I purposefully specified the 10 in anticipation of this 'correction.' I just want to point out what you do with Jesus' commandment to come to Him with the assurance in that in obtaining rest, something better than what the 4th of the 10 offers.
The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?
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finally what you truly wanted to say. yes I agree we have to learn from Christ and follow him. Jesus invited everyone to find true rest in Him. This rest is not simply physical rest, but peace with God, freedom from the heavy burden of sin, and learning to walk in His ways.
Come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.(Matthew 11:28-30, ASV)
Jesus also spoke of the peace that comes from remaining in Him:Peace I leave with you; my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be fearful. (John 14:27, ASV)
These things have I spoken unto you, that in me ye may have peace. In the world ye have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world. (John 16:33, ASV)
He also taught that those who continue in His word find true freedom: Jesus therefore said to those Jews that had believed him, If ye abide in my word, then are ye truly my disciples; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. (John 8:31-32, ASV)
And He promised eternal Life to those who come to Him: Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall not hunger, and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. (John 6:35, ASV)
These verses show that the rest Jesus offers is found by coming to Him, learning from Him, abiding in His word, and trusting Him. It is rest for the soul, but the peace and assurance that come from walking with Christ.
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So as Paul wrote
Believers die to the law/righteousness of obeying it. Looking to it and striving to obey it in order to be acceptable to God
They are released from that, as they serve in the new way of the Spirit, not the old way of the written code
And Paul was free to give an example of one of the Ten Commandments concerning this
Because under the new covenant, we have been born again of the Spirit, we are new creations, the Holy Spirit dwells in us, and God has placed applicable law in our hearts, meaning in our hearts we want to see what is written in that law replicated in our lives.
Paul could not hav e preached this under the old covenant, for they did not have a law in their hearts, but an external written down law
An external law does not mean in your heart want to see that law replicated in your life, but a law placed in your heart does.
Believers die to the law/righteousness of obeying it. Looking to it and striving to obey it in order to be acceptable to God
They are released from that, as they serve in the new way of the Spirit, not the old way of the written code
And Paul was free to give an example of one of the Ten Commandments concerning this
Because under the new covenant, we have been born again of the Spirit, we are new creations, the Holy Spirit dwells in us, and God has placed applicable law in our hearts, meaning in our hearts we want to see what is written in that law replicated in our lives.
Paul could not hav e preached this under the old covenant, for they did not have a law in their hearts, but an external written down law
An external law does not mean in your heart want to see that law replicated in your life, but a law placed in your heart does.
Jesus was speaking to a Jewish man, not a Gentile. He challenged the Jewish man to keep the Commandments. Why? Are they the door into life? Yes and No. The commandments Jesus cites to the rich young ruler really do belong to Israel’s covenant, and in that covenant they promised life—but never as a simple reward for external compliance. Their deeper function, as Paul discovered when the Tenth Commandment finally exposed his inner coveting, was to uncover the fatal condition beneath even sincere obedience. In that sense the commandments lead to life only by driving the obedient person past the surface of duty into the recognition of profound, inescapable sin. That recognition is precisely what Paul says becomes the doorway to Christ: the Law performs its covenant role by revealing the heart, stripping away illusions of righteousness, and compelling the sinner toward the only source of true life—the Spirit of God who accomplishes what the commandments could diagnose but never cure.
When Jesus says “keep my commandments” in John 14–15, He is not referring to the Ten Commandments as the covenant code given at Sinai. He is speaking of His own teaching, His own words, the new covenant directives that flow from His identity and mission. In John’s Gospel, entolai (“commandments”) consistently refers to Jesus’ own revelation—believe in Him, abide in Him, love one another as He has loved, bear witness, keep His word, remain in His teaching. These are not additions to Moses but the fulfillment and replacement of Moses within the new covenant. The contrast is deliberate: Moses’ commandments belonged to Israel’s old covenant; Jesus’ commandments belong to the life of the Son, given through the Spirit. So when Jesus says “keep my commandments,” He is calling His disciples to obey the words He has spoken, to embody the new‑covenant love He models, and to remain faithful to the teaching that reveals the Father—not to return to the Sinai code.
True, but this doesn't mean that Gentiles are obligated to keep the Ten Commandments.
