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Sorry, but you are not listening

Some can be taught and are willing to learn .... I do not think you are one of these because of your preconceptions that you have been taught ... I know much about what you have been taught

So because of this I will not banter with you over the topic of this thread .... maybe you should start your own as I have here .... that way you can discuss your views with others

I will not allow this thread to be cluttered up with a debate

I am going to finish what I started
 
time in prophesy is never seen as symbolic, to symbolize time is to take away the power of prophesy, anyone can make prophesy and it would come true,
42 months is symbolic of the generations there were before Christ and after His death. It is the last 7 "years" of Daniel upon which the week is split by His death.

The power of death was defeated in Him, but it was allowed to continue another 42 months or 3.5 years.
 
In Daniel's visions of the future he is shown the human component of Satan's beast .... the little horn of Middle Eastern origin .... this king of northwestern Mesopotamia will be fully possessed by Abddon/Apollyon the first beast of Revelation

He seeks understanding about the 4th kingdom that is to come and about the related human little horn .... notice the eyes [the beast's eyes] and notice that in Revelation's account the little horn has become the beast himself

Also notice the beast speaking very great things .... against the Lord and those who dwell in heaven

Daniel
7:20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

7:19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet.

Revelation
13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.


The comparison of Daniel and Revelation's account are the same except that the little horn is viewed as Satan's beast in Revelation [Revelation 9:11; 11:7; 13:1-4; 17:8-18]

This is the mystery of Satan's contrivance [2 Thessalonians 2:8-12]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw0dX-qF_rA


Hold on .... more to come
 
Sorry, but you are not listening

Some can be taught and are willing to learn .... I do not think you are one of these because of your preconceptions that you have been taught ... I know much about what you have been taught

Dude, If your going to try to convince someone of what your trying to say, this is not the way to do it, You sound like a pharisee, not a child of God trying to show us what you believe.

If you can not handle someone questioning what you believe without being offended enough to make an attack against them, I suggest you back away, pray for God to help you with you anger, and try to come back in with an open mind.

Otherwise, nothing you post means anything.


So because of this I will not banter with you over the topic of this thread .... maybe you should start your own as I have here .... that way you can discuss your views with others

I will not allow this thread to be cluttered up with a debate

I am going to finish what I started

THIS IS A BIBLE STUDY FORUM, SET UP TO DEBATE ONES BELIEFS, IF YOU DO NOT WITH TO DEBATE, THEN CLOSE THIS THREAD AND OPEN A BLOG,

If you are going to be like this and try to continue this thread, then I suggest everyone ignore the rest of this thread, and let it die its death. For you are being arrogant.
 
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42 months is symbolic of the generations there were before Christ and after His death. It is the last 7 "years" of Daniel upon which the week is split by His death.

The power of death was defeated in Him, but it was allowed to continue another 42 months or 3.5 years.

this can not be true, because the messiah entered jerusalem at the end of the 69th week just as prophesied. He died literally 7 days later (at the end of 69 weeks) just as prophesied.

Jesus spoke of the abomination of desolation which split the final week in half as a future even in matt 24. And claimed MANY MANY things had to occur before this event took place.

 
In Daniel's visions of the future he is shown the human component of Satan's beast .... the little horn of Middle Eastern origin .... this king of northwestern Mesopotamia will be fully possessed by Abddon/Apollyon the first beast of Revelation

He seeks understanding about the 4th kingdom that is to come and about the related human little horn .... notice the eyes [the beast's eyes] and notice that in Revelation's account the little horn has become the beast himself

Also notice the beast speaking very great things .... against the Lord and those who dwell in heaven

Daniel
7:20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

7:19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet.

Revelation
13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.


The comparison of Daniel and Revelation's account are the same except that the little horn is viewed as Satan's beast in Revelation [Revelation 9:11; 11:7; 13:1-4; 17:8-18]

This is the mystery of Satan's contrivance [2 Thessalonians 2:8-12]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw0dX-qF_rA


Hold on .... more to come

the final beast of is rome, he comes from the 4th beast of daniel. It is not islam, or any middle eastern person. It would be from europe, not the middle east.
 
