This is a basis to Salvation given by Our Lord Jesus. How do we follow it?

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No, Jesus did not lie in John 3:5 or in (John 4:10,14; 7:37-39; 15:3) You simply misinterpreted Jesus.

Not three God's but one God in essence/nature yet three distinct person's Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

We pray to God the Father through Jesus Christ (who is our mediator) and in the Holy Spirit. Christians pray to God the Father directly, as Jesus taught, but also through Jesus, who acts as our high priest, providing access to God the Father. The Holy Spirit also helps in prayer by interceding on our behalf with "groaning too deep for words". So, while the focus is on God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are all involved in prayer. (Matthew 6:9-13; John 14:13-14; 16:23-24; 1 Timothy 2:5; Romans 8:26-27; Jude 20)

I received the Holy Spirit when I placed my faith in Jesus Christ for salvation/believed the gospel. (Acts 11:17; 15:7-9; Ephesians 1:13) Now there is a difference between receiving the Holy Spirit/being indwelt by the Holy Spirit and being filled with the Holy Spirit. Indwelling is a one time event that is ongoing, while filling is a repeated state of being filled with the Holy Spirit's control. Every believer is indwelt, but not every believer is continuously filled with the Spirit.

This is being filled with the Holy Spirit followed by speaking in tongues, which is a fulfillment of what was spoken by the prophet Joel.

In this case but not in every case of being filled, as I previously showed you.

John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Mark 16:16 - He who believes and is baptized will be saved (general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized) but he who does not believe will be condemned. The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism absolutely necessary for salvation. Condemnation rests on unbelief and not on a lack of baptism. *NOWHERE does the Bible say, "baptized or condemned."

If water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, then we would expect Jesus to mention it in the following verses. (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26) Yet what is the ONE requirement that Jesus mentions NINE different times in each of these complete statements *BELIEVES. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.

You left out pick up serpents, drink deadly poison and it will not harm them and lay hands on the sick, and they will recover. (vs. 18) Are those last three not a part of YOUR gospel?

Your EISEGESIS (salvation by water baptism using a rigid baptism formula of "in Jesus' name" only followed by speaking in tongues or else) is out of harmony with numerous passages of scripture. (Acts 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 13:38-39; 15:7-9; 20:21; 26:18; Romans 1:16; 3:22-26; 4:5-6; 5:1; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21; Ephesians 2:8,9 etc..). A blind man cannot see.

Oh, the irony.

Jesus doesn't need me to harmonize His word for Him because Jesus already full understands ALL of HIS word. Hermeneutics is for your sake because you do not properly understand.

I have the Son of God, (1 John 5:11-13) who is Jesus. As Peter stated in Matthew 16:16 - "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” Many misconceptions about Jesus arise from a fundamental confusion surrounding his dual nature as fully God and fully man.

Thank you for your response.

Since you don't have the ability to see HIS word of what it says but put your person twist on things, we for sure will NEVER agree.

Dusting my feet.

Good luck.
 
MATTHEW 25:33-40
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

For me... I like to know who He was talking to and when He did it. We take things out of time and apply them to us today. John 3:16-17 is for all but Luke 11 13 oddly is not.. just saying not some rabbit hole to go down.

So I will never be there. Well when He found me all the ..this is awesome no just to think about this. They know me.. all the angels in heaven rejoiced when He found you! And He told the Father about me. I am grafted into the Vine with the Org branches and no one can tell the Org vs grafted in. So when He comes in His glory then gathers the nations those are who He splits. He said I never knew you. They were never saved.

But if you search this Matt 25.. this scripture here is not given. Its Christ dying on the Cross ..I have to (shouting time) for the worlds sin. Just think... all those that are so evil hate Him so much.. He came for them also. Then Gods grace.. unmerited favor.

Duh song comes to mind Petra .. Taste and see that the lord is good He has milk and honey for you.. come and....
 
Thank you for your response.

Since you don't have the ability to see HIS word of what it says but put your person twist on things, we for sure will NEVER agree.

Dusting my feet.

Good luck.
I can see that your indoctrination runs deep and we will most likely never agree. I just hope and pray that at least a seed has been planted that one day will be watered and lead you to the truth. 🙏
 
Let me repeat what Our Lord Jesus said.
He never mentioned another basis of salvation but what is in
Matthew 25:35&36
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

Man has always choice:
1. Ignore it and stick to other basis of salvation.
2. Beg and ask for God's Mercy to reveal the meaning of Matthew 25:35-36 as God is Speaking in Parables (Psalms 78:2 & Ezekiel 20:49).

Because we can only follow the law when God the Father reveal the meaning of words from God's words to Man's words. As Our Lord Jesus did in the word Temple (John 2:19-21)

Let us learned from Moses. Every time God the Father commanded him, Moses always ask how he do it (Exodus Chapter 3 & 4).

This is what God the Father longing so God the Father become a teacher and we are his pupils.

This is our first question to God the Father. Whom we feed and what kind of food?
For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat
 
Let us learned from Moses. Every time God the Father commanded him, Moses always ask how he do it (Exodus Chapter 3 & 4)..
You continue to betray your ignorance of Scripture.

Moses struck the rock to get water, and God revoked his opportunity to enter the promised land.
 
