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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Actually God does change in the ways he deals with his people. For example circumcision is a thing of the past, don;t you agree?
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No. where does it say circumcision is a thing of the past?

The only thing Paul was teaching is circumcision was never kept as a means to salvation. Thats what the Jews were teaching and what he was correcting. Circumcision is very much not a thing of the past, it has huge health benefits that is still practiced today.

God's character does not change and His law He wrote is a reflection of His character. Holy, good, righteous, perfect, just etc.
 
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No. where does it say circumcision is a thing of the past?
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Paul said circumcision is nothing, yet it was a commandment in the law and a covenant with Abraham. So Paul calling a commandment of God nothing indicates there are new commandments

Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God. 1 Corinthians 7:19​
For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love. Galatians 5:6​
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. Galatians 6:15​
 
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SabbathBlessing said:
No. where does it say circumcision is a thing of the past?

The only thing Paul was teaching is circumcision was never kept as a means to salvation. Thats what the Jews were teaching and what he was correcting.
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Circumcision predated the law. It was so important that a soul would be cut off from Israel if it wasn;t done.

And again you're trying to gaslight the audience by saying the pharisees were only concerned with gentile believers becoming circumcised to be saved. The text clearly states that they said gentiles had to observe the law to be saved.
 
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Circumcision predated the law. It was so important that a soul would be cut off from Israel if it wasn;t done.

And again you're trying to gaslight the audience by saying the pharisees were only concerned with gentile believers becoming circumcised to be saved. The text clearly states that they said gentiles had to observe the law to be saved.
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Yes, sorry I meant Gentiles, I posted the verses many times Acts 15:1 Gal 2:3
 
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Oh my goodness what a redirect
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Prove it went away in scripture. Never was that taught, it was not a means to salvation, that's the only thing Paul taught.

He said get it, don't get it either way is okay, but keeping the commandments of God, is what matters

1 Cor 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.
 
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Prove it went away in scripture. Never was that taught, it was not a means to salvation, that's the only thing Paul taught.
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Paul saying something is nothing in regards to salvation that formally was the sign of being in covenant with God tells me it went away as something to be concerned about, Formally a key commandment, now ignore it if you want to. Sounds like something changed in God;s dealings with men
 
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Paul saying something is nothing in regards to salvation that formally was the sign of being in covenant with God tells me it went away as something to be concerned about, Formally a key commandment, now ignore it if you want to. Sounds like something changed in God;s dealings with men
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Physical circumcision was never a means to salvation OT or NT. It was about circumcising the heart- cutting off flesh-sin and being married to Christ, those in Christ keep His commandments through love and faith 1 John 5:3 Rev 14:12 why Paul said what matters is keeping the commandments of God. 1 Cor 7:19 but physical circumcision has many health benefit to this day.

You don’ have to agree, thats ok, all gets sorted out soon enough.
 
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Oh yes it was

And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant. Genesis 17:14​
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No one has been saved by having their penis skin removed. Which means one can save themselves. Everyone is saved by grace through faith. In the OT it was faith looking forward to the Cross, in the NT it was faith looking back at the Cross. All people are only saved by by the blood of Jesus by grace through faith.
 
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No one has been saved by having their penis skin removed. Which means one can save themselves. Everyone is saved by grace through faith. In the OT it was faith looking forward to the Cross, in the NT it was faith looking back at the Cross. All people are only saved by by the blood of Jesus by grace through faith.
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Any Israelite who didn't get a chop job was cut off from Israel and had no access to the sacrificial system to cover his sins. In other words he was cut off from God and would perish. No one knew about the cross back then
 
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Any Israelite who didn't get a chop job was cut off from Israel and had no access to the sacrificial system to cover his sins. In other words he was cut off from God and would perish. No one knew about the cross back then
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The promise of Jesus was in Genesis right after the fall of man.Gen 3:15. Jesus spoke through His Prophets so, yes, they did know. Many rebelled though, just like today.

Scripture says there is only one gospel, not two. Not two ways to be saved, just one. Through the blood of Jesus by faith. Eph 2:8
 
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SabbathBlessing said:
The promise of Jesus was in Genesis right after the fall of man.Gen 3:15. Jesus spoke through His Prophets so, yes, they did know.
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No they didn't. Where so you get these things?

Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: Romans 16:25-26​
 
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No they didn't. Where so you get these things?

Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: Romans 16:25-26​
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Jesus was not kept secret, read the OT starting with Gen 3:15 I’m short for time, but I will provide many quotes that say otherwise, you have a misunderstanding of what Paul is saying here. There are many mysteries in the Bible, but God’s people knew of the coming Messiah
 
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Jesus was not kept secret, read the OT starting with Gen 3:15 I’m short for time, but I will provide many quotes that say otherwise, you have a misunderstanding of what Paul is saying here. There are many mysteries in the Bible, but God’s people knew of the coming Messiah
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It was there, but hidden in mystery until the spirit was given to be able to understand. They knew a messiah was coming, but they didn;t know he would die on a cross.

But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the rulers of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 1 Corinthians 2:7-8​
 
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It was there, but hidden in mystery until the spirit was given to be able to understand. They knew a messiah was coming, but they didn;t know he would die on a cross.

But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the rulers of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 1 Corinthians 2:7-8​
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Psalms 22, Isaiah 53
 
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Is it quitting time at the Seventh Day Adventist recruiting office? OK well have a good night.
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I have never tried to recruit anyone here to SDA. I like to discuss scripture and biblical Truth. Jesus commissioned us to teach each other the commandments as we need to repent for the Kingdom is at hand because our time is drawing near. I am going to forgo all the accusations in your posts towards me as more spiritual growth needed. Hope you have a nice night too.
 
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SabbathBlessing said:
Lets see what the bible says:

Adam and Eve were blessed when they obeyed God, but the moment they disobeyed and listened to the "other spirit" in the garden that said they didn't really have to obey God, they wouldn't really die and listening to "the other spirit" over God, everything was cursed and they were thrown out of Eden. The devil still uses the same tricks that sadly people believe over God.


Deut 30:15 “See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil, 16 in that I command you today to love the Lord your God, to walk in His ways, and to keep His commandments, His statutes, and His judgments, that you may live and multiply; and the Lord your God will bless you in the land which you go to possess. 17 But if your heart turns away so that you do not hear, and are drawn away, and worship other gods and serve them, 18 I announce to you today that you shall surely perish; you shall not prolong your days in the land which you cross over the Jordan to go in and possess. 19 I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live; 20 that you may love the Lord your God, that you may obey His voice, and that you may cling to Him, for He is your life and the length of your days; and that you may dwell in the land which the Lord swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to give them.”

God does not change, He says He doesn't yet no one believes Him.

The curse is still there Rom 6:23, while many don't see it yet, they will as Judgement is the last day. We have another option and that is through faith and the help of the Holy Spirit we can obey Him by our cooperation and great love for Jesus. But sadly many still listen to the voice in the garden telling us the opposite of what God said.

God wants to bless us. but He wants His children to trust in Him, even if it doesn't make sense like sacrificing Issac, or keeping the seventh day Sabbath holy, His ways our above our ways and if we place our faith in Him over self, He promises to take care of our needs. I know this first hand when I started keeping the Sabbath at many great sacrifices but God has blessed me ten-fold just as He promises.


Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,


Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Without God's blessing we are nothing. And only He can reverse His blessing Num 23:20 man can't despite how hard they try.
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Job obeyed God and things happened to him that wasn't good. Was he lacking something?

There are reasons why Christians who do everything right, yet blessings can be far and few between on this earth.

The devil will throw christians in prison no matter if they believe one of his tricks or not.
 
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Job obeyed God and things happened to him that wasn't good. Was he lacking something?

There are reasons why Christians who do everything right, yet blessings can be far and few between on this earth.

The devil will throw christians in prison no matter if they believe one of his tricks or not.
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God tests us, like he did with Adam and Eve, like he did with Job and he stayed faithful, even though his whole life fell apart. God asked for one day, to set aside each week, the seventh day Sabbath Exo 20:8-11, to spend time with us on the day He designated. He wants to give us rest and bless Isa 56:2 and sanctify us Eze 20:12 , but sadly men reject this and claim its “bondage”.
 
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