John’s statement in 1 John 3:4—“sin is lawlessness”—is not a call to return to the Sinai code but a theological definition of sin within the new‑covenant framework. In context, lawlessness means rejecting the revealed will of God, which for John is centered in Christ’s word, Christ’s command to love, and Christ’s pattern of righteousness. John is not saying, “Therefore keep the Ten Commandments,” but rather, “Sin is the refusal to submit to God’s authority as revealed in His Son.” The contrast in the chapter makes this clear: righteousness is defined by abiding in Christ, keeping His commandments, and loving the brothers; lawlessness is defined by rejecting Christ’s teaching and living in the darkness He came to expose. So John uses the language of “law” to describe the moral rebellion that Christ unmasks—not to reinstate the Mosaic covenant, but to show that sin is hostility to the new‑covenant life revealed in Jesus.
No, it is called a ministry of death because animals died in the process.
Jesus was talking to Jewish people about the Law. He was not quoting Rabbinical midrash. He was teaching as one having his own authority, even though he said that his authority came from the Father. In other words, his teaching did not challenge or contradict the revealed word of God. But his teaching DID contradict much of what the rabbis taught.
This promise is specific to the House of Judah and the House of Israel.
The Holy Spirit does not give anyone the power to obey. That is called Keswick theology and it isn't true.
He does not contradict Jesus when he teaches that his people were under a tutor that leads them to Christ. He DOES teach that once we have Christ, the tutor is no longer necessary.
we all have choice to believe or not, for me I do believe every word Jesus spoke and follow him. I know it was for gentiles as well as Jews, Jesus came first to the Jews. The Old Testament foretold that the Messiah would come first to Israel. Jesus Himself also confirmed this during His earthly ministry. God's plan was always that salvation would begin with Israel and then go out to all nations.
And now saith Jehovah that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, and that Israel be gathered unto him... yea, he saith, It is too light a thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth. (Isaiah 49:5-6)
I don't disagree, the law can not save us.
We are not justified by works.
But we can not walk in the Spirit and transgress the law.
The keeping of the law is not an outward work to be saved, it is an inward transformation that results from the Spirit in our hearts.
You can not say you love Jesus and disobey Him.
Deu 5:10 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
" them that love me AND keep my commandments."
DONT TRY TRY TO SEPERATE THE FRUIT FROM THE SPIRIT.
Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
1Jn 5:2-3
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
The Bible does not teach that we should not keep the commandments because of grace or because Jesus kept them.
Jesus said to follow Him.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Is Paul saying to remove the law to solve the problem, or remove the flesh?
Sin is made known by the law.
Do be remove the law and make coveting not a sin? Or do we die to the flesh, and become free from transgressing the law?. We are not under the law because the grace of God forgives us but also because the Spirit of God does not transgress it.
Forgiveness = released from the penalty of the law.
Obedience by the Spirit = freedom from sin.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:22-25
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Flesh vs Spirit.
Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Sure. Just keep in mind what Jesus said in Matthew 5:17-20. He fulfilled the law and said that not one iota would pass until everything was accomplished...
It's important to observe the commendments, as summed up by the great commendment, even though that isn't what saves us.
No where does it say just the Ten our in our hearts, minds and mouths. It says Law in Jeremiah 31. It says the word in Deut. 30. And it says Spirit in Ezek. 36
The difference between the two Covenants in respect to righteousness is the ministry. Righteousness is and was to be of the Spirit from the heart and therefore the ministry is not to be that from tables of stone and parchment but from the fleshly tables of the heart to be known and read of all men. Righteousness was never from the Law, for by the oracles of God, the Law is the knowledge of sin. The written Law let's us know we have sinned. It was written down by Moses so there would be no confusion as to what sin is because of transgressions. But the Law, the Oracles of God never made anyone righteous, Just. For what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are IN the law, the oracles of God: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. As Scripture says, there is none righteous, no not one. But now the righteousness of God without the law, the oracles of God is manifested, being witnessed (affirmed) by the law, oracles of God, the knowledge of sin and the prophets. Even the righteousness of God which is THROUGH faith of Jesus Christ INTO all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For the righteousness of God which is of this faith speaks on this wise. Say not in your heart, who shall being Christ down from above of up from the deep. But what says it? The Word, oracles of God, the Law through His Spirit is in your heart and in your mouth that we do it, that is the word of Faith we preach, that the just live by and establishes the oracles of God, the Law.
