Tongues Again???

[Depleted]

A student of the word of God knows that Paul did not speak in ecstatic utterances. Languages that were human languages without question but ecstatic utterances nope.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Meh. Mensa mens. It can't really be proven or disproven, and I tried. Even read 25 page articles in theological journals peer-reviewed by other theologians, and still couldn't say for certain.

 

[Depleted]

Well I have zero experience with tongues other than my own language and a few Spanish words I know but other than that I've never experience this form of communication. Is speaking in tongue something anybody can do or is it a gift a person has or receives etc..

Think food. Most of my foreign words are in giving my order at a restaurant. lol

 

[Depleted]

1. Well, it happened historically, from the 3rd century till the 19th century, speaking in tongues virtually did not exist. You can say it was hidden or something, I do not know.

2. So you believe that tongues and knowledge or prophecy will cease when entering heaven? Why?

Boy! And I thought I checked out tongues too much. Really? You've read the history of every country the gospel went to between the 3rd and 19th century to find out no one talked in tongues?

In that case, surely you have proof of miraculous healings too.

 

[Dan_473]

often the focus is on tongues, but prophecy is more to be sought

14 Follow the way of love and eagerly desire gifts of the Spirit, especially prophecy. 2 For anyone who speaks in a tongue[a] does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit. 3 But the one who prophesies speaks to people for their strengthening, encouraging and comfort.

 

[Demi777]

Well I surely would appreciate all of you keep typing in english in the forums at least. I dont care if you walk on your hands and jiggle your feet in ur home.
I believe tongues exist and always existed. Not everyone gets every gift, just as the Body of Christ has arms and legs and all sorts of parts who do their role.
I dont really see why you would think theres still prophecy in heaven..There aint nuddin to prophesy about.. Plus I can care less. No one knows if they make it anyways. we live in the now.
With that..lets get some chinese food and celebrate

 

[popeye]

You clearly lack a basic understanding of the scriptures you so casually cite. What you are espousing is an old pagan practice of praying without knowledge. Praying for the sake of praying. Praying without direction praying into the great mystical void that is nothingness and calling it spiritual.

To ascribe some great spiritual significance to this is certainly not prudent.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Then,if he only spoke known languages,how did his Spirit receive edification,and his mind remain unfruitful?

You are mentally sorting through spirit matters.

The Holy Ghost was aware of all mental objections when he gave us his word.

It is as if the cessationist has no where to go.

Might be a good time to question why you would buck the Holy Ghost.

 

[notuptome]

Ecstatic utterances? That's not a Biblical term. Tongues can be spoken in a ecstatic state, I suppose, but so can prayers in English. Peter and Paul each had a vision while in a trance. Most people don't seem to go into trances when they speak in tongues. Paul did write this in I Corinthians 14
14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
Notice if he prayed in tongues, his understanding was unfruitful. It sure does not sound like he was talking about speaking in some language he knew naturally like Greek, Hebrew (or possibly Latin since he just might have known that, too.)

You know full well I am referring to the common practice of tongues in todays church. This is as I have been stressing not a biblical practice. There are no such thing as ecstatic utterances. There are only human languages. That was the case in the apostolic church and right through history up to today.

You force in the spirit to be in the Holy Spirit but that is not the case in these contested verses. Tongues today are by the will of man not the will of God. They are not genuine.

The only tongues that are to be allowed, biblically, are those where a human language is spoken and interpreted or understood by a speaker of that language.

I suspect he'd be disturbed at the disobedience to scripture and lack of exercise of spiritual gifts in many cessationist churches. Paul wrote an epistle in which he explained how 'every one of you' was to sing a psalm, teach, share a tongue, revelation, and/or interpretation 'unto edifying' and many churches have liturgies that don't allow much room for this, or a pulpit-sermon tradition that doesn't allow for much of this either. Paul passed on commandments of the Lord in this book. And he said, "Let the prophets speak two or three and let the other judge." How many churches obey that. And how many churches disobey Paul's instructions, "Covet to prophesy and forbid not to speak with tongues."

Church has been turned into a spectator sport.

Paul would likely go out of his mind if he saw one percent of what goes on in todays charismatic or Pentecostal church. Things have not changed from the church of Corinth till today. Disobedience and lack of discipleship are far too common ills in the modern church.

