There is no such thing as Sola Scriptura

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homwardbound

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It is Christ who saves us. Not any church organization. I was a Catholic for 35 years. Tradition is easily changed of over time.
But do not Church organizations help one towards finding out all truth. A catalyst to the Savior as Christ told his disciples if theyare preaching his name then leave them alone, for if they are not of him, but preach his name then a divided kingdom can't stand yes?
 
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hey where you been, I missed you man. How are you doing, Had any growth lately, i am sure you have, me too.
Good to hear from you. I know after many discussions with you that christ is your life whether yougoto Cathlolice Church, protestant Church or any Church, your entire goalis to know the Savior Jesus Christ
Therefore i put in here for you and all to eat

Lesson your judgement of others. You never see the whole picture. Never.
there are 1,000 reasons a person can behave a particular way. You don't know what is going on in their movie that motivates them to act in that way. You never know how you'd behave if you were in their shoes. Today little by little, learn to be more forgiving. Learn to where you can come from a place of help, rather than Judgement.

Judgements are only based on what one sees, from their owns thoughts. From their own experiences. There is truly only one that knows all. that one would be and is the creator of all.
If one learns to listen to the creator as Jesus Christ revealed to all mankind. (He taught us, to do nothing or say nothing w/o Father's instruction first and foremost), we would make the right judgements, with out condemnation. ( coming from the one listening)
The ones that argued would reveal their true selves, as was done in the day of visitation from our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Steer clear from arguements, seek the truth in all things and one shall be free from the world and it's traps.
A man must learn to understand the motives of human beings, their illusions, and their sufferings.

then therefore go to God for the below

"Comfort Me by letting Me know that you would see Me just to dwell in My Presence. Not for teaching, not for material gain, not even for a message, but for Me. The longing of the human heart to be loved for itself is something caught from the Great Divine Heart."
Brother, you are truly one person I miss conversing with in this place!!! I LOVE reading your posts. They always make so much sense, and logic. But the reason for me not being around as much lately is the exact same message you left in your post above. Too much judgement going on, not to mention bitterness. Bitterness that was creeping its way into me hahaha and I didn't want that! Neither does our Lord. So I thought it would be best to just spectate for a while maybe. How've you been anyway?
 
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But do not Church organizations help one towards finding out all truth. A catalyst to the Savior as Christ told his disciples if theyare preaching his name then leave them alone, for if they are not of him, but preach his name then a divided kingdom can't stand yes?

AMEN BROTHER!! It's when people start allowing themselves to think about politics within the church more than Christ, is when the problem arises. This happens in EVERY church.
 
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I gave no credit to men. The Catholic Church is led by the Holy Spirit, and was led by the Holy Spirit to compile the gospels and letters which make up the New Testament. That book which you rely solely upon for your faith.


No. You gave credit to men. The catholic church is no different than the jewsih religious leaders in the time of Christ, they make the same excuses and same arguments.

The apostles would not be caught dead giving credit to the Jewish leaders of God for putting the word together, Or without them there would be no word..

Keep fooling yourself into thinking you give no credit to men. the only one your fooling is yourself (and those who follow you, of which I would be afraid if I were you. that someone would be kept from Gods truth listening to you praise men..)
Oh, that's lovely. What a lot of nonsense. A typically bitter and uncharitable response from you, eternally-gratefull.

Nevermind the facts. I know that you can't ever be bothered with facts.
 

homwardbound

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Brother, you are truly one person I miss conversing with in this place!!! I LOVE reading your posts. They always make so much sense, and logic. But the reason for me not being around as much lately is the exact same message you left in your post above. Too much judgement going on, not to mention bitterness. Bitterness that was creeping its way into me hahaha and I didn't want that! Neither does our Lord. So I thought it would be best to just spectate for a while maybe. How've you been anyway?
I understand, yes our focus is to be on truth, and truth is Christ Jesus, and even Paul who spoke acout sin being taken away had to be careful and not be accursed, because Paul understood sowing to flesh, just sowing about it only allowed flesh to creep in and so had to pull away as you had to do here as well, smart move glad you are back for a short while hopeully just good clean conversation here now and all done in God's way of love 1 cor 13
Just been healing from my major surgery? hope to go back soon to finish, and be released to work again. Other than that praying to undrstand and not be proud and boastful about anything except Christ and Father
Love you Brother
 

homwardbound

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AMEN BROTHER!! It's when people start allowing themselves to think about politics within the church more than Christ, is when the problem arises. This happens in EVERY church.
Yes it does and has, so youkeep up the good fight pointin it all to Christ, not self and or others. I do think to appreciate others, and maybe tell them for encouragement, but sometimes I am told to be quiet in that.
For Iearned from Paul in 2 Cor 12 about God grace is sufficient and why he gloried in his iniquities and why a messenger of Satan come a long to buffet us.
I wonder is it because we can get and think we are holier than others and need to be humbled, sotherefore when I get buffeted their is a reason and i see it was to buffet Paul, me, you and all of us that think we know, when we do not, only
God does. So therefore I will glory in my need for God, and in my weakness God's strength is made perfect
Just food (meat to eat) for thought
 
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Sola Scriptura is the doctrine and practice of scripture alone, or that the Bible alone is the final authority on all matters of Christian faith. This doctrine is a complete and total fiction.

Being Catholic Christian, I, of course, reject this doctrine. I could list all the usual reasons that Catholic Christians and Rabbinical Jews give for rejecting this doctrine but the point is entirely moot as it's never practiced anyway.

In fact, Sola Scriptura (SS) is wholly impossible to practice due to the imprecise nature of language and because each and every person person has their own experiences, biases and prejudices, all of which influence and color the way that they understand language in general and the Bible specifically.

The Catholic Christian Church interprets the Bible by the guidance of the Oral Tradition that was first given to Moses from God at Mt. Sinai. Starting with Martin Luther, protestants increasingly abandoned the Oral Tradition. But instead of actually practicing SS, protestants just made up their own traditions or returned to pre-Christian pagan traditions and their man-made traditions became their authority instead. The result is that protestantism is divided into a million and one different denominations, all of which preach a different gospel with a different Jesus and a different doctrine and a different plan of salvation.

In some parts of the USA, namely the so-called "Bible Belt," one can find a different protestant establishment on literally every other street corner and each one is quite literally teaching and practicing a different religion and worshiping a different deity. Many of these religions have no similarity at all with each other beyond that they all claim the Bible as their sole authority and that they call their disparate deities by the same name, Jesus.
So basically the Bible isn't enough to identify the way to salvation because it's up for interpretation?
 

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I applause that this contentious spirit was booted quickly. Ty.
I am sorry but he was attacked and you all did attack him even though it was not right for him to attack back which I worte him.He is a person that God loves the same as you, so why are you glorying over another mans troubles as if your obedience is perfect
2 Corinthians 10:6And we will be ready to punish every act of disobedience, once your obedience is complete.
I know he got too hot headed over youall trying to say that he was in the wrong Church, and so which Church here on earth is the perfect one, the one you go to, that works for you? How can this be Brother
James 1:26Those who consider themselves religious and yet do not keep a tight rein on their tongues deceive themselves, and their religion is worthless.
James 3:5Likewise, the tongue is a small part of the body, but it makes great boasts. Consider what a great forest is set on fire by a small spark.
James 3:6The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole body, sets the whole course of one’s life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell.
James 3:8but no human being can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison.

Only God can do this in you and through you Brother, don't you care for others, I think you do, please go back and see flesh begetting flesh in this post and no real love reaching out tothis one that got banned.
Havw we taken away what is so amazing about grace? Did not jesus hang out with the worst sort of sinners as many of us were or still are, does not God just Love us?
Foodto eat and hopefully see
 
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But do not Church organizations help one towards finding out all truth. A catalyst to the Savior as Christ told his disciples if theyare preaching his name then leave them alone, for if they are not of him, but preach his name then a divided kingdom can't stand yes?
Sure if the church is teaching correctly that is. The churches have gotten so fudged up; surely we need God to come back and set things straight again.

