The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[pinebeach]

Is it okay to transgress the law of God today?

This illustrates a point SDA members and vassal, whatever he is since he says he is not SDA, keep trying to make with regards to CHRISTIANS (believers in Christ for salvation, including all we have and are IN Him) hinting that we believe it is ok to sin.

You all know better that that. But since deception is such a large part of the SDA doctrine, you will keep on with this false narrative while pointing at the commandments that tell you not to create false witness against your neighbor. Jesus told us who are neighbors are.

 

[pinebeach]

Every word we say against another we will be accountable before God. How we judge one another is the same measure God will Judge us. Another accusation you can't actually support.

So then I guess you are fine with White's doctor ? It's hardly false witness when the good doctor presented what he did in a book you can still buy.

New flash: people commenting in this forum can all read so stop pretending you are so truthful when your deceptions are all over the place not to mention your sad threats like the one above.

Oh we are allowed to judge righteously. Try it some time so that your words actually have meaning.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

So then I guess you are fine with White's doctor ? It's hardly false witness when the good doctor presented what he did in a book you can still buy.

New flash: people commenting in this forum can all read so stop pretending you are so truthful when your deceptions are all over the place not to mention your sad threats like the one above.

Oh we are allowed to judge righteously. Try it some time so that your words actually have meaning.

This is another perfect example. You accuse us of not going "near Romans or NT", I personally quoted from both today on this site, so of course is blatantly false and than twist it to be about something else that is already twisted out of context. I am sorry you are so angry and seem to take pleasure in being the accuser of the brethren. I guess if that makes you feel better about yourself. I wish you peace for your soul.

 

[pinebeach]

Accordint to Paul, accordint to Paul , Paul this, Paul that! What about what Jesus the son of God and God himself have to say? it is very limiting to Follow only Paul and ignore the rest of scripture

Yes. Paul AND Jesus who met Saul on the road to Damascas and converted him on the spot and changed his name to Paul.

6“As I was on my way and drew near to Damascus, about noon a great light from heaven suddenly shone around me. 7And I fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to me, ‘Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?’ 8And I answered, ‘Who are you, Lord?’ And he said to me, ‘I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom you are persecuting.’ 9Now those who were with me saw the light but did not understand the voice of the one who was speaking to me. 10And I said, ‘What shall I do, Lord?’ And the Lord said to me, ‘Rise, and go into Damascus, and there you will be told all that is appointed for you to do.’ 11And since I could not see because of the brightness of that light, I was led by the hand by those who were with me, and came into Damascus.

Tough eh? Maybe we can also ask you 'It is hard for you to kick against the goads.’

Your distain for Paul's massive contribution to scripture is well known among those of us who have followed your desire to convert others back to the law.

Why is that exactly? Do you actually for one moment think or assume in any part of your mind that most people are going to hold your teaching with subliminal hints against Jesus being all we need, or, are we going to go with the entire Bible and in doing so comprehend that believers in Jesus KNOW we cannot add to the salvation provided by our Creator.

Yes, Paul indeed.

 

[vassal]

Jde 1:17
But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time,



And so, we see them that mock the words of the apostles, as not being the words of our Lord Jesus. They diminish Col 2 as only what Paul only says for himself, not what Jesus the risen Son says to His NT churches on earth.

Tit 3:10
A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.


It's very heretical to dismiss any NT Scriptures of Christ, in order to limit His churches to OT law of Moses.

The old covenant law was given by Christ to natural Israel in Exodus, and ended with His crucifixion in the gospels. Jesus Christ the man born of a Jewish virgin was under the law of Moses, beginning with circumcision on the 8th day, and continuing with the law of Sabbath until His death on a cross.

The NT Scriptures now give the law and doctrine of Christ for His churches on earth. The risen Christ's dismissal of judging a special sabbath holyday observed as by law, is in Col 2.

No apostle of Jesus Christ ever commands a sabbath holyday. Nor do they ever write of any Sabbath among the commandments of the Lord, that He gave to His apostles for His NT churches to faithfully keep.

Act 1:1
The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach, Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:

1Co 14:37
If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

2Pe 3:2
That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

9 of the old 10 commandments of the law of Moses, are given again for NT churches to obey. The old 4th is not spoken of as a NT commandment of the Lord.

i dismissed nothing just that many know only the epistles of Paul and completely ignore the rest of scripture this is what I nave been saying for years, People forgot Jesus ! jesus had other apostles than paul, they are also ignored.

