The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[Dino246]

. ... Like yourself, ... who love their sin "disobedience" while maintaining their delusion of

Your baseless insults will stand against you at the judgment.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

No, that would keep it the Old Covenant: a change of location does not make "new". To be new, well, it has to be new, as-in completely new. Therefore, the law that accompanies the New Covenant also had to change from Old Covenant law. The law of the Old Covenant makes no provision for mercy and grace but only judgment for those who seek to be justified by it, and the blood of bulls and goats, which sacrifice was demanded by that law, could never take away sins. With the New Covenant came a new priesthood and a new priesthood demanded a change of law (not a change to its location). For those whom God chose to place under the New Covenant - solely by being placed under it - their sins are forgiven and they become saved. For them the satisfying of any law is not demanded because Christ already achieved that on their behalf.

[Heb 7:11-19 KJV]
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need [was there] that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For [it is] evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
17 For he testifieth, Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope [did]; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

The very verses you quote tell us the law its referring to and why it had to change in its context.

 

[Soyeong]

False

The Torah is truth (Psalms 119:142) and you are opposed to following Christ's example of embodying truth.

 

[vassal]

Yes, funny, because the judgement of the one calling "false prophet", is totally invalid. The point you are unable to comprehend is that
through Christ, the commandments were changed. If they hadn't been then He would not be the Savior that we are informed, in no uncertain terms, He is.

yeah you are a false teacher, Deuteronomy is clear about it, the commandments were changed? you speak of the 2 and think they replace the 10? why did Jesus spend such a large portion of his ministry to teach all Ten Commandments and explain their proper meaning and application and gave us examples on how to follow them? for nothing? Wake up before its too late

 

[rogerg]

yeah you are a false teacher, Deuteronomy is clear about it, the commandments were changed? you speak of the 2 and think they replace the 10? why did Jesus spend such a large portion of his ministry to teach all Ten Commandments and explain their proper meaning and application and gave us examples on how to follow them? for nothing? Wake up before its too late

And you don't comprehend Christ and His salvation but instead trust in the works of law. Who then is the false teacher? I preach Christ alone. Do you? If not, then it is you, and those of your ilk, who are the false teachers.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

And you don't comprehend Christ and His salvation but instead trust in the works of law. Who then is the false teacher? I preach Christ alone. Do you? If not, then it is you, and those of your ilk, who are the false teachers.

How does God tell us to love Him in Scripture. Is Christ a false teacher by asking what He wants from His children if we love Him. If we do not have love, what do we have? No one has Christ without loving Him, this is a deception. No one knows Christ without doing what He asks- they may know of Him, but not know Him.

1 John2:4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

All of the commandments of God is Truth Psa 119:151 because they were personally written by the Holy Spirit of Truth Exo31:18 and He only enables to true lover of Christ to keep them. John14:15-18 because they love Him and want to do what He asks, its their delight Psa 40:8

 

[vassal]

You accuse others of being false prophets, yet it was you who said something false and couldn't own up to it. Perhaps you ought to take a second look in the mirror. And rather than hide behind platitudes, perhaps you will actually share what someone shared that is in error. You have been critical of me in particular and I have asked you to point directly to my perceived error. Crickets. You do realize this is sin on your part?

Unfortunately some are Cameron, those who say we don't have to follow the commandments are false teachers or false prophets not enough warnings in the bible? there is plenty and they should be taken seriously.

about:"yet it was you who said something false and couldn't own up to it." what was it? dont misquote me again please

 

[vassal]

And you don't comprehend Christ and His salvation but instead trust in the works of law. Who then is the false teacher? I preach Christ alone. Do you? If not, then it is you, and those of your ilk, who are the false teachers.

can you reply to the questions?
the commandments were changed? you speak of the 2 and think they replace the 10? why did Jesus spend such a large portion of his ministry to teach all Ten Commandments and explain their proper meaning and application and gave us examples on how to follow them? for nothing? I add one more why did Jesus say to enter into life Keep the Commandments?

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Unfortunately some are Cameron, those who say we don't have to follow the commandments are false teachers or false prophets not enough warnings in the bible? there is plenty and they should be taken seriously.

about:"yet it was you who said something false and couldn't own up to it." what was it? dont misquote me again please

That's his MO. He tries to take the focus off him to try avoid having to face accountabilty so he doesn't have to change the way God wants Him to.

