Two category's that must be kept separate JUSTIFICATION - SANCTIFICATION

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Rom. 1:17 supports faith, which is the condition for salvation (Eph. 2:8-9) and security (Rom. 11:22, 1Cor. 15:2, Col. 1:22-23, 2Thes. 1:4-5, 2Tim. 2:12, Heb. 3:6&14, 10:35-36, Jam. 1:12, 2Pet. 1:10-11, 2:20, 1John 2:24-25 and Rev. 2:10). Per Paul faith is the instrument of both justification and remaining saved.

Jesus finished the job of atoning for the sins of humanity (John 19:30), but it is up to sinners whether to choose saving faith or ignore GW (Rom. 1:16-3:22).

Re the warning passages: We rejoice because of choosing to keep on believing rather than repent of having saving faith.
We remain justified and continue to be sanctified. LIC, GWH
Salvation by grace through works leaves nothing to rejoice in. It turns the Christian life into a loose tooth you're terrified of losing. The list of requirements never ends: obey, persevere, confess allegiance, abide, avoid backsliding, prove yourself daily. In that system, you become the capstone of your salvation & Jesus becomes a footnote.

But Jesus is the Mediator of the New Covenant (Lk 22:20, Heb 8:6, 9:15 & 12:24). A mediator stands between 2 parties to accomplish what they cannot. Jesus is the Author & Finisher of our faith (Heb 12:2). His role is to give eternal life, not negotiate it or co maintain it with human effort (Eph 2:9 & Gal 6:14). He said, I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish (Jn 10:28) & This is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of all He has given Me (Jn 6:39).

A works based system requires Jesus to start salvation & the sinner to finish it. But a mediator who needs the condemned party to finish the job is not a mediator at all.

Jesus repeatedly states that eternal life is received by believing, not performing: He who believes has eternal life (Jn 6:47) & He who hears My word & believes... has eternal life & shall not come into condemnation (Jn 5:24 & Rom 8:1). Because eternal life is a present possession at the moment of faith (Jn 14:16, John 5:24 & 6:47). Works cannot be a future condition for keeping it.

As Mediator, Jesus doesn't help you pass judgment. He takes your judgment: He who believes is not judged (Jn 3:18) & the one who comes to Me I will never cast out (Jn 6:37). A works based system puts the believer back on trial every day.

The Mediator's sacrifice is: once for all (Heb 10:10), perfecting forever those who are sanctified (Heb 10:14) & finished (Jn 19:30) & If His sacrifice perfects forever, then works cannot ""un‑perfect"" or ""re‑perfect"" anyone.

The works based view says, You can jump out of His hand. Jesus says: No one can snatch them out of My hand (Jn 10:28) & No one can snatch them out of My Father's hand (Jn 10:29). If the believer can remove himself, then the believer is stronger than both the Son &d the Father. Jesus leaves no such loophole.

The Mediator gives the Spirit as the seal of the covenant: He will give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you forever (Jn 14:16). A works based system requires the Holy Spirit to come & go.
Jesus says the Spirit stays.

When Jesus saved & Holy Spirit baptized Gentiles in Acts 10, He demonstrates the universal pattern: Hear > Believe > Receive Eternal life. No: rituals, perseverance tests, obedience requirements, repentance formulas, probation period. Jesus Himself shows how He saves under the New Covenant me Mediates.

In short, Jesus dismisses works based salvation simply by being the Mediator. He's the author & finisher of our faith, the One who gives eternal life, secures it, perfects forever, seals with the Holy Spirit & finishes the work without requiring the sinner to complete what He already accomplished.
 
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Salvation by grace through works leaves nothing to rejoice in. It turns the Christian life into a loose tooth you're terrified of losing. The list of requirements never ends: obey, persevere, confess allegiance, abide, avoid backsliding, prove yourself daily. In that system, you become the capstone of your salvation & Jesus becomes a footnote.

