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I do not believe I did miss the point because he referred to the letter in that question.



Paul would clarify this point below:

Romans 14:[SUP]4 [/SUP]Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. [SUP]5 [/SUP]One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. [SUP]6 [/SUP]He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

You missed the point. We are stating the same things.
 
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Dear Kerry

I take thy comments humbely because Jesus said

John 15

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If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.


Oh yeah that the best you have that is not chritian like hmmm because we have different views



 
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Not because we do not agree that gave you the right to label me as such but hey i rejoice because God is in control only in time we shall know who belongs to the Lord

Take care
 
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Isaiah 8

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To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
 
Sabbath-keeping not the issue

Romans 14:5
, 6: "One person esteems one day above another, another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord . . ."

Those who oppose Sabbath observance can't seem to resist reading it into these two verses, even though the entire chapter is devoted to eating and fasting. Expositor's Bible Commentary remarks, "Whether the question of regarding the day as more sacred than another refers to Sabbath observance or to special days for feasting or fasting is not easily determined." This would certainly be true for those who want to read Sabbath-keeping into the context.

That having been said, the quote continues: "Since the early church in Jerusalem almost certainly observed the Sabbath, it is not impossible that Paul has the Sabbath in mind . . . Even so, if the day of worship is in view, it is strange that any believer could be said to consider 'every day alike' . . . The close contextual association as a time with eating suggests that Paul has in mind a special day set apart for feasting or as a time for fasting."

The Jews fasted on Mondays and Thursdays. Human nature resulted in self-righteous condemnation of those who were not fasting at these set times. "I fast twice a week," boasted the Pharisee in one of Christ's parables (Luke 18:12
). First-century gnostic philosophy advocated fasting and condemned feasting. The gnostics also attached special significance to times.

In Romans 14:5
, 6 Paul sets the record straight by emphasizing that fasting is a voluntary exercise of worship not limited to a particular day. Therefore, one person's fasting on a particular day when another is eating does not make him more righteous. The keeping of the Sabbath simply is not in the context of Romans 14, and to read it in is clearly a case of eisegesis (interpreting a passage of Scripture according to personal notions rather than according to original meaning).
 
Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you, received ye the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by the hearing of faith?
Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? Having begun in the spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Galatians 3:4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? If it be yet in vain.
Galatians 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith.


Paul wanted to know who hath bewitched the Galatians, before whose very eyes Christ was crucified. He asked in verse 3 having begun in the spirit are ye now made perfect by the flesh? In verse 5 he asked, he that ministered to you the spirit, and worked great miracles among you did he do these things through the works of the law or ..by the hearing of faith? It is clear that the Galatians received salvation through faith, and that the great miracles worked by the apostles were done through faith. But the unbelieving Jews at that time would have the Galatians to believe, that they had to be circumcised if they were to be followers of God. Many preachers today uses this scripture to teach that the ten commandments cannot save you, and though that may be true, this is not the law that Paul was speaking about.

In the book of Genesis 17:10-14 it reads.
Genesis 17:10This is my covenant, which ye shall keep between me and you and thy seed after thee; every man child among you shall be circumcised.
Genesis 17:11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant between me and you.
Genesis 17:12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
Genesis 17:13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
Genesis 17:14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant
 
Here we see God making his first covenant with Abraham, and the sign given was to be kept throughout all their generations. This sign was circumcision and it is because of this LAW, the unbelieving Jews wanted the Galatians to be circumcised in the flesh. The bible does not contradict itself, especially by the same author. Paul states in Rom3:19,20

Romans 3:19 Now we know that what things so ever the Law saith, it saith to them who are under the Law: That every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the Law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: For by the Law is the knowledge of sin


Paul is saying in verse 19 that the law, the Ten Commandments was to stop the mouth of every sinner that they will know that they are all guilty before God without Christ, for by the Law he said in verse 20 is the knowledge of SIN. In the book of 1Jn3:4 the apostle John supports Paul by saying. Whosoever committeth SIN transgresseth also the Law: for SIN is the transgression of the Law. The obvious question now is, is there sin in the world? And the equally obvious answer is YES. Since SIN is still in this world then God’s Ten Commandments must be still binding upon us. Paul says in Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the Law through faith? God forbid; yea we establish the law. There are no contradictions here beloved, the Ten Commandments are still binding on us today, Both apostles Paul & John explains clearly that its purpose is to identify SIN, Paul further makes it clear that we cannot make void the Ten Commandments, GOD forbids it Rom8:31.
 
Now that it is evidently clear that the Ten Commandment have been established by God for all times, which commandment were the unbelieving Jews trying to impose upon the Galatians? We have already showed that circumcision was the main issue and the point that was being debated at that time, Gal chp3:1-5. But was that all that was at stake, and what was really nailed at the cross? Eph 2:15. Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the Law of Commandment contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace… Even the Law of Commandments contained in ordinances, throughout the entire book of Leviticus, you will find various different sacrifices which were to be made for the atonement of Sins.