Church has been turned into a spectacle bowing to modern culture and turning it's back on the Lord Who gave Himself for her. Folks are not there to serve but to be served. To make the Creator of the Universe their personal vendor of healing and financial prosperity.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[popeye]

Well I surely would appreciate all of you keep typing in english in the forums at least. I dont care if you walk on your hands and jiggle your feet in ur home.
I believe tongues exist and always existed. Not everyone gets every gift, just as the Body of Christ has arms and legs and all sorts of parts who do their role.
I dont really see why you would think theres still prophecy in heaven..There aint nuddin to prophesy about.. Plus I can care less. No one knows if they make it anyways. we live in the now.
With that..lets get some chinese food and celebrate

Mat 18:18 precedes mat 18:19.

Answered prayer,is directly connected to the prophetic.

"the anointing breaks the yoke"

That is the breaker anointing.

Very powerful,heavy,heavy anointing.

David when preparing to confront Goliath punched his memory. " I killed the lion and the bear"

Then he punched the prophetic

" I see your head coming off Goliath"

The breaker anointing requires a walk of obedience. It is an intimate,close walk. Totally immersed and blown out for Jesus.

A man that has "lost his mind" and divorced this world.

Almost NOBODY can go there. Way too much to "loose"

Jesus gave it all. What are we doing giving him a "piece"

How insulting.

 

[notuptome]

okie dokie....you are allowed to think whatever you want with your own thinking and interpretation of scripture. I won't call you a heretic because you believe something different.


For someone to tell me that speaking in tongues to my Father is not for today is on par with an atheist trying to tell me that Jesus is not real. Too late...I know better.

Anyway....Bless you. I love how you stand for the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ which is by grace through faith only in what the Lord has done for us in His finished work on the cross and resurrection! That we are rock solid on...

I am obligated to follow the word of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

notuptome alot of people have told you about tounges.

May i ask, do you honestly think, that these people who have been baptized by water, and by spirit, have a strong knowledge of the bible, and strong faith in God, would openly go against god's will and lie to you about the things they have experienced? And what would exactly be the point of lying about it? What would they gain from it?

Its really hard to understand tounges, unless you have experienced it, they are trying to help you understand thats all.

The whole point of the Corinthian letter was all about the division of the church. Are we not all of christ, all baptized by the same spirit? You need to learn to trust that.

It already appears that we have a fundamental difference in soteriology. If you care to demonstrate your strong knowledge of the bible and show where any of the apostles spoke in unknowable utterances I am prepared to be educated. Show me where Jesus prayed in anything but human language.

Man is rebellious and when lacking sound biblical discipleship man will use his will to do what he feels is right.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[popeye]

You know full well I am referring to the common practice of tongues in todays church. This is as I have been stressing not a biblical practice. There are no such thing as ecstatic utterances. There are only human languages. That was the case in the apostolic church and right through history up to today.

You force in the spirit to be in the Holy Spirit but that is not the case in these contested verses. Tongues today are by the will of man not the will of God. They are not genuine.

The only tongues that are to be allowed, biblically, are those where a human language is spoken and interpreted or understood by a speaker of that language.


Paul would likely go out of his mind if he saw one percent of what goes on in todays charismatic or Pentecostal church. Things have not changed from the church of Corinth till today. Disobedience and lack of discipleship are far too common ills in the modern church.

Church has been turned into a spectacle bowing to modern culture and turning it's back on the Lord Who gave Himself for her. Folks are not there to serve but to be served. To make the Creator of the Universe their personal vendor of healing and financial prosperity.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

...and the cessationist uses preachers and YouTube vids to disenfranchise what the bible proclaims about Jesus and his equipping of his followers.

The truth is,nothing changed.

What you do not realize is the gifts are received BY FAITH.

....as is salvation.

SPIRIT FIRST....MIND FOLLOWING RELUCTANTLY.

That is the protocol. That is Salvation,as well as the gifts.

God is a spirit.

The spirit comes and does something SPIRITUALLY. (BORN AGAIN/BAPTISM IN THE H S)

THE WORD FOLLOWS.

ALL IS INTACT. NOTHING HAS CHANGED.

ELISHA DID TWICE AS MUCH AS HIS PREDECESSOR.

FF TO TODAY. "...GREATER WORKS SHALL YOU DO.."

THE CESSATIONIST HOLD UP A BOOK.

THOSE WITH THE BAPTISM OF THE HOLY GHOST HOLD UP A PERSON,WITH THAT SAME BOOK 100% CONFIRMING THE SPIRIT.

 

[blue_ladybug]

This post does not make one single lick of sense.

Mat 18:18 precedes mat 18:19.

Answered prayer,is directly connected to the prophetic.

"the anointing breaks the yoke"

That is the breaker anointing.

Very powerful,heavy,heavy anointing.

David when preparing to confront Goliath punched his memory. " I killed the lion and the bear"

Then he punched the prophetic

" I see your head coming off Goliath"

The breaker anointing requires a walk of obedience. It is an intimate,close walk. Totally immersed and blown out for Jesus.

A man that has "lost his mind" and divorced this world.

Almost NOBODY can go there. Way too much to "loose"

Jesus gave it all. What are we doing giving him a "piece"

How insulting.

 

[Demi777]

I understand what your saying bout David. But I really dont understand what your saying with the rest. Would you please clarify?

Mat 18:18 precedes mat 18:19.

Answered prayer,is directly connected to the prophetic.

"the anointing breaks the yoke"

That is the breaker anointing.

Very powerful,heavy,heavy anointing.

David when preparing to confront Goliath punched his memory. " I killed the lion and the bear"

Then he punched the prophetic

" I see your head coming off Goliath"

The breaker anointing requires a walk of obedience. It is an intimate,close walk. Totally immersed and blown out for Jesus.

A man that has "lost his mind" and divorced this world.

Almost NOBODY can go there. Way too much to "loose"

Jesus gave it all. What are we doing giving him a "piece"

How insulting.

 

[trofimus]

Boy! And I thought I checked out tongues too much. Really? You've read the history of every country the gospel went to between the 3rd and 19th century to find out no one talked in tongues?

In that case, surely you have proof of miraculous healings too.

I must admit I do not understand this post.

 

[Stephen63]

Well I surely would appreciate all of you keep typing in english in the forums at least. I dont care if you walk on your hands and jiggle your feet in ur home.
I believe tongues exist and always existed. Not everyone gets every gift, just as the Body of Christ has arms and legs and all sorts of parts who do their role.
I dont really see why you would think theres still prophecy in heaven..There aint nuddin to prophesy about.. Plus I can care less. No one knows if they make it anyways. we live in the now.
With that..lets get some chinese food and celebrate

Personal prophecy & corporate prophecy is alive & well. God still speaks to individuals, & to the congregation.

Every time the Pastor says "I don't know where that came from, but it's good anyways" you've been hearing prophecy.

Prophecy is NOT what televangelists do as a part of their act..... It's waaaaay bigger than that.

 

[Demi777]

Ive experienced it.. also experienced false prophesy and people cursing one another without knowing because no one interpreted it and no one does whats written lol.

Personal prophecy & corporate prophecy is alive & well. God still speaks to individuals, & to the congregation.

Every time the Pastor says "I don't know where that came from, but it's good anyways" you've been hearing prophecy.

Prophecy is NOT what televangelists do as a part of their act..... It's waaaaay bigger than that.

 

[tourist]

Well I have zero experience with tongues other than my own language and a few Spanish words I know but other than that I've never experience this form of communication. Is speaking in tongue something anybody can do or is it a gift a person has or receives etc..

This product may be useful to learn to speak in tongues.

 

[RickyZ]

"Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away."
1Cor 13:8

The big question is when. If you believe the perfection to come is a book to bolster and support God's claim as to Who He is, you're good. If you believe it is when Christ/the Messiah returns to restore all that man lost, then it's yet to come.

 

[hornetguy]

This post does not make one single lick of sense.

I would say that he was speaking in tongues, but .....

 

[Stephen63]

Ive experienced it.. also experienced false prophesy and people cursing one another without knowing because no one interpreted it and no one does whats written lol.

True..... but I don't stop being real for God & man because I'm surrounded by fakes.

Satan's warfare against the Body of Christ is evidence that he HAS to stop what the church is doing.

If the church is doing nothing, then Satan is in the Amen corner stretched out on a pew.