another one of your posts that makes no sense, and just another one of your posts, where your will just sailed right past the truth
The Way of Salvation and Eternal Life
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Christ died as a sacrifice to God for everyone that his Father gave him. Christ's sacrifice was offered to God, for God's acceptance, and not to mankind for mankind's acceptance. (John 6:37-40). After Christ's blood on the cross washed their sins away, God looked upon their sins as being as far away from him as the east is from the west. (Psalms 103:11=12). Saved, according to Strong's concordance, saved means delivered. If the scripture indicates that there is an action required for mankind to perform in order to be saved (delivered) it is a deliverance here on earth for those who already have the promise of Christ to inherit everlasting Heaven. Every time that one of God's children commits a sin God pricks their conscience to repent, witch brings a deliverance (salvation) from that sin.
You seem to limits Christ’s sacrifice only to a fixed group in a way that removes real choice and responsibility. Jesus also said, “And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself” (John 12:32, NKJV). And again, “God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son” (John 3:16, NKJV). The offer is wide, even if not all receive it.
The statement that sins are removed “as far as the east is from the west” is true for those who are forgiven and walking in repentance (Psalm 103:12). But Scripture never says this means future sins no longer matter or no longer affect our standing. Jesus taught the opposite.
Jesus told His own disciples, “If you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses”(Matthew 6:15, NKJV). This shows forgiveness is not a one-time event disconnected from how we live.
The biggest problem comes with the claim that any action required for salvation is only an earthly deliverance and not related to eternal life. Jesus clearly tied obedience and perseverance directly to eternal life.
Jesus said, “He who endures to the end shall be saved” (Matthew 24:13, NKJV). He also said, “If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments” (Matthew 19:17, NKJV). And again, “If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered” (John 15:6, NKJV).
These are not just about temporary deliverance on earth. Jesus connects them to life, remaining in Him, and not being cast out.
It is true that God convicts His children when they sin. Jesus said the Spirit would “convict the world of sin” (John 16:8, NKJV). Repentance does bring real cleansing and restoration. But Scripture never says that repentance is automatic or guaranteed regardless of a person’s response. That is why Jesus repeatedly warned His followers to watch, remain, endure, and obey.
your text is partly right about Christ’s obedience, God’s mercy, and the call to repentance. But it goes wrong by turning salvation into something already settled regardless of continued faithfulness, and by reducing Jesus’ many warnings into mere earthly discipline. Jesus taught that remaining in Him, obeying His words, and enduring in faith are directly connected to eternal life.
1 Corinthians 9:27
English Standard Version
27 But I discipline my body and keep it under control,[a] lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified.
Being castaway from God isn't directly spoken in this verse.
Jesus said to his disciples you will all away which probably meant a temporary desertion at that Pacific time would take place
So it depends really on how low you want to go when dealing with understanding
In regard to 1 Corinthians 9:27, many translations say "disqualified" and the NIV more specifically says, "disqualified for the prize" and not disqualified for salvation. In context, Paul has been discussing preaching the gospel. In verse 18 he says, "What is my reward, then?" In verses 24-27 he illustrates this thought of his reward by the picture of a race run for the prize. Salvation is a gift that we receive by grace through faith, (Ephesians 2:8,9) and not a prize that we race for, win and earn.1 Corinthians 9:27
English Standard Version
27 But I discipline my body and keep it under control, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified.
Being castaway from God isn't directly spoken in this verse.
Jesus said to his disciples you will all away which probably meant a temporary desertion at that Pacific time would take place
So it depends really on how low you want to go when dealing with understanding
Prize (brabeion) - the prize awarded to a victor, the reward (recognition) that follows triumph. That does not sound like a free gift to me. (Romans 6:23; Ephesians 2:8) 1 Corinthians 3:14-15 mentions - If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If anyone's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, (of reward) though he himself will be saved.
1 Corinthians 9:24 - "Do you not know that those who run in a race ALL run, but ONLY ONE receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may obtain it." In an Olympic race, all runners run but only one receives the gold medal. So, what happens to the runners that receive the silver medal or bronze medal or finish the race with no medal? Are they disqualified from the Olympics or for the prize? Everyone who falls short of winning a gold medal is not disqualified from the Olympics.
nice way of putting it, thanks, I interpreted the verse as being Paul being worried people might view him as a spiritual counterfeit
which for me is a very good reason for disciplining yourself in God's word, more so, in terms of not becoming proud when his word is rejected in another aspect of Paul training himself, and his reactions Reactions being something the flesh can also be to quick to respond with a manner that could become ott.
I guess also it's common practice for dedicated men of authority for God to be as patient as they possibly can be
or another reason @mailmandannice way of putting it, thanks, I interpreted the verse as being Paul being worried people might view him as a spiritual counterfeit
Reactions being something the flesh can also be to quick to respond with a manner that could become ott.