Good catch.


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[Soyeong]

And you don't comprehend Christ and His salvation but instead trust in the works of law. Who then is the false teacher? I preach Christ alone. Do you? If not, then it is you, and those of your ilk, who are the false teachers.

God is trustworthy, therefore His instructions are also trustworthy (Psalm 19:7), so the way to trust in God alone for our salvation is by obediently trusting in His instructions while it would be contradictory to think that we should trust in God instead of trusting in His instructions. In other words it would be contradictory to trust in God's Word made flesh alone for our salvation instead of trusting in God's Word, but rather the way to trust in him alone is by following his example of embodying God's Word. You preach Christ alone, but in practice you are rejecting Christ alone. In Deuteronomy 13, the way that God instructed to determine that someone is a false prophet is if they speak against obeying His Word.

 

[Soyeong]

There are a few people who promote false doctrine on this forum. You are certainly one of them. Anyone can grab a few scriptures to try and prove a point. You can quote some scripture to make yourself look good. But you betray yourself by condemning believers who know the truth , and that includes Dino. It's not a matter with agreeing with every doctrine and opinion. It's a matter of recognising the body of Christ, which you plainly do not.

In Proverbs 4:2, it says that sound doctrine is to not forsake the Mosaic Law. In Psalms 119:142, the Mosaic Law is truth. Christ spent his ministry teaching his followers to obey the Mosaic Law by word and by example and the body of Christ is not composed of those who refuse to follow what he taught, but other those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way that he walked (1 John 2:6).

 

[Dino246]

In Proverbs 4:2, it says that sound doctrine is to not forsake the Mosaic Law.

No, it doesn’t.

“For I give you sound teaching; Do not abandon my instruction.”
‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭4‬:‭2‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

“I give you sound learning, so do not forsake my teaching.”
‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭4‬:‭2‬ ‭NIV‬‬

“For I give you good doctrine, Forsake ye not my law.”
‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭4‬:‭2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[rogerg]

@Cameron143

"Unfortunately some are Cameron, those who say we don't have to follow the commandments are false teachers or false prophets not enough warnings in the bible? there is plenty and they should be taken seriously."

Cameron, if I am to be judged for claiming Christ as the Savior, then I wear that judgment with exceeding great joy, honor and gratitude.

 

[rogerg]

God is trustworthy, therefore His instructions are also trustworthy (Psalm 19:7), so the way to trust in God alone for our salvation is by obediently trusting in His instructions while it would be contradictory to think that we should trust in God instead of trusting in His instructions. In other words it would be contradictory to trust in God's Word made flesh alone for our salvation instead of trusting in God's Word, but rather the way to trust in him alone is by following his example of embodying God's Word. You preach Christ alone, but in practice you are rejecting Christ alone. In Deuteronomy 13, the way that God instructed to determine that someone is a false prophet is if they speak against obeying His Word.

There is only one way to salvation and that is to be saved by Christ - He is the Savior, not man, which is why He alone has the title of the Savior and man does not. Salvation by His grace, not in any way by our works. It is a free gift that He gives to His chosen.

 

[vassal]

@Cameron143

"Unfortunately some are Cameron, those who say we don't have to follow the commandments are false teachers or false prophets not enough warnings in the bible? there is plenty and they should be taken seriously."

Cameron, if I am to be judged for claiming Christ as the Savior, then I wear that judgment with exceeding great joy, honor and gratitude.

I am not judging anyone, simply stating facts. As for Cameron, he follows the commandments as he confirmed this some time ago. It is easy for anyone to say Christ is my Savior, but He did say:

If ye love me keep my commandments. (John 14:15)

And He also said:

But why do you call Me Lord Lord and not do the things which I say? (Luke 6:46)

These are not my words or my standards. They are His. And He made it unmistakably clear by whose standard we will all be measured on that final day , not ours, not any theologian's, not any church tradition's but His alone:

He who rejects Me and does not receive My words has that which judges him. The word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day. (John 12:48)

And He confirmed that His words are the only standard that will stand when everything else passes away:

Heaven and earth shall pass away but my words shall not pass away. (Matthew 24:35)

This is why it matters so deeply. We do not get to set our own standard of what following Christ looks like. He already set it Himself clearly and completely. Our only response as people who love Him is to take His words seriously, every single one of them and walk in them as best we can with the help of the Holy Spirit.