 

[Just_A__Follower]

My post from my op on the White SDA doctrine. As I state you can still buy the book written by Kellogg who was obviously a sadist so no problem backing up what it is said he did. He did it and he wrote about it and White, not quite in her right mind, backed him up all the way. White also suffered from brain damage which is always covered up.

As for the adults in the room who believe Ellen White had her head screwed on right, how do you pretend it was ok for Dr Kellogg to pour acid on little girls privates so they would not touch themself? Ellen thought it was good and right but I don't think she submitted herself for the same 'treatment'. Ellen condoned the torture and permanent damage done to these children. Very godly.

You know you can still buy 'Dr' Kellogg's books...try Amazon...so you can read of these 'treatments' yourself IN HIS VERY OWN WORDS!!

I dare anyone to dismiss his filthy and obvious tendencies towards sadism as instructions from God as claimed by Ellen who had a brain injury incurred when she was young, that obviously damaged normal cognitive function, resulting in 'visions', messages from angels and great approval of the torture of female children in order to make normal reproductive function, created by God Himself, as something to be hated and avoided at all costs.

Yes, nothing to see here at all.

They won’t deny their false prophet who they worship.

 

[Qt]

These folk won't go near Romans. Or much of the rest of the New Testament either as we all know by now. I'm not sure what they make of the Holy Spirit either or prayer since the only thing that seems to be on their minds is the law...well 613 items would take up alot of room in yr brain I guess so they shorten it to 10.

That is crazy my friend. Along with making things up You seem a little combative.

 

[pinebeach]

This is another perfect example. You accuse us of not going "near Romans or NT", I personally quoted from both today on this site, so of course is blatantly false and than twist it to be about something else that is already twisted out of context. I am sorry you are so angry and seem to take pleasure in being the accuser of the brethren. I guess if that makes you feel better about yourself. I wish you peace for your soul.

I hope everyone sees what you do but in case they don't I will explain it.

You cannot every answer in a straightforward manner when presented with facts...either about the life of your mentor Ellen White OR scripture that contradicts so much of your beliefs.

So, as you are taught in your SDA Apologetics classes, you turn on the person who presents the truth and attack the person instead of defending your beliefs that are contradicted by scripture. You make every response you cannot answer honestly, about a person and not your ability to respond with truth BECAUSE your truth is not THE truth.

Get over yourself. I would hope someone of your obvious learned subjective opinions could at least make a small attempt to reply with something other than personal nonsense as you have once again inserted into the thread.

Integrity. Get some.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Wow, the accuser of the brethren is back to their work.

I can only speak for myself I worship God and God alone- God knows and He will be the Judge.

How we judge others is the same measure He judges us. So all the false allegations made, will not turn out so well in the end.

Mat 7:1“Judge not, that you be not judged
2For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you
3And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye?
4Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye?
5Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye
6“Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces

 

[pinebeach]

i dismissed nothing just that many know only the epistles of Paul and completely ignore the rest of scripture this is what I nave been saying for years, People forgot Jesus ! jesus had other apostles than paul, they are also ignored.

No one has forgotten Jesus. You on the other hand, seem to have forgotten why He had to die.

Yes, Jesus had other Apostles and if someone posts scripture from them, you ignore that also. Paul was in high regard by Peter for example, but you ignored it when I posted it some time back.

Integrity. Get some. And please stop whining about Paul. It does not suit someone of your obvious opinionated convictions.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

I hope everyone sees what you do but in case they don't I will explain it.

You cannot every answer in a straightforward manner when presented with facts...either about the life of your mentor Ellen White OR scripture that contradicts so much of your beliefs.

So, as you are taught in your SDA Apologetics classes, you turn on the person who presents the truth and attack the person instead of defending your beliefs that are contradicted by scripture. You make every response you cannot answer honestly, about a person and not your ability to respond with truth BECAUSE your truth is not THE truth.

Get over yourself. I would hope someone of your obvious learned subjective opinions could at least make a small attempt to reply with something other than personal nonsense as you have once again inserted into the thread.

