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Gideon300

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It states that a covenant cannot put into effect without shedding of blood.. Hebrews 9:18,19
Luke 22:
19And He took the bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body, given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” 20In the same way, after supper He took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is poured out for you
 

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"These people who are encouraging you to follow the Sabbath and God’s commandments are actually doing you a big favor. They're trying to help you reconnect with the teachings of Jesus, which many seem to have forgotten. You might know the basics about Jesus, like how He died for our sins, but there’s so much more to His message. He also called us to follow Him, yet many choose to follow other paths instead. It's worth reconsidering where that leads you and whether you're truly following His example."
I am connected to Jesus already. I know His teachings. It's a shame that sabbath obsessed focus only on a few.
 
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I'm not one to say that the majority is always right. It's not true for a start. However, Seventh Day Adventists and their ilk have been pushing their Saturday sabbath and legalistic interpretation since the denomination started.

It was promoted by E.G. White, who saw a vision of the commandment highlighted, supposedly by God. The problem is that Christ introduced the New Covenant in His precious blood, where the Law and commandments have been superseded by the Law of the Spirit of Life in Him.

It is wrong for Christians to sow discord. I don't argue with an Anglican baby sprinkler. He has some valid arguments to support his theology. I don't agree, but I'd rather keep quiet than ruin fellowship. He's friendlier than any other pastor I've met in my area. He does not try to justify his baby sprinkling to me either.

Too many Christians fight over non-issues. KJV only. OSAS, the rapture, end times, who the antichrist is, the shape of the globe, various conspiracies etc. Meanwhile, 170,000 people die each day, many going to to hell, some wondering why Christians are so divided.

I have some time to put my point of view, which I can justify from God's word. I do not expect to change the mind of those who are pushing their particular barrow. I do hope to put a Biblical counter view for the sake of those who might be persuaded by the barrow pushers.
My reason for sharing my fallible faith with folks is hoping they will find what I have learned from infancy helpful for understanding ultimate truth and we will have fellowship. When I encounter someone who has a contradictory understanding, I want to learn which is the better belief, to admit when I am wrong, and then amend my website! (2TM 3:14-4:2, 1JN 1:3 :^)
 

Gideon300

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Jesus quoted Deut:
[Deu 6:5 KJV] 5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
and Lev.
[Lev 19:18 KJV] 18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I [am] the LORD.
Good one. Now tell me how you obey those commandments. The problem is not with the law, but with the people who are required to keep it. It's not even that the commandments are too hard. It is quite simply that there is nothing in the heart of man that wants to obey God. Only a new nature will suffice, as God said through Ezekiel.

Even God's elite, King David committed murder and adultery. He knew the law thoroughly, but that did not enable him to keep it.
 

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Did Abraham have the sabbath day
No. The sabbath day commandment was given at Horeb (Sinai) only to those who were there. Specifically not to Abraham nor any patriarch.

Deut 5: “The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3 The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive.”
 
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Luke 22:
19And He took the bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body, given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” 20In the same way, after supper He took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is poured out for you
Bread and cup points to His body and blood before His sacrificial death (symbolism). But the actual covenant comes to effect on the cross.

As in Hebrews 8:16,17.."in the case of a covenant or will, it is necessary to prove the death of the one who made it, because a covenant/will is in force only when somebody has died, it never takes effect while the one who made it is living"..
 

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No. The sabbath day commandment was given at Horeb (Sinai) only to those who were there. Specifically not to Abraham nor any patriarch.

Deut 5: “The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3 The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive.”
correct.

though some refuse to see it.
 

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4So the law became our guardian to lead us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25Now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian."

A guardian is only for the immature.
If it's talking about the law that was added, the cerimonial laws, I agree.

But sin still happens today.
Even Christians fall.

How are they guilty if there is no law.

justification is wonderful but do you believe in sanctification?
 

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Exactly right. The law has done its job once it leads people to Christ.

1 Timothy 1:

"8Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it legitimately. 9We realize that law is not enacted for the righteous, but for the lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinful, for the unholy and profane, for killers of father or mother, for murderers, 10for the sexually immoral, for homosexuals, for slave traders and liars and perjurers, and for anyone else who is averse to sound teaching 11that agrees with the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted."

Galatians 3:

"19Why then was the law given? It was added because of transgressions, until the arrival of the seed to whom the promise referred. It was administered through angels by a mediator. 20A mediator is unnecessary, however, for only one party; but God is one.

21Is the law, then, opposed to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come from the law. 22But the Scripture pronounces all things confined by sin, so that by faith in Jesus Christ the promise might be given to those who believe.

23Before this faith came, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. 24So the law became our guardian to lead us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25Now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian."

A guardian is only for the immature.
Old and New Testament all are saved by faith. Faith is not new to the time after Christ.

The law that was added because of transgression is not the 10 commandments.

The principles of love that keep us from sin are always present..
No law = no sin
Added because of sin ....
There must of been laws defining sin before the first sin.

Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

The 10 commandments were all in place before Sinai.
Read the morals of the people. Joseph knew that it was wrong to commit adultery. Cain was punished for murder.
They have always been wrong. Should I say they are acceptable to break today?
 

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Bread and cup points to His body and blood before His sacrificial death (symbolism). But the actual covenant comes to effect on the cross.

As in Hebrews 8:16,17.."in the case of a covenant or will, it is necessary to prove the death of the one who made it, because a covenant/will is in force only when somebody has died, it never takes effect while the one who made it is living"..
I go by what Jesus said. His death and resurrection were as certain as night follows day.
If it's talking about the law that was added, the cerimonial laws, I agree.

But sin still happens today.
Even Christians fall.

How are they guilty if there is no law.

justification is wonderful but do you believe in sanctification?
I am sanctified because of Christ. He is my wisdom and my sanctification. (1 Corinthians 1:30). I no longer shun sin because a set of rules condemn me if I sin. I have an inbuilt desire not to sin. That does not mean that I never sin. But no set of rules is of any use to me.

Israel had the Law and the covenant. It was of no value to them. But for the Christian, ".....Christ is the end of the law, to bring righteousness to everyone who believes."

Unbelievers still have a conscience. Romans 2:

…14Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15So they show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts either accusing or defending them.......

Again, the law is useful neither for salvation nor sanctification. If it could save, Jesus died for nothing.

If the unbeliever has knowledge of right and wrong, how much more the believer? More, we have the power to resist and sin. I could n not accurately quote the ten commandments. And in any case, they were given to Israel, not to the Gentiles. I am not a Jew.

What you call sanctification, the Bible calls the salvation of the soul. This is a big subject and I'll leave that for later, if you are interested.
 
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The Sabbath was God's day of rest. He had created our reality and then he stopped to let our history play out. That is how He rested because God does not need to rest. We are living in God's 7th day (the Sabbath) and we should keep our every days holy by loving God, worshiping Him, thanking him, and obeying Him by loving all people as we love ourselves on a daily basis.
 
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Lets take a look at Isaiah 66 because its definitely not something that has happened yet.


15 For behold, the Lord will come with fire
And with His chariots, like a whirlwind,
To render His anger with fury,
And His rebuke with flames of fire.
16 For by fire and by His sword
The Lord will judge all flesh; (judgement is the last day John 12:48)
And the slain of the Lord shall be many.
17 “Those who sanctify themselves and purify themselves,
To go to the gardens
[a]After an idol in the midst,
Eating swine’s flesh and the abomination and the mouse,
Shall be consumed together,” says the Lord.
18 “For I know their works and their thoughts. It shall be that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come and see My glory. 19 I will set a sign among them; and those among them who escape I will send to the nations: to Tarshish and [c]Pul and Lud, who draw the bow, and Tubal and Javan, to the coastlands afar off who have not heard My fame nor seen My glory. And they shall declare My glory among the Gentiles. 20 Then they shall bring all your brethren for an offering to the Lord out of all nations, on horses and in chariots and in litters, on mules and on camels, to My holy mountain Jerusalem,” says the Lord, “as the children of Israel (God's people) bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the Lord. 21 And I will also take some of them for priests and Levites,” says the Lord.

22 “For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

This is obviously about the Lords Second Coming which has not happened. A prophecy that has yet to be fulfilled think Mat 5:18

The Sabbath was part of God's perfect plan of Creation, in the beginning God worked 6 days and rested on the seventh day so He could bless Isa 56:2 and sanctify man Eze 20:11 because man cannot sanctify ourselves, we need God for everything- see those who try Isa 66:17 which is why the Sabbath was made for man Mar 2:27 man was made on the sixth day in the likeness and image of God Gen 1:26 to be followers of Christ. God rested on the seventh day not because He needed rest, it was made for special communion time with God in His presence. The Sabbath never ended which is why we see it all throughout the entire bible, but the curse of sin separated God in His physical presence from man. This verse shows that curse (isa 66:23) was reversed for His saints to worship Him on the Sabbath back in His presence.

This is not about worshipping Him 24/7 as people mistakenly read into this verse- we should worship God 24/7 now, but God understands we have works and labors that need to happen in order to survive so He gave us 6 days to do this Exo 20:9 and only asked for one day back- the seventh day Sabbath Exo 20:8-11, that He made holy, that He sanctified, that He blessed that no man can reverse, and not sure why anyone would want to.

When the saints are in heaven they will not be coming before the Lord 24/7 for worship. If we did the same thing every day, it would lose its specialness.

God tells us the saints will be doing things in heaven, like tending to vineyards, building houses Isa 65:21 so there will be "work" in heaven.

But from one Sabbath to another- meaning from week to week on the Sabbath and from one New Moon to another- which just means New Month- notice that the word "festival" is missing because its not about sacrifices, Jesus made that clear that ended at the Cross fulfilled in Christ as He because our Sacrificial Lamb.

So every Sabbath and every New Month "all flesh" not just Jews as someone indicated- there is no Jew or Gentile in God's Promise Ga; 3:26-29 we are grafted in by faith will come before the Lord once again in His physical presence to worship before Him. Just like it was in the Garden before the curse of sin separated man from God Isa 59:2. Not on the Sabbath we should worship Him in Spirit.

I know I want to be there and I know I need God's blessing and sanctification that no man can take away, no matter how hard they try. Once God's blesses, man cannot reverse Num 23:20 because man is not God.

Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.

2. Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

We either have God's blessing or we won't. I say today is the day we hear His voice and come out of our rebellion to Him Heb 3:7-8 and worship Him in Truth and Spirit John 4:22-23 and all of God's commandments are Truth Psa 119:151 even the commandment God said Remember- because He knew man would forget that is holy and blessed by God. God is calling us out of Babalayan or false teachings Rev 18:4 before its too late. Trust God, He knows what He is doing.
 
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Old and New Testament all are saved by faith. Faith is not new to the time after Christ.

The law that was added because of transgression is not the 10 commandments.

The principles of love that keep us from sin are always present..
No law = no sin
Added because of sin ....
There must of been laws defining sin before the first sin.

Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

The 10 commandments were all in place before Sinai.
Read the morals of the people. Joseph knew that it was wrong to commit adultery. Cain was punished for murder.
They have always been wrong. Should I say they are acceptable to break today?
Yes. Didn't Adam and Eve break the very first commandment to have no other gods before Me, when they listened to the other spirit over obeying God. Didn't Eve covet when she looked at the forbidden fruit and saw that it was pleasing to the eye. Didn't she steal from God when He told them they could eat from any tree but that one. They sinned because they broke God's law Rom 4:15 just like Lucifer did in heaven 1 John 3:8. They broke the Sabbath because in God's rest, there is no unrest, meaning no one would violate any of the commandments Isa 48:18 No law- no sin. God did not leave it up to man to write His holy and perfect law, He divinely wrote it, He spoke it and claimed the unit of Ten as His- Exo 20:6. Man is not above God to edit even a dot of an i or cross of a t, yet alone an entire commandment, the one God said- Remember- that He blessed, sanctified and made holy from Creation, because man is not God.
 
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Good one. Now tell me how you obey those commandments. The problem is not with the law, but with the people who are required to keep it. It's not even that the commandments are too hard. It is quite simply that there is nothing in the heart of man that wants to obey God. Only a new nature will suffice, as God said through Ezekiel.

Even God's elite, King David committed murder and adultery. He knew the law thoroughly, but that did not enable him to keep it.
This is the point of the New Covenant and why it is established on better promises Heb 8:6, as God said, it is not established on new laws as man teach wrongly. You can't make something perfect for converting the soul more perfect Psa 19:7

God is the one doing in the New Covenant- which is a much better promise God doing versus man trying to do but can't because we need God for everything.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

But it requires our cooperation, love and faith, why its a conditional promise

John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

There is nothing we can do on our own, but through Christ all things are possible Phil 4:13 including overcoming sin and keep His commandments.

God promises He has a faithful people that do this.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Faith of Jesus, not faith in Jesus. What was Jesus faith of Jesus. Did He keep all the commandments and told us if we abide in Him, to follow Him?

John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.
1 John 2:6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

We are told whoever we obey is who we serve so its all about our choices. Sin unto death obedience unto righteousness Rom 6:16

This is the faith that reconciles us trusting in God that what He asks if only for our own good.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
 

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1Jn 2:4 If anyone says, “I know Him,” but does not keep His commandments, he is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
read on to the next chapter of 1st John, and John explains that His commands are " believe in the name of the Son and love one another".

not keep the Sabbath.
 
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read on to the next chapter of 1st John, and John explains that His commands are " believe in the name of the Son and love one another".

not keep the Sabbath.
You get rid of the Sabbath commandment you get rid of thou shalt have no other god's before Me. James 2:10-12 The Ten Commandments Exo 34:28 Deut 4:13 were never suggestions or multiple choice.

Its not just believing in His name its be- living Jesus. What faith did Jesus have- how did He live. If we believe in Jesus we would believe His teaching, such as live by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God quoting from the OT Mat 4:4
 

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read on to the next chapter of 1st John, and John explains that His commands are " believe in the name of the Son and love one another".

not keep the Sabbath.
To ignore God's commandments knowingly is not a good thing. in 1 john we also find;
1Jn 2:3 By this we can be sure that we have come to know Him: if we keep His commandments.
1Jn 2:4 If anyone says, “I know Him,” but does not keep His commandments, he is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 3:22 and we will receive from Him whatever we ask, because we keep His commandments and do what is pleasing in His sight.
1Jn 3:24 Whoever keeps His commandments remains in God, and God in him. And by this we know that He remains in us: by the Spirit He has given us.
1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God: when we love God and keep His commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome,

The Sabbath is also one of GOD's commandments, it is a sign between God and his people, gentile or Jew who love him and do his will.

Believing in the son of GOD who IS Jesus our Savior means also to follow him and his teachings!