[h=2]‘Bishop’ Fellay suggests Pope Francis could be the Antichrist[/h]
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A Roman Catholic leader of an order essentially out-of-step with the Vatican made some comments about Pope Francis:
Bishop Bernard Fellay warned on October 12, “The situation of the Church is a real disaster, and the present Pope is making it 10,000 times worse.”…​
Bishop Fellay, Superior General of the Society of St. Pius X, gave an extensive lecture on Saturday afternoon that focused on the Third Secret of Fatima, and its apparent prediction of both a material chastisement and a great crisis in the Church…​
Bishop Fellay quoted in detail Sister Lucy, those who have read the Third Secret, and those who have knowledge of the Secret. He noted Sister Lucia said that if we want to know the contents of the Third Secret, read chapters 8 through 13 of the Apocalpse.” (details of the Third Secret will be contained in the upcoming November edition of Catholic Family News.)
Sister Lucia’s reference to Chapters 8 through 13 of the Apocalypse is particularly chilling, since the end of Chapter 13 speaks of the coming of Antichrist.
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Bishop Fellay noted that Pope St. Pius X said at the beginning of his pontificate the ‘son of perdition’ may already be on the earth. He also noted the original prayer to Saint Michael of Pope Leo XIII mentions that Satan aims to establish his seat in Rome.
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The bishop quoted Cardinal Luigi Ciapi, the Papal Theologian of all the Popes from Pius XII to John Paul II who said, “In the Third Secret we read among other things that the great apostasy in the Church begins at the top.”
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While the “son of perdition” in 2 Thessalonians 2 is not the Antichrist, but instead the final King of the North, Catholic and Protestant theology tends to consider that this leader is the final Antichrist. Various Catholic-accepted private prophecies also suggest that the final Antichrist will be some type of an antipope of Rome. Perhaps I should mention that many COG groups misidentify the identity of the man of sin (for details, see Who is the Man of Sin of 2 Thessalonians 2?).
Believe or not, even several Catholic private prophecies warn of an ecumenical leader who will change their church who they consider could be an ‘antipope’ and/or the final Antichrist.
Notice some quotes from my book The Last Pope Do Biblical and Catholic Prophecies Point to Pope Francis? :
Since Pope Francis I has not performed the types of signs and wonders that Revelation 13:13-16 requires (to cite one example) it is not clear that he is the last pope. But, because of the timing of his election and other factors, if he lives long enough, he could be…
Various Catholic prophecies warn that a major “antipope” and major schism is to come. Since there has not been an antipope since the 15[SUP]th[/SUP] century, for numerous reasons these could be interpreted to mean that a 21[SUP]st[/SUP] century pope will be an antipope who will implement changes:
Anne Catherine Emmerick (May 13, 1820): I saw again a new and odd-looking Church which they were trying to build. There was nothing holy about it…THIS IS BABEL…
Anne Catherine Emmerich (October 22, 1822): I saw in Germany among the worldly-wise ecclesiastics, and enlightened Protestants, plans formed for the blending of all religious creeds…
Anne Catherine Emmerich (April, 1823): They built a large, singular, extravagant church which was to embrace all creeds with equal rights: Evangelicals, Catholics, and all denominations, a true communion of the unholy with one shepherd and one flock. There was to be a Pope, a salaried Pope without possessions…
Melanie Mathieu (19[SUP]th[/SUP] century): Rome will lose faith and become the seat of Antichrist…
Jeanne le Royer (died 1798): I see that when the Second Coming of Christ approaches a bad priest will do much harm to the Church…
St. Gregory the Great, Pope (d. 604): In those days, near the end…an army of priests and two-thirds of the Christians will join the Schism…
Yves Dupont {reader and collector of Catholic prophecies}: “prophecies are quite explicit about the election of an anti-pope…Many prophecies predict an anti-pope and a schism”…
Catholic priest and writer R. Gerald Culleton (20th century): A schism of short duration is destined to break out…An antipope…is to be set up, and finally Rome itself will be destroyed…
Frederick William Faber (died 1863): Antichrist…Many believe in a demonical incarnation–this will not be so–but he will be utterly possessed…His doctrine as apparent contradiction of no religion, yet a new religion…