But Jesus is the Mediator of the New Covenant (Lk 22:20, Heb 8:6, 9:15 & 12:24). A mediator stands between 2 parties to accomplish what they cannot. Jesus is the Author & Finisher of our faith (Heb 12:2). His role is to give eternal life, not negotiate it or co maintain it with human effort (Eph 2:9 & Gal 6:14). He said, I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish (Jn 10:28) & This is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of all He has given Me (Jn 6:39).

A works based system requires Jesus to start salvation & the sinner to finish it. But a mediator who needs the condemned party to finish the job is not a mediator at all.

Jesus repeatedly states that eternal life is received by believing, not performing: He who believes has eternal life (Jn 6:47) & He who hears My word & believes... has eternal life & shall not come into condemnation (Jn 5:24 & Rom 8:1). Because eternal life is a present possession at the moment of faith (Jn 14:16, John 5:24 & 6:47). Works cannot be a future condition for keeping it.

As Mediator, Jesus doesn't help you pass judgment. He takes your judgment: He who believes is not judged (Jn 3:18) & the one who comes to Me I will never cast out (Jn 6:37). A works based system puts the believer back on trial every day.

The Mediator's sacrifice is: once for all (Heb 10:10), perfecting forever those who are sanctified (Heb 10:14) & finished (Jn 19:30) & If His sacrifice perfects forever, then works cannot ""un‑perfect"" or ""re‑perfect"" anyone.

The works based view says, You can jump out of His hand. Jesus says: No one can snatch them out of My hand (Jn 10:28) & No one can snatch them out of My Father's hand (Jn 10:29). If the believer can remove himself, then the believer is stronger than both the Son &d the Father. Jesus leaves no such loophole.

The Mediator gives the Spirit as the seal of the covenant: He will give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you forever (Jn 14:16). A works based system requires the Holy Spirit to come & go.
Jesus says the Spirit stays.

When Jesus saved & Holy Spirit baptized Gentiles in Acts 10, He demonstrates the universal pattern: Hear > Believe > Receive Eternal life. No: rituals, perseverance tests, obedience requirements, repentance formulas, probation period. Jesus Himself shows how He saves under the New Covenant me Mediates.

In short, Jesus dismisses works based salvation simply by being the Mediator. He's the author & finisher of our faith, the One who gives eternal life, secures it, perfects forever, seals with the Holy Spirit & finishes the work without requiring the sinner to complete what He already accomplished.

There is no such thing as earning salvation through works. The Israelites were mistaken to believe such. The Christian loves the Lord and cooperates with the HS willingly. This is the way to be saved per the NC, mediated by Messiah to sinners who are willing.

Jn 10:28 and Jn 6:39 harmonize with Rom. 11:22, 1Cor. 15:2, Col. 1:22-23, 2Thes. 1:4-5, 2Tim. 2:12, Heb. 3:6&14, 10:35-36, Jam. 1:12, 2Pet. 1:10-11, 2:20, 1John 2:24-25 and Rev. 2:10 when GW is understood correctly. The harmonization is the realization that there is no qualitative difference between faith that accepts God’s saving grace at conversion and faith that accepts God’s working grace or motivates good works while walking/living, but only a quantitative difference as each additional moment passes–and of course faith remains non-meritorious during the saint’s entire lifetime.

Jesus repeatedly states that eternal life is received by lifelong believing, not committing apostasy or repenting of the decision to have saving faith. Eternal life is a present possession moment by moment, and genuine faith is manifested by godly/loving fruit of the HS (Eph. 2:8-10, Gal. 5:6 & 22-23). The one who leaves Jesus casts himself out (Jn 6:37). No one who reverts to unbelief will be forced to go to heaven against his/her will. Jumping out of Jesus' hand is not being snatched out (Jn 10:28-29). Jesus leaves such loophole, no matter how much you kick against the goad of GW urging perseverance.

Again your process should be: Hear > Believe/Repent > Receive the HS (Rom. 5:5 > Reflect divine love (Gal. 5:6, 22-23) > Go to heaven (Phil. 3:21-25).

