Two Beasts

[kennethcadwell]

Kenneth today's Israel was so named by England.Specificaly the papal knights of St John who control London/the law/ and Crown Company governments.
It stands to reason, to me anyhow, that these satan worshippors are trying to place their own objectives into prophecy.Are aware of prophecy and called Palestine "Israel" with full knowledge of Revelations.
To create an earthly counterfeit of spiritual Israel.
And hence the zionist myth of an earthly temple being built in JErusalem etc

No the replacement theology that is being taught is a dangerous philosophy.
For the bible never takes the land of Israel away from the Jews, what is taken away from the Jews is their right to heaven do to their unbelief in Jesus as the Messiah. They will in the future realize there mistake during the great tribulation, and fall and ask for forgiveness. If you are trying to say the Palestinians are the true people of God, and the Jews aren't then you are mistaken and lead astray in learning.
The prophecies in the bible clearly say the Jews will be brought back to the holy land and become a nation, that was done in 1948. And from that point on we have been in the beginning signs that lead into the tribulation period. Soon we will be seeing a peace treaty signed, a new temple rebuilt as Revelation 11 shows a temple on the mount. The antichrist will break that treaty after 3 1/2 years and go and stand in the temple claiming to be God. Then there will be great tribulation as nobody has seen before.

 

[Jackson123]

That verse says nothing of a 7 year tribulation and is not connected to the 2nd beast of Revelation 13. The first beast of Revelation 13 clearly tells us the time it would reign but, the 2nd beast has no time period mentioned.

You don't believe that tribulation will be 7 years?

How many years is tribulation will be and can you give me the verse?

 

[Jackson123]

I agree with LAodecia

But I also agree about the jesuits, there was another much bigger communist experiment going on in the world at the time -that history seems to have forgotten about however.
And it is perhaps more relevant to the mark of the beast version of communism. than the Paraguay Reductions

Its is nigh on impossible for me to sell my sheep or even own sheep without government inteferencce. Fabian communism stealing part of my private property, or insisting on controlling the sale thereof.
If I dont submit to thieves and traitors using the coloour of law to buy and sell my sheep I will be shut down, even imprisoned and lose everything.
I dont think this mark is in the future.
I think we have all taken it in the past 2 generations.
And when we realise that we have as the Loud CRy od the 3rd angel exposes it, we will have to choose.
Continue to submit to unlawful legislation oftreasonous defacto governments. Or refuse to.
And it will be a much tougher decision to make than you might at first think.

It may happen to specific country, but buy and sale is still happen without mark of the beast in most country.

When second term of tribulation happen, it will happen in most country in the world.

Rev 13 said this beast have great authority to all nations.

You still can sale you sheep, is that mean you take the mark of the beast?

 

[Jackson123]

communism is Roman Catholicism is freemasonry. They are each the same thing.
Each a little different to what is commonly perceived.
They are all based on the same source and are the recreation of the challenge to god made at the tower of babel.
In undersstanding that you then understand the importance of refusing voluntary communism aka Fabianism.Which has been implemented in protestant countries contrary to law

We have accepted it in ignorance, unaware we had a choice because we trusted lawyers and policy makers.
We trsuted experts and authhoeirty figures as we once did under the pope.
Followed man not god

Oh ya I agree that the system of the beast is creeping every where, though not fully operate till the tribulation time.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Why do some of you want to constantly change the 1,260 days to years.
I know in some places of the bible it does do that, but not in this case.
The 1,260 is the same time frame as 42 months also given in the bible, and as well as 3 1/2 years. All refer to the same time frame of the tribulation.
One of the times I know of days as years is in Daniel 9:27 where it says he confirms a covenant for one seven, or one week as some translations say. This is actually referring to 7 years, not seven days. Then after 3 1/2 years / 1,260 days / or 42 months he breaks that treaty, and then we have the following 3 1/2 years of great tribulation.

 

[Laodicea]

Why do some of you want to constantly change the 1,260 days to years.
I know in some places of the bible it does do that, but not in this case.
The 1,260 is the same time frame as 42 months also given in the bible, and as well as 3 1/2 years. All refer to the same time frame of the tribulation.
One of the times I know of days as years is in Daniel 9:27 where it says he confirms a covenant for one seven, or one week as some translations say. This is actually referring to 7 years, not seven days. Then after 3 1/2 years / 1,260 days / or 42 months he breaks that treaty, and then we have the following 3 1/2 years of great tribulation.

It must be noted that the 1260 days is in the midst of symbolic prophecy so the time line would also be symbolic, year/day principle.

 

[Laodicea]

You don't believe that tribulation will be 7 years?

How many years is tribulation will be and can you give me the verse?

Daniel 9:27 is already fulfilled and the Bible does not give a time for the time of trouble. If it did then we would know the day and hour of His return and no one knows the hour.

Daniel 12:1 KJV
(1) And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.


This verse says there will be a time of trouble but, does not give a time frame for it.

 

[yep]

Kenneth I'm not 7th day adventist but Walter Veith has some useful lectures on this topic.
I urge you to question the zioniist view of Israel in prophecy also.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Daniel 9:27 is already fulfilled and the Bible does not give a time for the time of trouble. If it did then we would know the day and hour of His return and no one knows the hour.

Daniel 12:1 KJV
(1) And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.


This verse says there will be a time of trouble but, does not give a time frame for it.

This has not been fulfilled already, this is referring to the antichrist/man of sin in the last days, tribulation period.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Kenneth I'm not 7th day adventist but Walter Veith has some useful lectures on this topic.
I urge you to question the zioniist view of Israel in prophecy also.

I am not a 7th day adventist either, nor am I baptist, catholic, evangelist, or any other such denomination. I am nondenominational and in this grouping we go by multiple sources for prophecy study, and we also stick strictly to the scriptures. Then we carefully compare the scriptures, and prophecies to world events to see if they match up. Most of what scholars who claim all or most of the OT prophecies have been fulfilled have said do not hold water. If you break it down you will see not all parts match up.
And like I said Daniel 9:27 has not been fulfilled, for this refers to the man of sin at the end of days tribulation period and the AOD that he causes by coming up against Israel and then standing in the rebuilt temple claiming to be God. Since Jesus was crucified tell now nobody has stood in the temple and claimed to be God. Not even in 70 AD when the temple was destroyed.

 

[yep]

Kenneth you are in deep confusion.
The man of perdition is being revealed NOW.In this thread.
You are living in an apocalypse.
But you dont want to hear.

You have believed in lies from churches infiltrated by masons and Jesuits or from the very harlot itself.

As you show no desire to pay attention to any view but your own, I urge you to revise all your notions with your own research from scratch. Go right back to the drawing board and read revelations without preconceived prejudices.

 

[yep]

What is being revealed is ancient wickedness.In a time of mass deluson the veils are being lifted.
There is nothing new under the sun.The false prophet and antichrist are in the past.But they have been hidden. Or clothed .
And now being revealed.
You are looking for specific amazing events or future personages that are not prophesiced.And hence missing the point of revelations(in my opinion)

 

[Jackson123]

Daniel 9:27 is already fulfilled and the Bible does not give a time for the time of trouble. If it did then we would know the day and hour of His return and no one knows the hour.

Daniel 12:1 KJV
(1) And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.


This verse says there will be a time of trouble but, does not give a time frame for it.

So You believe first beast will be 42 month and the second beast you don't know is that right?

 

[yep]

Actually Im not too sure about the son of perdition, but I am about the false prophet.Ive assumed they were one and the same.
I better go back to the drawing board myself and make sure

 

[Jackson123]

Daniel 9:27 is already fulfilled and the Bible does not give a time for the time of trouble. If it did then we would know the day and hour of His return and no one knows the hour.

Daniel 12:1 KJV
(1) And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.


This verse says there will be a time of trouble but, does not give a time frame for it.

Daniel 9:27 - And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


You said this verse is happen, when it happen, it said in this verse, in the midst of the week shall couse the sacrifice and oblation to cease ......

till desolation.

When is desolation happen? desolation of what?

 

[kennethcadwell]

What is being revealed is ancient wickedness.In a time of mass deluson the veils are being lifted.
There is nothing new under the sun.The false prophet and antichrist are in the past.But they have been hidden. Or clothed .
And now being revealed.
You are looking for specific amazing events or future personages that are not prophesiced.And hence missing the point of revelations(in my opinion)

Sorry, but no events in past history match up to anything the end time prophecies and Revelation speaks of that you claim has already happened. That is a false theology that you have been lead under not me. Where has there ever been a war where 1/3 of the earth, or over 2 billion people ? This has never happened as the bible prophecies a war that 1/3 of the people on earth will die in. The AOD that Jesus referred to in the gospels did not happen in 70 A.D., and has not happened yet. Titus did not go into the temple and claim to be God, he actually ordered his troops not to destroy the temple but they disobeyed his order and did it any way.
There will be a 7 year tribulation period that the last 3 1/2 years being great tribulation. This will end with Christ second coming and Him ruling for 1,000 years from His seat in the temple that is mentioned in Ezekiel.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Actually Im not too sure about the son of perdition, but I am about the false prophet.Ive assumed they were one and the same.
I better go back to the drawing board myself and make sure

The son of perdition is just another name for the antichrist/man of sin, and the false prophet is a second figure that does signs to cause others to worship the man of sin.

 

[yep]

the 7 year period of Daniel was when Jesus started preaching.
After 3 and a half years he was crucified.
Then Israel had 3 and half years to recognise him and take salvation through his sacrifice.

I agree Kenneth about some calamtous events in our futures.
I just dont agree about a man as antichrist or a coming son of perdition or false prophet that will come and fool us.
This is Jesuit false theology spread in protestant bible colleges.
These things are in the past but will be revealed in the end of days.

Ok well the false prophet is behind Roman catholicsm and freemasonry and communism. and the mother of all these is roman catholicism so I suppose thats the man of perdition.Although the church is usally female. Maybe it refers to the pope

 

[kennethcadwell]

the 7 year period of Daniel was when Jesus started preaching.
After 3 and a half years he was crucified.
Then Israel had 3 and half years to recognise him and take salvation through his sacrifice.

I agree Kenneth about some calamtous events in our futures.
I just dont agree about a man as antichrist or a coming son of perdition or false prophet that will come and fool us.
This is Jesuit false theology spread in protestant bible colleges.
These things are in the past but will be revealed in the end of days.

That is false, Jesus total ministry only lasted 3 1/2 years not 7.
So the 7 year period in Daniel can not refer to Jesus, and as for saying this is just a protestant teaching of a future main antichrist figure, and false prophet is not just protestant. Baptist, evangelist, catholic, and pretty much every other denomination I have come across and/or visited teach this because it is biblical. There are multiple scriptures that point to one main figure in the end times, not just a religious or governmental system.

 

[Laodicea]

That is false, Jesus total ministry only lasted 3 1/2 years not 7.
So the 7 year period in Daniel can not refer to Jesus, and as for saying this is just a protestant teaching of a future main antichrist figure, and false prophet is not just protestant. Baptist, evangelist, catholic, and pretty much every other denomination I have come across and/or visited teach this because it is biblical. There are multiple scriptures that point to one main figure in the end times, not just a religious or governmental system.

Galatians 3:17 KJV
(17) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Hebrews 2:3 KJV
(3) How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;


These verses show it was already confirmed, first by Christ during His 3.5 years of ministry, after by the apostles. Is is a coincidence that is was 3.5 years from the cross to the death of Stephen? After the death of Stephen the gospel goes to the Gentiles.