Catholic writer and priest P. Huchedé (19th century): …the false prophet…will not be a king, nor a general of an army, but a clever apostate, fallen from episcopal dignity. From being an apostle of the Gospel he will become the first preacher of the false messiah…
Catholic writers Ted and Maureen Flynn (1993): Catholic prophecy warns us of severe problems threatening the papacy in these end times…An Antipope will seize papal authority…It will be those who hold fast to the truths of the faith who will be labelled as the perpetuators of this horrible schism, according to some visionaries…
Priest Paul Kramer reported: In 1999…Malachi Martin stated…that Our Lady’s words were very dry and specific and they foretold of a future “pope” (not the true Pope, but a heretical antipope) who would be completely under the control of the devil…
Priest Paul Kramer (21[SUP]st[/SUP] century): The errors of Orthodoxy and of Protestantism will be embraced by that false church, it will be an ecumenical church because the Anti-Pope will be recognized by the world — not by the faithful, but by the world — by the secular world and the secular governments. The Anti-Pope will be recognized as the legitimate Pope of the “church,” and the legitimate head of the Vatican State. That “church” will be united with all the false religions.
Priest Paul Kramer (21[SUP]st[/SUP] century): The counterfeit “Catholic” Church — the counter-church, the anti-church — the mystery of the dragon, whose tail swept down a third of the “stars of Heaven,” i.e. one third of the Catholic hierarchy under the leadership of a heretical antipope…
Catholic author and collector of prophecies D. Birch(20[SUP]th[/SUP] century): Many, many, of the prophecies refer to an Antipope for sometime in the future during which great calamities occur to the Church…
Laurence Ricci, S.J. (died 1775): At a time when the whole world seems doomed, God will intervene. With His aide a valiant duke will arise from the ancient German house which was humiliated by the French monarch. This great ruler will restore stolen Church property. Protestantism will cease and the Turkish empire will end. This duke will be the most powerful monarch on earth. At a gathering of men noted for piety and wisdom he will, with the aid of the Pope, introduce new rules…
D.A. Birch (20[SUP]th[/SUP] century): “The Pope calls an Ecumenical Council which will be viewed as the greatest in the history of the Church. The world is spiritually and materially prosperous as never before and many Jews, Mohammedans, heathens and heretics will enter the Church”…
So, although certain Catholics are looking to a time that an ecumenical pontiff will appear and their faith spread, this will be more dangerous than most realize.
A compromising “ecumenical” bishop or cardinal is expected to be the False Prophet of Revelation.
Could this be Pope Francis I?…
For years I have believed that the last pope would not truly be Catholic. He would be a different type of “antipope” (most antipopes occurred because of disputed elections, but I have suggested that a pontiff who does not hold too many of the core beliefs of the Church of Rome would also seem to fit the definition of an antipope).
Will Pope Francis I end up being that pontiff?
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I do believe that Pope Francis is dangerous and could be a type of antipope. But whether or not he is the final Antichrist of biblical prophecy remains to be seen.
As far as Bishop Fellay goes, his group and ordination are not recognized by the Vatican. Notice the following:
Bernard Fellay SSPX (born 12 April 1958) is a Roman Catholic bishop and superior general of the Traditionalist Catholic Society of Saint Pius X. In 1988, the Roman Catholic Church declared Fellay automatically excommunicated through being consecrated a bishop by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, an act that the Holy See described as “unlawful” and “schismatic”.
In January 2009, at Fellay’s request, the Congregation for Bishops, on instructions from Pope Benedict XVI, rescinded the excommunication. Pope Benedict followed up this gesture by stressing that the Society of Pope Pius X has no canonical status in the Church and its ministers do not legitimately exercise any ministry in the Church. (Wikipedia, viewed 10/15/13)
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There are several groups like his who believe that they are Roman Catholic, but who also believe that the last several pontiffs have not been legitimate in their view.
It is not also Catholic outside of the flock of the Vatican that have issues. Notice the following about ‘conservative Catholics’:
Rattled by Pope Francis’s admonishment to Catholics not to be “obsessed” by doctrine, his stated reluctance to judge gay people and his apparent willingness to engage just about anyone — including atheists — many conservative Catholics are doing what only recently seemed unthinkable:
They are openly questioning the pope…
Francis is “a remarkable man, no one would deny that,” Royal said. “But I’m not sure if he cares about being accurate. He gets into an [evangelizing] dynamic with people and that seems to be the most important thing. . . . In some ways it makes people very anxious. If you do this, what’s the next thing?”
A different focus.Conservative Catholics question Pope Francis’s approach | OnFaith
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There are concerns about this pontiff. He does have a different focus.
Yet, it should be clear that several of Bernard Fellay’s statements about the Pope suggest that he considers Francis to be dangerous. Various ‘conservative Catholics’ suspect this as well–but others embrace him.
Pope Francis is dangerous, but many think he looks like a lamb–and the Bible has warnings about that (Revelation 13:11).
Some items of related interest may include:
Could Pope Francis be the Last Pope and Antichrist? According to some interpretations of the prophecies of the popes by the Catholic saint and Bishop Malachy, Pope Francis I is in the position of “Peter the Roman,” the pontiff who reigns during tribulations until around the time of the destruction of Rome. Do biblical prophecies warn of someone that sounds like Peter the Roman? Could Francis I be the heretical antipope of Catholic private prophecies and the final Antichrist of Bible prophecy? This is a YouTube video.
Which Is Faithful: The Roman Catholic Church or the ContinuingChurch of God? Do you know that both groups shared a lot of the earliest teachings? Do you know which church changed? Do you know which group is most faithful to the teachings of the apostolic church? Which group best represents true Christianity? This documented article answers those questions.
Will You Be Deceived by Antichrist? 1964 article by David Jon Hill, originally published in the old Good News magazine.
Who is the Man of Sin of 2 Thessalonians 2? Is this the King of the North, the ten-horned beast of Revelation 13:1-11, or the two-horned Beast of Revelation 13:12-16? Some rely on traditions, but what does the Bible teach? Here is a related link in Spanish/español: ¿Quién es el Hombre de Pecado de 2 Tesalonicenses 2? Here is a version in Mandarin: 主编: 谁是’大罪人’?Here is a link to a related YouTube video, in English, titled Who is the Man of Sin?
What Does the Bible teach about the Antichrist? This video quotes all scriptures that mention the terms Antichrist or antichrists. It also gives examples of the type of deceptions, signs, and results of the time of the final Antichrist. It mentions certain Catholic prophecies and provides some disturbing quotes about Pope Francis. It discusses Antichrist’s role in Armageddon. It quotes Jesus about the coming deception and what Christians should do.
Pope Francis: Could this Marian Focused Pontiff be Fulfilling Prophecy?Pope Francis has taken many steps to turn people more towards his version of ‘Mary.’ Could this be consistent with biblical and Catholic prophecies? This article documents what has been happening. There is also a video version titled Pope Francis: Could this Marian Focused Pontiff be Fulfilling Prophecy?
[Português: Qual é fiel: A igreja católica romana ou a igreja do deus?]
Fatima Shock! What the Vatican Does Not Want You to Know About Fatima, Dogmas of Mary, and Future Apparitions. Whether or not you believe anything happened at Fatima, if you live long enough, you will be affected by its ramifications (cf. Isaiah 47; Revelation 17). Fatima Shock! provides concerned Christians with enough Catholic-documented facts to effectively counter every false Marian argument. In addition to the print version, there is a Kindle version of Fatima Shock! which you can acquire in seconds.The Last Pope: Do Biblical and Catholic Prophecies Point to Pope Francis? Amazon Book What does the Bible say about a pope near this time? Is the final pope to be an antipope and antichrist? Does Catholic prophecy point to Pope Francis as being the dreaded “Peter the Roman”? This 186 page book provides information and answers.
The Last Pope: Do Biblical and Catholic Prophecies Point to Pope Francis? Kindle This electronic version of the printed book which is available for only US$2.99. And you do not need an actual Kindle device to read it. Why? Amazon will allow you to download it to almost any device: Please click HERE to download one of Amazon s Free Reader Apps. After you go to for your free Kindle reader and then go to The Last Pope: Do Biblical and Catholic Prophecies Point to Pope Francis? Kindle.
 