I guess also it's common practice for dedicated men of authority for God to be as patient as they possibly can be
is Paul was chosen to suffer for his name sake as well, which is an indication God was disciplining his proud old way, when he would serve our execution for God words being rejected in a very authoritive way , but for the case of Paul then he was like the other Jews not believing the Messiah had come, so I believe God chose the most punishing of all Jews to show the rest of Jews how to believe, making better use of Paul's conviction for executing God's authority But maybe when Paul was serving out execution For reason he believed was for God to people other than the reason of not believing the Messiah had come, maybe God use to speak to him because he never really liked his job.
With all due respect, because I believe the scriptures teach that if a person studies the scriptures and worships God that they have already been born (quickened) by the Holy Spirit, unlike 1 Cor 2:14 describes the natural man who cannot receive the things of the Spirit, neither can he know them. John is writing to those which were born, not of the blood, nor of the will of the flesh, not of the will of man, but of God (John 1:13). therefore the "all men" has reference to those that his Father gave him to die for and give them the promise of eternal heaven (John 6:39) Anytime the scriptures indicates that mankind has to react, by works, to receive salvation (deliverance. It is a deliverance that those who are already born again receive as they live here on earth, by obeying Gods commandments.
Because God still speaks, it does not end with the Bible messages of his resurrected Son for us all. Those are the witnesses to what is done for us to see new in love and mercy to all too
I, assuredly cannot explain, what I now know, thanks to God Father and risen Son. This in belief, one day anyone can see, will see, if do not quit Col 1:21-23.
Look, read Job, over and over, ask God from within too reveal to you this amazing Grace
I see from Chapter 1. God allowed Satan to test Job (Test us all) Satan said to God, If, (Now since) Job did not have things so easy, he would curse God.
Fast forward, will you curse God over troubles? Or will you stand in trust to God no matter what, even if about to die?
You want to know God, go through without cursing God, while having troubles.
See Job 2:10, Job's wife wanted Job to curse God. Job would not, I will nor, and have been through death and done many wrong things along the way. Still do not or will not curse God, no way for me. nGod by through Son is now our friend to learn from. and then decide to do right by God or not, God continues to love us all, understands all. I will stick to my maker, anyone else?
Then one day God revealed God to me in the love of Son for us all on that cross to reconcile us all to God. 2 Cor 5:17-20, John 19:30, Hebrews 7:11-12 Hebrews 9:14-17 The new life is in the resurrected Son. Given to us by Father of Son.
We are saved by God in the risen life of Son for us to lead us new in love to all, not a few as the first born flesh only knows how to do. The first born nature can not Fathom God's Spirit and Truth, we each need God to lead, as is for me and each other to see personally and wait, no matter how long it might take to see it. Once do, there is no changing you after got changed in the love and mercy given you, at least me, and made this choice freely as am given freely this gift first, by my not quitting, no matter what troubles.
Ask yourself in your own prayer closet, trust God and see to have no other motive than to know God humbly, without any self desires in the way
I understand the pressures of life here on earth. The wants, the needs, the deceptions of other people, have in past deceived myself. Wanting to be liked, loved and accepted
Then after that first day I decided to believe and stand, I finally saw by God in risen Son I am forgiven, accepted and loved forever, by God before ever born here on earth through the done work of Son alone. Woe became me then saw Isaiah 6:1-7
Eph 1:13, 6-7 Sealed, accepted, forgiven. This truth is for everyone to decide and stand. Col 1:21-23
Whoever does not quit to believe, God will see deeper and deeper and deeper to higher, wider and stand in thanksgiving and praise no matter what.
See the prediction filled in Son, Psalm 103:12, now praise God in thankfulness Psalm 100:4, ask for the new Heart Ezekiel 36:26
Ask, recieve and be new from God Father in risen Son for you too
Thats good,
Thanks, and trusting to you too from God too. we each grow up in different stages at different times, I see this in Hebrews 5:12 to get off the milk and as well to grow up through Chapter 6 to finalize things done for us all 1 John 2:1-27
Even as in 1 Cor 13. 1-3 talks of man works, and how fruitless man work is, if God does not lead, then I see 4-7, as God's full on love to all with mercy through Son for us all. To get imputed in us by God Father in risen Son, to say it is finished as in John 19:30 states, and be thankful humbly to see new and be new in Faith to God Father in risen Son forever.
Then I see 8-12 all the things of things we can and do, do or have done. Yet the greatest of it all is God's Charity Love through Son for all 1 Cor 13:13
I see a before the cross and an after the cross
Before the cross, under Law, stressed, no rest, work, work , work under stress. Now, in the new, work, work, work in freedom given. A gigantic difference to me.
After the cross, upholding Law in love and mercy given us to stand in. with Father and Son forever in humility, not thinking we know, we just know and not arrogantly either. No one better than anyone else, just forgiven by God in appreciation Luke 18:9-14. Love your enemies, feed your enemies, love overcomes evil as Did in Son first, being risen as proof to me anyways
Amazing Grace given to be thankful in, woe is me Isaiah 6:1-7
You are correct that the word castaway is not used in the English Standard Version. However, it is used in the earlier King James Version.1 Corinthians 9:27
English Standard Version
27 But I discipline my body and keep it under control,[a] lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified.
Being castaway from God isn't directly spoken in this verse.