One man says he's right, the other says he knows the Bible - yet they stand against each other on the spiritual battle field...
 

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So basically the Bible isn't enough to identify the way to salvation because it's up for interpretation?
Everyone has an interpretation and if they want toknow God and are trying then who will do the leading? For those that desire to know God, god will lead them to his son Christ Jesus
You know one thinks this Church over there is correct and goes gets edified, feels good and then seeks others tocome to the place where they feel good worshipping
Now one see this as good another as not. What one sees as good another sees as bad. and we all have free choice.
Now does everyone here see God as good? Why not focus right there and be thankful, with praises of Christ the cross and the goodness of God presented to us all via Christ
Why are we divided? I am of Apollos, I am of Paul, Today I am of this denomination or that one, why not leteach decide for themselves and love them knowiing God will show truth to everyone somehow someway and all will have had their conscious chance to either believe or not.
 

homwardbound

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Sure if the church is teaching correctly that is. The churches have gotten so fudged up; surely we need God to come back and set things straight again.

One man says he's right, the other says he knows the Bible - yet they stand against each other on the spiritual battle field...
and Sister this is not right speaking out of two sides of ones mouth blessings and cursiings
[h=3]James 4[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[h=3]Pride Promotes Strife[/h]4 Where do wars and fights come from among you? Do they not come from your desires for pleasure that war in your members? [SUP]2 [/SUP]You lust and do not have. You murder and covet and cannot obtain. You fight and war. Yet you do not have because you do not ask. [SUP]3 [/SUP]You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain, “The Spirit who dwells in us yearns jealously”?
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But He gives more grace. Therefore He says:
“God resists the proud,
But gives grace to the humble.”
 
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Everyone has an interpretation and if they want toknow God and are trying then who will do the leading? For those that desire to know God, god will lead them to his son Christ Jesus
You know one thinks this Church over there is correct and goes gets edified, feels good and then seeks others tocome to the place where they feel good worshipping
Now one see this as good another as not. What one sees as good another sees as bad. and we all have free choice.
Now does everyone here see God as good? Why not focus right there and be thankful, with praises of Christ the cross and the goodness of God presented to us all via Christ
Why are we divided? I am of Apollos, I am of Paul, Today I am of this denomination or that one, why not leteach decide for themselves and love them knowiing God will show truth to everyone somehow someway and all will have had their conscious chance to either believe or not.
We're divided because those who do not keep the true laws of God practice Lawlessness, and will be turned away on the last day by God.

It's not a matter of " just believe in one God," because to believe in God, means theres a law to be followed.

Every denomination and person has their own opinion on what is God's true law;

and according to scripture, if this is not kept, we're in huge trouble spiritually.

So who has the true regulations of God? Do we keep the Sabbath ( Saturday?) or is it Sunday? Do we hold onto man established traditions such as Christmas / Easter - or do they not matter?

Are we just saved by grace and do absolutely nothing?

Do women cover their heads or not? What were the regulations of the New Covenant? Was Jesus Christ really God in the flesh? Is the New Testament even true?

Were books taken out of the Bible? Were things changed?

Jahova Witnesses, Jews, Catholics, Lutherans - all believe in God - but, all also believe in the truth of their traditions.

This is why we fuss and fight, because everyone wants to follow God, but there is no clear path, and each man has paved his own...
 

homwardbound

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Sure if the church is teaching correctly that is. The churches have gotten so fudged up; surely we need God to come back and set things straight again.

One man says he's right, the other says he knows the Bible - yet they stand against each other on the spiritual battle field...
yes you said it CHURCHES plural so where would be the one true place of worship?
 