The book of Hebrews says” “without the shedding of blood there shall no flesh be saved.” This was illustrated in the Garden of Eden after Adam and Eve sinned. They tried to cover their Sins with leaves but it was not sufficient, showing that man cannot take care of his own sins; God had to kill a lamb to make coats of skin to cover their Sins. Christ was that lamb slain from the foundation of the world. And from then the blood of innocent bulls, rams, goats, doves etc were offered for atonement for Sin. And though offered throughout the year for sins committed then, on the day of atonement, you had to remember those sins committed and make another offering for past sins. But bless the Lord the psalmist said “sacrifice and offerings thou wouldest not but a body thou hast prepared me.”Psms40:6. This was a direct reference to Christ. The book of Heb10:1-18 illustrates this and clearly shows which Law was nailed to the cross, that is if you are willing to believe the words of God.
 
Now where the remission of these sins and iniquities is, there is no more offering of animals, because Christ took the place of them. There it is my beloved, Christ death on the cross took the place of all those animals that were and would have been offered. Verse 11 said that the ministering priest oftentimes offered the s a m e offerings which can n e v e r take away sins daily. Verse 12. But this man Christ Jesus offered one sacrifice, himself once! and sat down at the right hand of the father. Blessed be his holy name.

This is what Rom10:4 means by stating “Christ is the end of the LAW for righteousness to everyone that believeth.” Note, it did not just say, Christ is the end of the law full stop, but rather the end of the LAW for righteousness to them that believe.

What that means is this, to everyone that believe that Christ death on the cross was the ultimate sacrifice for sin, they no longer have to continue in the old law of Offering animals for the atonement of their sins.

They fully understand the meaning of Heb10:9 he taketh away the first that he may establish the second. Do you follow it? By the deeds of the LAW which is the offering of bulls, goats, rams, etc. Doing these things thereby shall no flesh be saved. But by Faith in the death and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ, you will be saved.
 
Christ, in shedding his blood on Calvary, made an end to animal sacrifice. His blood which was shed is the blood of the New COVENANT Matt26:28. In the book of Jeremiah 31:31, God declares, “Behold the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.” Note with whom the new covenant was to be made with. At no time! Contrary to belief was there a covenant made between God and the gentiles, no time. The old covenant was first made with Abraham, reassured in Isaac, and made assured in Jacob who became Israel. The new covenant was also promised to the Israelites Hebrews 8:8, 9 For finding fault with them, he saith, behold the days, come saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah:

Hebrews 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hands to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Hebrews 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will but my LAWS into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God and they shall be to me a people.
 
God said he will write his LAWS in our minds and our hearts, this he does through the Holy Spirit. This is the very LAWS that were on the tablets of stones. David said “I have seen an end of all perfection but thy Commandments are exceedingly broad.” Halleluiah.

Gods Laws shall never come to an end. Christ said, concerning the commandments. “Heaven and earth may pass away but not one jot nor a title shall in no wise pass from the LAW.”
Let God be true and all men be liars. It is interesting to note that when ever someone says that the LAW is abolished, what they really want to say is that the Sabbath of the Lord is abolished, for they USUALLY keep the other nine but the easiest of them all they seem to have problem with. Rest that’s all we are asked to do, cease from all our own chores and honor our creator. But God’s word must be fulfilled, Dan7:25. “And he shall seek to change times and LAWS.” The great Dragon through the mother of all harlots has struck, changing God’s holy Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. We all know who the mother of all harlots is, but what we seem to not know is who her daughters are. It’s simple, since it Was Rome who changed God’s holy Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday, then whosoever follows suite are the daughters of Rome and as such are harlots themselves. Rev18:3, 4.

Revelation 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plaques.
 

Hebrews 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, and God did rest the seventh day from all his work.
Hebrews 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day?
Hebrews 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.


Paul is saying in the book of Hebrews, God rested on the seventh day of creation he blessed and sanctified the Sabbath day that is, he set it apart for himself. It’s the only day that is sanctified and made holy for the Lord. If Jesus had changed the Sabbath to Sunday, after he had done that he would have spoken about it, he would have said something about it. Since he didn’t, there remaineth a rest to the people of God. Christ said, my sheep know my voice I know them and they listen.
 
Hebrews 4:9

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]9 [/SUP]There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

The word rest in here means sabbath. God blessed and sanctified the 7th day. This blessing has not been removed, no other day has been blessed therefore the sabbath remains.
 
Which Sabbath do you follow? How many feet do you travel from your home on this Sabbath day? Do you drive your vehicle on the day in question? Is your food prepared the day before? What work do you perform if any on the your Sabbath Day?

Blessings



Timber

Simply put, do you keep the 10 commandments for the Lord's sake?
Or do you consider them abolished ?
Do you consider " Thou shalt not kill " abolished ?
Do you consider " thou shalt not commit adultery " abolished ?
Do you consider " Thou shalt not steal " abolished ?
Do you consider " Thou shalt not have other gods before me " abolished ?