Jesus said to his disciples you will all away which probably meant a temporary desertion at that Pacific time would take place
So it depends really on how low you want to go when dealing with understanding
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway." 1 Cor 9:27 Paul concludes with "wherefore let him that thinks he stands take heed lest he fall" (1 Cor. 10:12)
1 Cor 9:27
CASTAWAY
(kast'-a-wa) (
adokimos
, from
dokimazo
, "I test," "I approve after testing," hence, approved after being tested): This word is rendered "castaway" only in the King James Version: "I myself should be a castaway" ("rejected" the Revised Version (British and American), the American Standard Revised Version, 1 Cor 9:27). But the same word occurs a number of times usually translated "reprobate" (Rom 1:28; 2 Cor 13:5-7; 2 Tim 3:8; Titus 1:16); "rejected" (Heb 6:8). (International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia)
Jesus explained this possibility as well:
John 15:1-8
I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
IF ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples."
Just wondering. Whose faith do you think this indicates in harmony with the other scriptures?
False dilemma fallacy. Jesus was unable to sin, yet still had a real choice. Everything he did was out of love for His sheep.
With all due respect, because I believe the scriptures teach that if a person studies the scriptures and worships God that they have already been born (quickened) by the Holy Spirit, unlike 1 Cor 2:14 describes the natural man who cannot receive the things of the Spirit, neither can he know them. John is writing to those which were born, not of the blood, nor of the will of the flesh, not of the will of man, but of God (John 1:13). therefore the "all men" has reference to those that his Father gave him to die for and give them the promise of eternal heaven (John 6:39) Anytime the scriptures indicates that mankind has to react, by works, to receive salvation (deliverance. It is a deliverance that those who are already born again receive as they live here on earth, by obeying Gods commandments.[/QUOTE]
With respect, Jesus does not teach that a person is already born again just because they study Scripture or worship God. He said clearly, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God” (John 3:3). That shows the new birth is not assumed. It is something that must truly happen.
Jesus also said, “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father” (Matthew 7:21). This means that knowing God’s word or speaking about God is not the same as belonging to Him.
When Jesus speaks of those the Father gave Him, He also says, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me” (Matthew 16:24). That is a call to respond, to obey, and to continue following. It is not automatic.
Jesus summed it up simply: “He who keeps My commandments is the one who loves Me” (John 14:21), and “If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments” (Matthew 19:17). Obedience is not just a benefit after salvation. It is how true faith is shown and how we remain in Him.
To be clear, I say Here works do not save, I mention again because many say I preach works based salvation and it is false.
Blessings.
With respect, Jesus does not teach that a person is already born again just because they study Scripture or worship God. He said clearly, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God” (John 3:3). That shows the new birth is not assumed. It is something that must truly happen.
Jesus also said, “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father” (Matthew 7:21). This means that knowing God’s word or speaking about God is not the same as belonging to Him.
When Jesus speaks of those the Father gave Him, He also says, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me” (Matthew 16:24). That is a call to respond, to obey, and to continue following. It is not automatic.
Jesus summed it up simply: “He who keeps My commandments is the one who loves Me” (John 14:21), and “If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments” (Matthew 19:17). Obedience is not just a benefit after salvation. It is how true faith is shown and how we remain in Him.
To be clear, I say Here works do not save, I mention again because many say I preach works based salvation and it is false.
Blessings.
Yep I believe Paul being chosen to preach to the gentiles, Paul would have been chosen to do that job for life, and it's quite clear in this place that Gentiles are often casting me away when I write my understandings down to
And it's also quite clear from gentiles here that I get disqualified quite often here to
And it's also quite clear from gentiles here that even after trying thousands of times they still cast me away and disqualifies me, and i reckon that even with them people I would still be getting disqualified after a whole lifetime,
What's not clear in Paul's writings is was he talking about being cast away by people or by the many churches he was supporting and traveling to see, as I can't see it being God as God chose to discipline him.
You could reason in writings that Paul was in fear God might strip him from his responsibility but then again, that's a healthy fear.
as many people do here they fail to recognise most of the teachings Jesus preached where to his deciples being trained before receiving the holy spirit, and also what you fail to recognise is the start of the being attached to the vine starts with the devine nature of the father first, the completion of the vine is being filed with the the holy spirit.
What's also clear in writings is Jesus says if you have both the the father and the son you are saved
2 John 9 is clear also that the vine starts with the devine nature of the father, and the devine nature of the son is completion with the filling of the devine nature of the holy spirit,
My sheep have eternal life and they will never perish
@Wansvic
2 John 9
New International Version
9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son
What's part of this scripture is in the completion of the vine ?
And what part is not in the completion
2 John 9
New International Version
9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son
What's part of this scripture is in the completion of the vine ?
And what part is not in the completion
That scripture addresses the false belief that Jesus has not come in the flesh. Those who believe that lie are not of God.
2 John 7-10
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: