The Sinful Charge of Idolatry Against King James Bible Believers

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KJB believers only believe the King James Bible is inspired by God in so much that it is an accurate translation of the originals. The King James Bible or the translators were not in and of themselves inspired by God. If any Bible in any language is qualified to be called infallible its the King James Bible since it has established itself for these past four hundred years and has been and continues to be used by true Christians <<HERE WE GO!! since its creation. No Bible comes anywhere close to being a contender as to being the preservation of God's inspired word.

I was waiting for something like that.
What exactly is that supposed to mean anyway?
Why the qualifier "true Christians"?
Why can't "true Christians" be using a different Bible?
What if we use both? Is that being a true Christian on Monday and a false Christian on Tuesday?

Have you been able to find someone to call you an idolater yet?:rolleyes:
 
If it was good enough for Paul and Silas...it should be good enough for us!...:rolleyes:

Thou dost surely maketh light, but alas, "A merry heart doeth good like a medicine: but a broken spirit drieth the bones."
 
. . .any Bible in any language . . .
No Bible comes anywhere close to being a contender as to being the preservation of God's inspired word.

what about the Greek manuscripts that have been around for more than 4 times as long as the KJV?
you think the KJV is more accurate than they are?
that seems to be your position as far as Matthew 23:24 is concerned.

i don't want to go on "quibbling over words" with you much longer, but i wanted it to become clear just why it's so often said of "KJV believers" that they at least border on idolatry in their supplication to this particular translation.

if you're willing to toss out the Greek that the KJV was translated from​ in order to keep the KJV in such a high place in your heart, well i guess it's clear.
 
No, I don't think so, there were good translations that predated the King James Bible that were not quite perfect as the King James Bible is the culmination of the efforts of good men since William Tyndale began translating the Bible out of the Greek and tongues.

What about those translations since the KJV?? Would you say they are not inspired by God and, by definition, an idol because they were carved out by men?
 
LOL....it's all greek to me!...personally I would not recommend a new convert to read the KJV...all that crazy English...the words mean different things to us now in our modern use of certain words...and of course King Jimmie told the translators to translate words that reflected the current view of " the church, leadership view of their day, and the political state at the time"

That being said if I had nothing else I would definitely read it and thank God for it. Despite the mis-translations in words..the core message of Christ and salvation is there!

All translations have bias in them from the translators. The Holy Spirit has the ultimate interpretation. :eek:




agreed; i want to study Greek too :)
 
oh so you agree that Matthew 23:24 should read "strain out a gnat" ?

since the verb "strain at" is not in the Greek?

if you're concerned with accuracy of translation, i think you should agree that the KJV is not accurate in this instance.
if you're more concerned with "being a KJV believer" than you are with accuracy of translation however . . .

Just as the word "at" is not in the text neither is the word "out". You cannot prove that "at" is inaccurate.
 
Just as the word "at" is not in the text neither is the word "out". You cannot prove that "at" is inaccurate.

the word "to strain out" is in the text. but it's not in the KJV.

the word "to strain at" is not in the text. but it is in the KJV.

were you even reading my posts? one does not "sift at" something. one "sifts out"

anyway, you've made it clear where your loyalty is and what your heart's after -- and it's not "accuracy"
 
The Pharisess issue was with the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith... the gnat. They omittted the gnat, why did they omit the gnat?

you do realize that your logic is calling a gnat the "weightier" thing in comparison to a camel, don't you?
i think that ought to give you pause.
;)
 
The Pharisee was being called out. because they mastered in the minor things (tithing of their small gardens,) which is represented by the gnat, and gave minor creedance to the weightier matters, justice mercy and faithfulness.

ie they were majoring in the minors (straining out a gnat is quite simple) while minoring in the majors (swallowing a camel is quite hard) thus they were blind guides, They watered down the law. to make it appear they were following it. when in reality, they were missing the most important part.

as for strain at a gnat. (kjv) it is either a false interpretation (you do not strain at a nat. you put something through a strainer to strain OUT a gnat) or this is another one of those outdated English sayings, which was proper in 1611, but is not proper English today..

Either way, the KJV is proven to be flawed. (outright error. or outdated)


 
The KJV is a lovely version and I read it myself sometimes.
King James commissioned scholars to translate the Bible for the Church of England. My question is, why does the CofE use other versions as well?

As far as Im concerned what translation people are using is up to the individual. If people want to stick to the KJV, the NIV or even dare I mention the Douay translation it is entirely up to them. I'm not sure whether the C of E still uses the KJV at all. The modern translation I have seen being used by them looks like a rush job put together by a committee to me but that is just my opinion. I am sure there are some who love it somewhere.
 