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The way i look at things is that those of us looking to Jesus, keeping our eyes on Him, drawing nearer to Him. We are on different paths, our own personal relationship with Jesus, but not many of us have made it to the main path, the straight and narrow path, but we are all heading in same direction, and when we get there we will all be in the same place. If you think you have arrived at the main path, think again. The word tells us not to think to highly of ourselves. Thank the Father for the work He is doing in us through Jesus our Lord.
 

homwardbound

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We're divided because those who do not keep the true laws of God practice Lawlessness, and will be turned away on the last day by God.

It's not a matter of " just believe in one God," because to believe in God, means theres a law to be followed.

Every denomination and person has their own opinion on what is God's true law;

and according to scripture, if this is not kept, we're in huge trouble spiritually.

So who has the true regulations of God? Do we keep the Sabbath ( Saturday?) or is it Sunday? Do we hold onto man established traditions such as Christmas / Easter - or do they not matter?

Are we just saved by grace and do absolutely nothing?

Do women cover their heads or not? What were the regulations of the New Covenant? Was Jesus Christ really God in the flesh? Is the New Testament even true?

Were books taken out of the Bible? Were things changed?

Jahova Witnesses, Jews, Catholics, Lutherans - all believe in God - but, all also believe in the truth of their traditions.

This is why we fuss and fight, because everyone wants to follow God, but there is no clear path, and each man has paved his own...
you are not under law, being in a state of flesh under law under a curse, the law shows us our weaknesses in and of the flesh and by the flesh one serves the law of sin and death, because the flesh is weak and can not perform the Law while The Law itself is just, true, perfect and Holy, yet everytime it flows though flesh it kills that person of flesh.
So what to do about that HMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! maybe consider thyself dead to flesh by the cross of Christ we die with Christ at baptism, we share in his Death at the cross and then we are risen by God the Father at the cross by the same resurrection that he did for Son on the third day. And just maybe by this resurrection we are thus made alive to God in the Spirit of God, which is the only way God can be worshipped and the true tabernacle is in Heaven with Christ and all the Saints where we have true fellowship. For God's kingdom is clearly not of this world. We have been born again not of flesh, of the Spirit of God, born back to life here and now with God forevermore
Romans 6 does a great explanation of this what I just wrote
 

homwardbound

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The way i look at things is that those of us looking to Jesus, keeping our eyes on Him, drawing nearer to Him. We are on different paths, our own personal relationship with Jesus, but not many of us have made it to the main path, the straight and narrow path, but we are all heading in same direction, and when we get there we will all be in the same place. If you think you have arrived at the main path, think again. The word tells us not to think to highly of ourselves. Thank the Father for the work He is doing in us through Jesus our Lord.
100% agree thank you Brother_ Don for this reminder to remain in humility Thank you
 
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Praying to whom that statue represents. Not worshipping her. Talking to her. Asking for her help. Not making her more important than Christ! Just talking with her. Don't panic people. Stop hyperventilating.
[h=3]Hail Mary[/h]Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou amongst women,
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners,
now and at the hour of our death. Amen.

How can we talk with dead people? How can dead people pray for the living?

Can we unban CatholicJeremy? I was gone for a week and never got the chance to face off with him. I would feel kind of silly posting to what he has said now seeing as he is not here anymore.

Probably won't happen but couldn't hurt to ask :)
Why is everyone getting banned now a days? Every where I look someone is banned. I'm afraid to post anything... :(
 
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Hail Mary

Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou amongst women,
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners,
now and at the hour of our death. Amen.

How can we talk with dead people? How can dead people pray for the living?



Why is everyone getting banned now a days? Every where I look someone is banned. I'm afraid to post anything... :(
The response will be that they're not really dead, that no one ever really dies, and thus a denial of the death of Jesus.
 

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Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners,
now and at the hour of our death. Amen.


It is simple, there is only One Mediator between man and God...............Yeshua, Jesus Christ, amen.