Bishop Fellay noted that Pope St. Pius X said at the beginning of his pontificate the ‘son of perdition’ may already be on the earth. He also noted the original prayer to Saint Michael of Pope Leo XIII mentions that Satan aims to establish his seat in Rome.
 
Daniel" visions and Revelation's account are totally compatible on the subject of Satan's beast in the human little horn and further study of the details given by the prophet gives insight into the beast's appearing, confederation of the Middle East, and related his objectives [Daniel 7; 8]

He will come out of his place in the northern Middle East, defeat his opposition, confederate the Muslims of the region, and invade and occupy Israel for 42 months [1260 days], and will ultimately be destroyed in the Lord's lake of fire


Daniel
11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

11:39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.

11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

11:41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.

11:42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.

11:43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.

11:44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.

11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.


Hold on ...... more to come
 
Lucifer is enthroned in the Catholic Church. | PRESS Core

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In 1972 Pope Paul VI surveyed the wreckage to the Church after the Second Vatican ...Saint Malachy was a 12th century Irish monk, who, while on a visit to Rome .... Herod the Great, the King of Judea and Palestine was the agent Satan used



in ... that Satan is described as having seven heads, ten horns and seven crowns.




In 1972 Pope Paul VI surveyed the wreckage to the Church after the Second Vatican Council and was widely reported to have said, “From somewhere or other, the smoke of Satan has entered the temple of God.” Archbishop, Emmanuel Milingo added, “I have not heard that anyone has seen him leave. We must pray that he will go away.”
In 1976, Pope Paul VI shocked a papal audience by confiding that, “The smoke of Satan has entered the very sanctuary of St. Peter’s Cathedral.” The Pontiff went on to explain that he had knowledge of a midnight hour, Black Satanic Mass having been conducted at the altar of St. Peter’s, on the exact spot where the Pope himself regularly says mass.
With thousands in attendance at Rome’s Fatima 2000 International Congress on World Peace, a respected Archbishop, Emmanuel Milingo, strode to the podium. The crowd gasped as they heard Milingo solemnly affirm that members of the Catholic Church hierarchy are secretly involved in the darkest kinds of formal Satan worship.
 
this can not be true, because the messiah entered jerusalem at the end of the 69th week just as prophesied. He died literally 7 days later (at the end of 69 weeks) just as prophesied.

Jesus spoke of the abomination of desolation which split the final week in half as a future even in matt 24. And claimed MANY MANY things had to occur before this event took place.


Messiah Shall Be Cut Off / In the Middle of the Week

Too much to post, but for the most part I approve of the message. You know why it seems most of the world don't have faith? As I explained earlier, faith without works is dead. Christ (faith) has been buried close to 3 "days" now in the spirit (on a collective worldly view).
 
The little horn will come out of the region of the last kingdom of the northern Seleucid rule at the time appointed [Daniel 8:9; 11:35] .... after much time .... Antiochus IV was the last king of the now historical Seleucid rule of Alexander's Middle Eastern Asian holdings [Daniel 11:21-35]

He will expand his small northern kingdom by conquering and by making alliances to include the entire Middle East [Daniel 8:9]

The beast in this king will not give credence to the true God of Abraham, Issac, Ishmael, and Esau, but will worship the crescent moon "god" Allah .... a fictitious "god" that does not exist, but is a cover for Satan .... the human little horn will honor and worship the devil from which the beast will obtain his power and authority [Revelation 13:1-4]

.... a strange "god: that his fathers knew not .... the "god" of forces .... his lineage will be from Ishmael and Esau

More to come ........... hold on
 
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Mohammed the false prophet's lineage was from Ishmael and so the little horn be a Muslim

At the time of the end he will react to his opposition from the south .... Egyptian territory, also a Muslim state .... the little horn will add the land of Egypt to his Middle Eastern holdings

He will also enter Israel, kill many and scatter the most of the balance .... and he will place his moorings in Jerusalem claiming that it is the Muslims that have the rights to the land, Jerusalem, and the temple mount [Psalms 83; Daniel 11:41; 2 Thessalonians 2: 8-12; Zechariah 12; 14]

And he will also eliminate his opposition from other nations outside of the Middle East from the west, the east, and the north [Daniel 11:44 Revelation 17:16-18]

But he will come to his ending by the Lord at Armageddon [Ezekiel 38; 39; Daniel 11:45; Joel 2:20 ; 3; Micah 5:5-6; Revelation 16:1-16; 19:11-21]


Next .... the false prophet .... the second beast of Revelation


Hold on .......................
 
A little complicated? ...... not so much seeing the simplicity in Christ's teachings? 2 Cor 11:3

Those who feel it's not the middle east (is the center of prophecy)
......it breaks down pretty simple I think.
1.6 Billion Muslims as of today- that is a third of the planets population. (also millions and millions through time.)
Another third Christianity, and the last third are basically the rest of the beliefs out there. (atheist, agnostic, new agers, Buddhists, Hinduism, etc)

IF there was another religion out there currently as big as "Christianity" (which even includes Catholics, all denominations, etc) or Muslims/Islam -then it would make sense that they will be a part of end time prophecy. As deluded as some of the branches of Christianity are--their base is still/stems from the Bible, so there IS a chance to stumble upon the truth with these branches. Not so much with the Quran.