Observing the sabbath is to accomplish a day of rest filled with great joy and happiness !
Never the way hypocrite pharisees did ! I would never do like the hypocrite pharisees did !
It's not human, it's perversion, and the Lord never meant the observance of the sabbath to be like that!

The first time the sabbath was observed it was on the seventh day of Creation,
and it was a holy day filled with an incommensurate joy and an incommensurate happiness !

Maranatha !
 
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Simply put, do you keep the 10 commandments for the Lord's sake?
Or do you consider them abolished ?
Do you consider " Thou shalt not kill " abolished ?
Do you consider " thou shalt not commit adultery " abolished ?
Do you consider " Thou shalt not steal " abolished ?
Do you consider " Thou shalt not have other gods before me " abolished ?

Observing the sabbath is to accomplish a day of rest filled with great joy and happiness !
Never the way hypocrite pharisees did ! I would never do like the hypocrite pharisees did !
It's not human, it's perversion, and the Lord never meant the observance of the sabbath to be like that!

The first time the sabbath was observed it was on the seventh day of Creation,
and it was a holy day filled with an incommensurate joy and an incommensurate happiness !

Maranatha !

Are you a SDA?

Timber
 
Hebrews 4:9

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]9 [/SUP]There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

The word rest in here means sabbath. God blessed and sanctified the 7th day. This blessing has not been removed, no other day has been blessed therefore the sabbath remains.

I agree but Grammatically speaking a day is not in mind here but a life in Christ

Timberdoodle
 
Sabbath-keeping not the issue

Romans 14:5
, 6: "One person esteems one day above another, another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord . . ."

Those who oppose Sabbath observance can't seem to resist reading it into these two verses, even though the entire chapter is devoted to eating and fasting. Expositor's Bible Commentary remarks, "Whether the question of regarding the day as more sacred than another refers to Sabbath observance or to special days for feasting or fasting is not easily determined." This would certainly be true for those who want to read Sabbath-keeping into the context.


Two topics were being discussed on how believers were being judged by and not just about whethor they eat or not. They also referred to esteeming a day or not. It did not say about esteeming a day to eat or not. Yes, the chapter focussed more on the topic of eating or not eating, but again, there were two separate topics as Paul was saying not to judge a believer by those two topics, and the point of reproof was on how any believer stand in spite of it.

Romans 14:[SUP]4 [/SUP]Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. [SUP]5 [/SUP]One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. [SUP]6 [/SUP]He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

That having been said, the quote continues: "Since the early church in Jerusalem almost certainly observed the Sabbath, it is not impossible that Paul has the Sabbath in mind .

Name one letter to the church that emphasized sabbath day keeping when they were going to the Jewish synagogues for evangelistic purposes as reported in Acts. You can't have church services in Jewish synagogues on the sabbath day. The sabbath day was high time for reaching out to the Jews when they are gathered for services.

You got Paul giving the order to all the churches when to hold their collections: the first day of the week.

1 Corinthians 16:1Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

There is no basis for which that quote of yours can stand. It is an assumption by "early church" not based on scripture.

There is no liberty if you HAVE to keep the sabbath day. That would place a believer in bondage that they HAVE to do something. Real liberty is when they regard the sabbath day unto the Lord with thanks to Him because they do not have to keep it perfectly nor stone anybody to death for not keeping it for they have His righteousness as they are not to seek the righteousness by the deeds of the law of keeping the sabbath day.
 
Guess yall been reading the NIV, If you read the KJ you will realise that Jesus is the sabbath and if you place your faith in Him, you have kept the Sabbath.
 
Two topics were being discussed on how believers were being judged by and not just about whethor they eat or not. They also referred to esteeming a day or not. It did not say about esteeming a day to eat or not. Yes, the chapter focussed more on the topic of eating or not eating, but again, there were two separate topics as Paul was saying not to judge a believer by those two topics, and the point of reproof was on how any believer stand in spite of it.

Romans 14:[SUP]4 [/SUP]Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. [SUP]5 [/SUP]One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. [SUP]6 [/SUP]He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.



Name one letter to the church that emphasized sabbath day keeping when they were going to the Jewish synagogues for evangelistic purposes as reported in Acts. You can't have church services in Jewish synagogues on the sabbath day. The sabbath day was high time for reaching out to the Jews when they are gathered for services.

You got Paul giving the order to all the churches when to hold their collections: the first day of the week.

1 Corinthians 16:1Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

There is no basis for which that quote of yours can stand. It is an assumption by "early church" not based on scripture.

There is no liberty if you HAVE to keep the sabbath day. That would place a believer in bondage that they HAVE to do something. Real liberty is when they regard the sabbath day unto the Lord with thanks to Him because they do not have to keep it perfectly nor stone anybody to death for not keeping it for they have His righteousness as they are not to seek the righteousness by the deeds of the law of keeping the sabbath day.



Based on what you are saying i reckon you forgot to explain this part in the red thanks

1 Corinthians 16:1Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.