 

[rogerg]

can you reply to the questions?

I have numerous times, but you are simply unable to comprehend it.

 

[rogerg]

If ye love me keep my commandments. (John 14:15)

Under the NC, these are His commandments, not the OC commandments:

[1Jo 3:23-24 KJV]
23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

 

[pinebeach]

I do not belive you’re understanding what Jesus is saying here.

Why are the priests innocent? Because their work was not secular. They were doing the work of God. Like many Pastors preach on the Sabbath, preaching the word of God, thats their job, but God will hold them blameless because they are doing the Lord’s work. That is much different than doing secular work for our own pleasure on the holy day of the Lord. That’s breaking the Sabbath and God over and over said not to do so.

Well it doesn't matter what you believe about me then, does it. Spreading false teachings as you do, with specific reference to the Sabbath and saying if you 'profane the Sabbath' as you do, using OT scripture from Jeremiah addressed to the Israelites, is false.

See, you base your understanding on the OT while those who are secure in Christ, base our understanding on the NEW TESTAMENT, not the old covenant but the new covenant. As it is so apparent in the post above, you actually attempt to change what is plainly being said in scripture. So really, no one should give a figgie about your opinions, but should put their trust in the God of the universe who has created and has been created and who holds all our futures in His hands.

You should trust in Jesus for your salvation and not your works. Your works are soulish and not rooted in the work of the Holy Spirit who actually enables us to do the work that is approved by God.

This continuous abject false teaching of telling people they are going to hell unless they follow your own errors, is actually what is being judged even as you say it because it is not what God says and it mocks the new life we have in Christ who is actually the One God sent for our salvation.

Works, such as you do, do not save anyone. Now how about addressing the scripture below. v. 16 in particular. If you can't and you post more word salad, I don't see why you should be taken seriously.

6Therefore, just as you have received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to walk in Him, 7rooted and built up in Him, established in the faith as you were taught, and overflowing with thankfulness.

8See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, which are based on human tradition and the spiritual forces of the world rather than on Christ. 9For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity dwells in bodily form. 10And you have been made complete in Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority.

13When you were dead in your trespasses and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our trespasses, 14having canceled the debt ascribed to us in the decrees that stood against us. He took it away, nailing it to the cross! 15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.

16Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a feast, a New Moon, or a Sabbath. 17These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ. 18Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you with speculation about what he has seen. Such a person is puffed up without basis by his unspiritual mind. 19He has lost connection to the head, from whom the whole body, supported and knit together by its joints and ligaments, grows as God causes it to grow. Colossians 2666

 

[Cameron143]

Unfortunately some are Cameron, those who say we don't have to follow the commandments are false teachers or false prophets not enough warnings in the bible? there is plenty and they should be taken seriously.

about:"yet it was you who said something false and couldn't own up to it." what was it? dont misquote me again please

I quoted you exactly. You said: the purpose of the law is for us to change our hearts. Read it below.

You are a modern pharisee. SB is right, you just don't like what she says as it it makes you uncomfortable and means you would have to change. The whole purpose of the law is for us to change our hearts.

 

[pinebeach]

Those responding in this thread, should take note that the commandment/Sabbath followers/teachers/disciples, often do not respond to scripture. When they do, they will often quote only a partial post or partial verse. You will then be told that you do not understand and then you will be given a false understanding that does not line up with biblical truth.

Failing that, you are then personally attacked and the attempt is made to try and draw you into a personal confrontation in which you might be called names, called a false prophet or threatened with hellfire or judgement from God because you do not worship their teachings.

I see this too often and have at times responded in like manner to the attack and it pleases them no end because then we can ignore scripture and just trade insults. If a response is given that points out the false teaching rather than just calling someone a false whatever, it demonstrates the evidence of the manner in which scripture is put aside in order to engage a person in a total waste of time by these law followers.

I have noticed that the name calling is really getting thick in this thread and it seems that some people, who follow the law, do not take seriously the commandment to love their neighbor as themselve. But like I said, scripture will always prove the lawkeepers to be unconvinced of the truth, whether sincere or not.