Integrity. Get some.

And where is your proof that we won't go "near NT or Romans" is making up accusaitons your idea of intergrity. You are really good at accusations, not so much at actually proving them.

I am not going to spend anymore time on this I will pray for you sister.

 

[pinebeach]

We are allowed to judge.

24Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. John 7:24 Jesus words.

I judge that Ellen White's doctor was a sadist who tortured little girls and you can buy that book still, and see that I have judged righteously.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

God will be the judge if someone has judged righteously or not, not us.

Making up things like not going near Romans or NT and not apologizing for the false allegation will all be accounted for. Same way we twist about EGW- God is the only one all knowing, I would be more concerned about how we will fare on Judgement day, because saying well so and so did such and such I do not believe is going to make a difference when we stand before God based on what we did Ecc12:13-14

 

[pinebeach]

Col 2:16 is about us (man) judging others- which you also plucked from its context.

Jesus said this about how He will judge us

7 “Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.

If you want to condemn millions of people you never met, have no idea what they do, essentially putting yourself in place of God to condemn, this same standard will apply to you come judgement on the only Judge that matters and there is nothing any of us can hide from Him Ecc12:13-14

I see there is no reasoning here, so I am going to move on.

Be well.

But but but! That is exactly what you and your false Ellen White doctrine do! You teach that going to church on Sunday is the mark of the beast. So how many millions are you condemning?

Integrity. Get some.

 

[Qt]

9 of the old 10 commandments of the law of Moses, are given again for NT churches to obey. The old 4th is not spoken of as a NT commandment of the Lord.

That isn’t true. Outside of the fact of the record of Jesus and Apostles keeping it, Heb 4:9, 10 says a keeping of it remains. And Matt 24:20 shows that Jesus expected His followers to be keeping the Sabbath up to the end of time.

 

[kinda]

9 of the old 10 commandments of the law of Moses, are given again for NT churches to obey. The old 4th is not spoken of as a NT commandment of the Lord.

 

[pinebeach]

Most people miss what its really about, the mark of the beast is over worship- are we worshipping our Creator, or the government who changed God's times and laws. False worship according to Jesus in His own words is laying aside the commandment of God for traditions of men. He said it makes our worship to Him in vain (false)

Mark7: 7 And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ 8 For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men

The mark of the beast has not happened yet because we are free to worship God on the Sabbath like the commandment of God or Sunday like the tradition of man. But when the law goes in effect where Sunday worship is required and Sabbath worship is against the law that's when the mark of ten beast will take in effect. I know this seems far-fetched but they are already working on Sunday laws to pass and you don't pass laws without consequences otherwise there is no teeth to them.

So its not just "Sunday worship" that is the issue, is choosing to obey another voice other than God. Whoever we obey is who we serve or worship. Rom6:16KJV

Another Ellen White lie that SDA folk hold on to and use to excuse their passionate hatred of folks going to church on Sunday.

You can't make this stuff up. sabbath rails against someone condemming people then shows she is worse then they are.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

That isn’t true. Outside of the fact of the record of Jesus and Apostles keeping it, Heb 4:9, 10 says a keeping of it remains. And Matt 24:20 shows that Jesus expected His followers to be keeping the Sabbath up to the end of time.

Yes and for eternity thus saith the LORD Isa66:22-23

The God of love will not force someone to come before Him to worship every Sabbath for eternity in the New Heaven and New Earth if we are so opposed to it right now. Its why His Judgement is one of love.

The fact someone is claiming we should keep an unbiblical number of 9 commandments instead of the Biblical number God said Deut4:13 Exo34:28 forgetting the only commandment God said to Remember- ironic huh? I don't think so.

 

[pinebeach]

Yes and for eternity thus saith the LORD Isa66:22-23

The God of love will not force someone to come before Him to worship every Sabbath for eternity in the New Heaven and New Earth if we are so opposed to it right now. Its why His Judgement is one of love.

The fact someone is claiming we should keep an unbiblical number of 9 commandments instead of the Biblical number God said Deut4:13 Exo34:28 forgetting the only commandment God said to Remember- ironic huh? I don't think so.

Replacing Jesus actual covenant with commandments is heresy. No need for any more discussion about it today. You are your own worst enemy and don't even see it.

 

[Qt]

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