No but the Law is not limited to the Ten.
Your looking does not take away the Truth in which TMS shared.
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The written law under the old covenant let people know they had sinned. The new covenant is very different from the old one. Applicable law is internal now, not external, written in the minds and placed on the hearts of believers. That internal law enlightens a person they have sinned.
Sin is the transgression of the law 1John3:4
Through the law we become conscious of sin Rom3:20
Therefore, you must have heartfelt consciousness of sin if you were to disregard/'try and ignore the law placed within you, nothing else is possible. And you do not need to read of written law to have such consciousness of sin now:
You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. 2Cor3:3
''''Do be remove the law and make coveting not a sin? Or do we die to the flesh, and become free from transgressing the law?. We are not under the law because the grace of God forgives us but also because the Spirit of God does not transgress it.''''
The above does not allow for the fallibility of man. Taken at face value it would crush the sincere. Just as, the pharisees of Jesus day crushed the people with their demands.
For those who have and rely on an internal law there is no hiding from it. They know they are transgressors of the law/they commit sin
I asked TMS if he was a transgressor of the law, he did not answer
This is what the New Covenant has to say. It is the Word of God.
"For through the law I died to the law so that I might live to God." Galatians 2:19. What laws apply to dead people?
But now, having died to what bound us, we have been released from the law, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code." Romans 7:6.
"All who rely on works of the law are under a curse. For it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” Now it is clear that no one is justified before God by the law, because, “The righteous will live by faith.” The law, however, is not based on faith; on the contrary, “The man who does these things will live by them.” Galatians 3: 1-12
When you follow the law, you are not living by faith. That means that you are not pleasing God. It is offensive to God, because you are diminishing the value of the sacrifice of the lord Jesus.
"Before this faith came, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law became our guardian to lead us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian." Galatians 3:23-25
The law does not save us and neither does it make us righteous. "Whoever keeps the whole law, but stumbles at just one point, is guilty of breaking all of it." James 2:10
"But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law." Galatians 5:18
"For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God." Romans 8:14
If you're trying the save yourself or becomes righteous by following the law, then yes, it diminishes Jesus' sacrifice and will result in death. Accepting His grace and wanting to follow His commendments as we love Him (John 14:15) isn't offensive at all. We're saved by Grace and asked to do good, hence Jesus summed up the commendments with the new, great one...
something is wrong here Jesus says to keep the commandments and you use Paul to say they should not be kept.....
what is the truth of all this, I know Paul was speaking of the Law of Moses Levetical laws, feasts sabbath(s) and Not the Commandments.
But to all their own conscience. we have free will.
Many forget or do not know Jesus also came to explain and Magnify the law , to set the record straight, on how to follow the commandments properly, it is why I wrote this post;
Study that and you see a lot leagal entity stuff. paul says cant see, clothes of the high preist like a gown in a court room. there is alot cleaver read over great truths
The covenant is an Oath of God. most are Connected throughout the ages. Starting with Abram ,documented circumcision cut away to baptism witch appear God left out The Cut out space IS HIS.
something is wrong here Jesus says to keep the commandments and you use Paul to say they should not be kept.....
what is the truth of all this, I know Paul was speaking of the Law of Moses Levetical laws, feasts sabbath(s) and Not the Commandments.
But to all their own conscience. we have free will.
Many forget or do not know Jesus also came to explain and Magnify the law , to set the record straight, on how to follow the commandments properly, it is why I wrote this post;
Do you not know that Lord Jesus instituted a new covenant? It was in His blood, more precious than any material thing. How can you be so ignorant? Do you reject Paul's teaching? Paul, the arch Pharisee? What did he say about the law ?
New covenant. New Life, the life of Christ. New law, the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus.
Keep this in mind: if you fail to keep God's law perfectly, then you are under a curse. And don't tell me that you keep God's law perfectly. The law does not require faith. Without faith, it is impossible to please God.
The law brought death. You are trying to tell me that God wants to put us back under a regime that killed us? That makes no sense.
New covenant. New Life, the life of Christ. New law, the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus.
Keep this in mind: if you fail to keep God's law perfectly, then you are under a curse. And don't tell me that you keep God's law perfectly. The law does not require faith. Without faith, it is impossible to please God.
The law brought death. You are trying to tell me that God wants to put us back under a regime that killed us? That makes no sense.