saying the ten commandments are transferred to our hearts and minds written by the Spirit of God to circumcise the heart and that is the new covenant
Hebrew 9
9Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Romans 2
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
What law is this ?
so the eternal rest from the holy spirit means nothing to any of you? maybe we are reading different bibles or some people just choose not to understand, but the old testament was a shadow of things to come " wasn't the final plan" JESUS CHRIST is the is the final plan anyone who is born again has entered an eternal rest through the holy spirit, so why are you going back to the shadow instead of following christ?
open your eyes people.. leave your creeds and get back to Jesus, everysingle creed takes a part of the bible and leaves out the rest and think they are doing the right thing, if your creed can't get pass exodus 20 what should that tell you? that means you haven't experienced the new testament if your too busy stuck in the old testament, i'm off to church God bless