Since there is not currently or EVER has been another dominating religion like Islam that has existed, it makes sense to me that these two (Bible/Quran) are what God would choose to cover in the Bible?

Any end time theory has to begin with this one undeniable fact. Islam is HUGE, and has always been big.
No one person currently alive/ or individual nation will be able to enforce a one world religion, marks, tribs, when 3/4's of the planet are firmly in place with their belief.

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Any end time theory has to begin with this one undeniable fact. Islam is HUGE, and has always been big.
No one person currently alive/ or individual nation will be able to enforce a one world religion, marks, tribs, when 3/4's of the planet are firmly in place with their belief.


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Does your belief take into account that GOD will send strong DELUSION and EVERYONE who will not receive the love of the truth will TAKE THE MARK and worship the beast...religion, belief or creed notwithstanding!
 
Does your belief take into account that GOD will send strong DELUSION and EVERYONE who will not receive the love of the truth will TAKE THE MARK and worship the beast...religion, belief or creed notwithstanding!

Yes brother. Billions of people who take/have taken the spiritual mark of the Quran and follow Mohammed's teachings, I'd say it's something that shouldn't be ignored. That is pretty darn strong delusion in my book? Delusion HAS been sent. I just don't see another man/system coming around and persuading billions to take up a physical mark....considering most of us will "refuse it"...let alone in 3 1/2 -7 short years? Took hundreds of years for the Quran to gain the momentum it's at.
Sorry you disagree.
 
The beasts of Revelation 13 are the opposite order to Daniel 7


Daniel 7
Lion
Bear
Leopard
Dragon


Revelation 13
Dragon
Leopard
Bear
Lion


That is because Daniel is looking forward while John is looking back.

The 1st beast of Revelation 13 is the little horn of Daniel.
 

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Revelation has the first and only reference in scripture of the false prophet .... the second beast [Revelation 13:11-18]

The Lord's offset to the false prophet will be His two prophets revealed in Revelation 11

The defining of this nefarious character is somewhat obscure and limited, however there is much significance in the actions performed

If the first beast of the set is a fallen angel as described then so should the second beast one of the same

The first, in the human little horn, leads 10 related human kings ... and so will the second have 2 related humans .... but of what capacity?

These must be offsets to the Lord's two prophets of Revelation 11

Since they seem to be leading the first beast's cult religion, this would place them as clerics ... religious leaders

I think that the human little horn will be a Muslim with an Islamic following, so this would require to Muslim clerics

As stated on this thread and I believe that the prophetic scriptures point to the Islamic Middle East for the focus of the end time events to come .... I see this defined evidence in all of the visions of the prophets

Islam does have prominent religious clerics among the adherents so I could only speculate about them ....the two broad based divisions of Islam are Sunni and Shiite, so it may be that this divide will come together under the sway of the little horn who will confederate the Muslim Middle East

And both clerics will be controlled by the angelic false prophet just as the little horn will be controlled by the first beast

Satan and both beasts are three separate entities as clearly stated by Revelation's unfolding .... not the same

He is the one who gives his power and operating authority upon the earth to both as part of his contrivance for winning the game against the Lord during the coming tribulation period

Those who take the mark of the first beast will do so by choice for identifying with him and there will be a way for those who refuse to be identified, hunted, and killed because of their refusal to submit ... at least in the focused region of the prophecies and maybe even on a larger world scale

Revelation indicates that those who become genuine Christians and refuse to submit will be beheaded for their faith as a means of killing them, and this maybe the same for many others who will refuse

The first beast rises out of the sea .... and the false prophet rises out of the land .... I believe there is some significance to this differentiation

Hold on ............... more to come
 
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Yes brother. Billions of people who take/have taken the spiritual mark of the Quran and follow Mohammed's teachings, I'd say it's something that shouldn't be ignored. That is pretty darn strong delusion in my book? Delusion HAS been sent. I just don't see another man/system coming around and persuading billions to take up a physical mark....considering most of us will "refuse it"...let alone in 3 1/2 -7 short years? Took hundreds of years for the Quran to gain the momentum it's at.
Sorry you disagree.

Disagree with what? What exactly is it that I disagree with.....?