the Sabbath

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Gideon300

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It states that a covenant cannot put into effect without shedding of blood.. Hebrews 9:18,19
Luke 22:
19And He took the bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body, given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” 20In the same way, after supper He took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is poured out for you
 

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"These people who are encouraging you to follow the Sabbath and God’s commandments are actually doing you a big favor. They're trying to help you reconnect with the teachings of Jesus, which many seem to have forgotten. You might know the basics about Jesus, like how He died for our sins, but there’s so much more to His message. He also called us to follow Him, yet many choose to follow other paths instead. It's worth reconsidering where that leads you and whether you're truly following His example."
I am connected to Jesus already. I know His teachings. It's a shame that sabbath obsessed focus only on a few.
 
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I'm not one to say that the majority is always right. It's not true for a start. However, Seventh Day Adventists and their ilk have been pushing their Saturday sabbath and legalistic interpretation since the denomination started.

It was promoted by E.G. White, who saw a vision of the commandment highlighted, supposedly by God. The problem is that Christ introduced the New Covenant in His precious blood, where the Law and commandments have been superseded by the Law of the Spirit of Life in Him.

It is wrong for Christians to sow discord. I don't argue with an Anglican baby sprinkler. He has some valid arguments to support his theology. I don't agree, but I'd rather keep quiet than ruin fellowship. He's friendlier than any other pastor I've met in my area. He does not try to justify his baby sprinkling to me either.

Too many Christians fight over non-issues. KJV only. OSAS, the rapture, end times, who the antichrist is, the shape of the globe, various conspiracies etc. Meanwhile, 170,000 people die each day, many going to to hell, some wondering why Christians are so divided.

I have some time to put my point of view, which I can justify from God's word. I do not expect to change the mind of those who are pushing their particular barrow. I do hope to put a Biblical counter view for the sake of those who might be persuaded by the barrow pushers.
My reason for sharing my fallible faith with folks is hoping they will find what I have learned from infancy helpful for understanding ultimate truth and we will have fellowship. When I encounter someone who has a contradictory understanding, I want to learn which is the better belief, to admit when I am wrong, and then amend my website! (2TM 3:14-4:2, 1JN 1:3 :^)
 

Gideon300

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Jesus quoted Deut:
[Deu 6:5 KJV] 5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
and Lev.
[Lev 19:18 KJV] 18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I [am] the LORD.
Good one. Now tell me how you obey those commandments. The problem is not with the law, but with the people who are required to keep it. It's not even that the commandments are too hard. It is quite simply that there is nothing in the heart of man that wants to obey God. Only a new nature will suffice, as God said through Ezekiel.

Even God's elite, King David committed murder and adultery. He knew the law thoroughly, but that did not enable him to keep it.
 

Aaron56

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Did Abraham have the sabbath day
No. The sabbath day commandment was given at Horeb (Sinai) only to those who were there. Specifically not to Abraham nor any patriarch.

Deut 5: “The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3 The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive.”
 
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Luke 22:
19And He took the bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body, given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” 20In the same way, after supper He took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is poured out for you
Bread and cup points to His body and blood before His sacrificial death (symbolism). But the actual covenant comes to effect on the cross.

As in Hebrews 8:16,17.."in the case of a covenant or will, it is necessary to prove the death of the one who made it, because a covenant/will is in force only when somebody has died, it never takes effect while the one who made it is living"..
 

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No. The sabbath day commandment was given at Horeb (Sinai) only to those who were there. Specifically not to Abraham nor any patriarch.

Deut 5: “The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3 The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive.”
correct.

though some refuse to see it.
 

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4So the law became our guardian to lead us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25Now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian."

A guardian is only for the immature.
If it's talking about the law that was added, the cerimonial laws, I agree.

But sin still happens today.
Even Christians fall.

How are they guilty if there is no law.

justification is wonderful but do you believe in sanctification?
 

TMS

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Exactly right. The law has done its job once it leads people to Christ.

1 Timothy 1:

"8Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it legitimately. 9We realize that law is not enacted for the righteous, but for the lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinful, for the unholy and profane, for killers of father or mother, for murderers, 10for the sexually immoral, for homosexuals, for slave traders and liars and perjurers, and for anyone else who is averse to sound teaching 11that agrees with the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted."

Galatians 3:

"19Why then was the law given? It was added because of transgressions, until the arrival of the seed to whom the promise referred. It was administered through angels by a mediator. 20A mediator is unnecessary, however, for only one party; but God is one.

21Is the law, then, opposed to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come from the law. 22But the Scripture pronounces all things confined by sin, so that by faith in Jesus Christ the promise might be given to those who believe.

23Before this faith came, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. 24So the law became our guardian to lead us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25Now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian."

A guardian is only for the immature.
Old and New Testament all are saved by faith. Faith is not new to the time after Christ.

The law that was added because of transgression is not the 10 commandments.

The principles of love that keep us from sin are always present..
No law = no sin
Added because of sin ....
There must of been laws defining sin before the first sin.

Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

The 10 commandments were all in place before Sinai.
Read the morals of the people. Joseph knew that it was wrong to commit adultery. Cain was punished for murder.
They have always been wrong. Should I say they are acceptable to break today?
 

Gideon300

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Bread and cup points to His body and blood before His sacrificial death (symbolism). But the actual covenant comes to effect on the cross.

As in Hebrews 8:16,17.."in the case of a covenant or will, it is necessary to prove the death of the one who made it, because a covenant/will is in force only when somebody has died, it never takes effect while the one who made it is living"..
I go by what Jesus said. His death and resurrection were as certain as night follows day.
If it's talking about the law that was added, the cerimonial laws, I agree.

But sin still happens today.
Even Christians fall.

How are they guilty if there is no law.

justification is wonderful but do you believe in sanctification?
I am sanctified because of Christ. He is my wisdom and my sanctification. (1 Corinthians 1:30). I no longer shun sin because a set of rules condemn me if I sin. I have an inbuilt desire not to sin. That does not mean that I never sin. But no set of rules is of any use to me.

Israel had the Law and the covenant. It was of no value to them. But for the Christian, ".....Christ is the end of the law, to bring righteousness to everyone who believes."

Unbelievers still have a conscience. Romans 2:

…14Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15So they show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts either accusing or defending them.......

Again, the law is useful neither for salvation nor sanctification. If it could save, Jesus died for nothing.

If the unbeliever has knowledge of right and wrong, how much more the believer? More, we have the power to resist and sin. I could n not accurately quote the ten commandments. And in any case, they were given to Israel, not to the Gentiles. I am not a Jew.

What you call sanctification, the Bible calls the salvation of the soul. This is a big subject and I'll leave that for later, if you are interested.
 
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The Sabbath was God's day of rest. He had created our reality and then he stopped to let our history play out. That is how He rested because God does not need to rest. We are living in God's 7th day (the Sabbath) and we should keep our every days holy by loving God, worshiping Him, thanking him, and obeying Him by loving all people as we love ourselves on a daily basis.