LOL....it's all greek to me!...personally I would not recommend a new convert to read the KJV...all that crazy English...the words mean different things to us now in our modern use of certain words...and of course King Jimmie told the translators to translate words that reflected the current view of " the church, leadership view of their day, and the political state at the time"

That being said if I had nothing else I would definitely read it and thank God for it. Despite the mis-translations in words..the core message of Christ and salvation is there!

All translations have bias in them from the translators. The Holy Spirit has the ultimate interpretation. :eek:

If only the KJV is perfect does that mean all foreign Bibles are imperfect and everyone needs to learn 17th century English to be saved? Is that joke about God being an Englishman true after all? The person who started this thread should have written the Monty Python scripts, preferably in King James English.
 
I'm here. I was asleep.

I'll be kind here. KJV-Onlyism is absolutely idolatry and absolutely responsible for many cults and cultish behaviours.
I believe every word in the KJV is the word of God, I beleive it is inerrant and and it means exactly what it says. My understanding of God and the Christian is faith is based soley on the words of the KJV bible... How does that make me an idolator?
 
This proves that the KJV is not perfect. In Acts 15, James quoted a prophecy in Amos 9:12. It matches the translation found in the Septuagint. The KJV is different.

Amos 9:12 in Acts 15 (KJV)
That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. Acts 15:17​

Amos 9:12 in the Septuagint
That the remnant of men, and all the Gentiles upon whom my name is called, may earnestly seek [me], saith the Lord who does all these things. ​ Amos 9:12​

Amos 9:12 in the KJV
That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the LORD that doeth this. Amos 9:12​

Hi,
Is this your final answer? I hope it’s not!
Here are some errors to those who feel or think they have proven the KJV to be in error on the basis of the following:
1. Translational Error. I have nothing to offer you on this matter since this is not a translational error on the KJV as supposed.
2. Conjectural Emendation. It means to “change the text to what you think it should be.” This process use by the Bible Critic is giving an “educated guess”. This thinking is originated by Origen from the standpoint of Platonic philosophy. A classic example of “Conjectural emendation” is found in Mark 1:2 on the basis that the quotation is from Isaiah. But verse 2 quotes Malachi and verse 3 quotes Isaiah. The KJV is correct on this matter. The LXX is which is so far cited in the above statement is the work of Origen found in his HEXAPLA, a six column polyglot Old Testament. Yet again the statement above does not indulged in a sort of “conjectural emendation.”
3. Scribal Error. Beware of Bible critics/correctors which tend to point “scribal errors” as a means of overcoming Bible difficulties. Example of this is in Matthew 19:24 where textual critics say the word “kameelos” (Camel) was originally “kamelos” (rope) and some scribes messed up. But then again, the above statement is not a scribal error.
4. Typo error. I really doubt that this is a typo error, although it is stated as quoted saying “it is written” to what James says and what the italics on your above statement seems to employ.
5. Interpretational Fallacies. The above problem presents more on the interpretation of the text over other errors as pointed. Context of the passage is very important. Apostle Paul and Barnabas during the council of Jerusalem declared “all things” that God had done on them.

Act 15:4 And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.
I see where you coming from but you missed a “word” or “a phrase” in the context of Acts 15 that makes the KJV correct. According to Amos, even though Israel sinned and judgment must fall, still God’s plan for the house of David and promise to Abraham have not failed and will ultimately be realized. Though it is marred, it is not beyond God’s ability to repair. Yes, there’s nothing difficult to Him. The question that of “heathen” being called by God by his name is not impossible to Him. Yes, He surely can do this!

Amos 9:11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:
Amos 9:12 That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the LORD that doeth this.

The passage was quoted then by James in Acts 15 to demonstrate God’s intention to save the Jews and Gentiles alike. Can the Lord does saving the Jews and Gentiles alike. Yes, it is the “Lord, who doeth all these things”.

Acts 15:16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
Acts 15:17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things

Now, Amos said “LORD that doeth this” in bold typed faced is in singular form.
While James says “ these things” in plural form.
Reconciliation:
Amos = the passage is centered in the people of Israel. (singular)
Luke the writer of Acts as quoted by James = focuses on the JEW’s and the Gentiles as per context (plural)

But where’s Edom and the heathen as Amos said? Why James didn’t say anything where in he says “as it is written” Did James quotation incorrect?

The answer to the seeming problem is that the scripture says:
Acts 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,

Thus the word “Gentiles “as per Acts account is still in agreement with the words “ Edom and the heathen.” In agreement that is period.

Well, I was just only fascinated with your Avatar not to deride as something implying or saying but “HeRoseFromtheDead” who?
Jesus
Lazarus
Women (Hebrews 11:35)

I’ll take my pick. It’s Jesus!

God cares,