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You continue to betray your ignorance of Scripture.

Moses struck the rock to get water, and God revoked his opportunity to enter the promised land.

God the Father will never reveal the truth in his words to the person who doesn't know him.
They are foolish in the eyes of God instead (Jeremiah 4:22)
So you are speaking with tongues of men and you like a sounding brass or a tinkling cymbal.
1 CORINTHIANS13:1
13 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
 
God the Father will never reveal the truth in his words to the person who doesn't know him.
They are foolish in the eyes of God instead (Jeremiah 4:22)
So you are speaking with tongues of men and you like a sounding brass or a tinkling cymbal.
1 CORINTHIANS13:1
13 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
However, we read in the bible that it is through His Son that we come to know the Father. For example:

“Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?” (Joh 14:9 NKJV)

“He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.” (Col 1:15 NKJV)

Also, writing to the Ephesian Christians, reminding them of how they became Christians, Paul doesn't say that they firsat came to know God the Father:

“1 ¶ And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.”

“4 ¶ But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.” (Eph 2:1-10 NKJV)
 
Let us learned from Moses. Every time God the Father commanded him, Moses always ask how he do it (Exodus Chapter 3 & 4).

This is what God the Father longing so God the Father become a teacher and we are his pupils.

This is our first question to God the Father. Whom we feed and what kind of food?
For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat

To follow this commandment in the very clear understanding of man, We will give literal food like hamburger sandwich , fried chicken or any literal food for those people who can't afford to buy food.

Since Our Lord Jesus is Speaking in Parables (Mark 4:34)
With his revelation, food is pertaining to the truth in the words of God.
We must feed the people seeking for the truth in the words of God in The Old Testament as Jeremiah ate.
JEREMIAH 15:16
16 Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O Lord God of hosts.

As Apostle John ate.
REVELATION 10:10
10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.

Therefore: Feed the Hunger: We must share the truth in the words of God for the people who are seeking for it.
 
However, we read in the bible that it is through His Son that we come to know the Father. For example:

“Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?” (Joh 14:9 NKJV)

“He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.” (Col 1:15 NKJV)

Also, writing to the Ephesian Christians, reminding them of how they became Christians, Paul doesn't say that they firsat came to know God the Father:

“1 ¶ And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.”

“4 ¶ But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.” (Eph 2:1-10 NKJV)

However, we read in the bible that it is through His Son that we come to know the Father. For example:
Yes it is through Jesus to know his Father.
He said if you know me you should know my Father.
JOHN 8:19
19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

To know Jesus, it requires a miracle from God the Father (Matthew 16:15-17)
 
Well then, you should get to know Him so that you can learn the truth.

God the Father is the Truth.
Without knowing God the Father there is no Truth in you.

God the Father is the Truth.
Without knowing God the Father there is no Truth in you.

No wonder why I never read a post from you sharing the Truth in the words of God but all you can say is hermeneutical methods which is not in the Holy Bible and not consider as Truth.
 
God the Father is the Truth.
Without knowing God the Father there is no Truth in you.
You keep saying that I don’t know the Father, despite the fact that I have not said so and you have not made a case that I don’t. I caution you against committing libel.
 
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You keep saying that I don’t know the Father, despite the fact that I have not said so and you have not made a case that I don’t. I caution you against committing libel.

Our Lord Jesus gave an instruction to test the Spirit if they are of God.
1 JOHN 4:1
4 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

The test is Who God the Father is. Because by knowing God the Father sins will be forgiven
JEREMIAH 31:34
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Unfortunately, you failed the test.
 
Our Lord Jesus gave an instruction to test the Spirit if they are of God.
1 JOHN 4:1
4 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

The test is Who God the Father is. Because by knowing God the Father sins will be forgiven
JEREMIAH 31:34
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Unfortunately, you failed the test.
Stating what (you think) the test is does not prove that anyone has failed it. There is no test in the text you cited.

In other words, all you have is your opinion.
 
Stating what (you think) the test is does not prove that anyone has failed it. There is no test in the text you cited.

In other words, all you have is your opinion.

It is your freewill to disregard the commandment of Lord Jesus in 1 John 4:1.
Jesus will not control you as he did in John 6:55, 60 & 66.

By the way, why are you avoiding the test in 1 John 4:1 which expose who are the false prophets in this world?
 
It is your freewill to disregard the commandment of Lord Jesus in 1 John 4:1.
Jesus will not control you as he did in John 6:55, 60 & 66.

By the way, why are you avoiding the test in 1 John 4:1 which expose who are the false prophets in this world?
Who said anything about disregarding or avoiding it? You have invented a whole narrative about me that is false. You would do better to focus on learning Scripture.
 
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Who said anything about disregarding or avoiding it? You have invented a whole narrative about me that is false. You would do better to focus on learning Scripture.

I'm not inventing anything. I'm just sharing the truth base on your comments or statement.
 
Prove it, or be proven a liar.

I have nothing to prove to you. You are not the savior.
It is only God could tell if I'm a liar or not.

Believing my sharing or not it has nothing to do with me.
But at least I shared it.

All I know right now. God gave us a test (1 John 4:1) and you've been tested too.
Unfortunately, you failed the test.