Again, raised as a Baptist I also believed OSAS until I read the Scripture you also ignore.
Hear/Read it > Repent of ignoring it > Reflect the HS > Rejoice in heaven.
 
There is no such thing as earning salvation through works. The Israelites were mistaken to believe such. The Christian loves the Lord and cooperates with the HS willingly. This is the way to be saved per the NC, mediated by Messiah to sinners who are willing.

Jn 10:28 and Jn 6:39 harmonize with Rom. 11:22, 1Cor. 15:2, Col. 1:22-23, 2Thes. 1:4-5, 2Tim. 2:12, Heb. 3:6&14, 10:35-36, Jam. 1:12, 2Pet. 1:10-11, 2:20, 1John 2:24-25 and Rev. 2:10 when GW is understood correctly. The harmonization is the realization that there is no qualitative difference between faith that accepts God’s saving grace at conversion and faith that accepts God’s working grace or motivates good works while walking/living, but only a quantitative difference as each additional moment passes–and of course faith remains non-meritorious during the saint’s entire lifetime.

Jesus repeatedly states that eternal life is received by lifelong believing, not committing apostasy or repenting of the decision to have saving faith. Eternal life is a present possession moment by moment, and genuine faith is manifested by godly/loving fruit of the HS (Eph. 2:8-10, Gal. 5:6 & 22-23). The one who leaves Jesus casts himself out (Jn 6:37). No one who reverts to unbelief will be forced to go to heaven against his/her will. Jumping out of Jesus' hand is not being snatched out (Jn 10:28-29). Jesus leaves such loophole, no matter how much you kick against the goad of GW urging perseverance.

Again your process should be: Hear > Believe/Repent > Receive the HS (Rom. 5:5 > Reflect divine love (Gal. 5:6, 22-23) > Go to heaven (Phil. 3:21-25).

Again, raised as a Baptist I also believed OSAS until I read the Scripture you also ignore.
Hear/Read it > Repent of ignoring it > Reflect the HS > Rejoice in heaven.
Paul's gospel of grace given to him directly by the risen Lord (Gal 1:11–12, Acts 26:15–18 & Ephesians 3:2–3),is unmistakably clear: justification is a once‑for‑all forensic verdict granted the very moment a sinner believes in Christ. He describes it in completed, past‑tense terms: ""having been justified by faith"" (Rom 5:1), ""having now been justified by His blood"" (Rom 5:9), ""having been justified by His grace (Titus 3:7) & ""you were justified"" (1 Cor 6:11).

The following courtroom terms: counting, crediting, not imputing & not transformative actions: To the one who does not work but believes, his faith is ""counted as righteousness."" (Rom 4:5). David describes the blessedness of the man to whom God ""imputes righteousness apart from works"". (Rom 4:6). Blessed is the man to whom ""the Lord will not impute sin."" (Rom 4:8).

Justification is received at the moment of faith, not after a lifetime of perseverance: we have believed in Christ Jesus in order that we might be justified by faith (Gal 2:16) & having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit (Eph 1:13). It is irreversible, woven into the unbreakable golden chain: those He justified, He also glorified (Rom 8:30).

This is the gospel Christ Himself entrusted to Paul. A finished verdict grounded entirely in Christ's finished work & Paul warns with divine seriousness that any other gospel is no gospel at all: If anyone preaches another gospel... let him be accursed (Gal 1:8–9).
 
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Paul's gospel of grace given to him directly by the risen Lord (Gal 1:11–12, Acts 26:15–18 & Ephesians 3:2–3),is unmistakably clear: justification is a once‑for‑all forensic verdict granted the very moment a sinner believes in Christ. He describes it in completed, past‑tense terms: ""having been justified by faith"" (Rom 5:1), ""having now been justified by His blood"" (Rom 5:9), ""having been justified by His grace (Titus 3:7) & ""you were justified"" (1 Cor 6:11).

The following courtroom terms: counting, crediting, not imputing & not transformative actions: To the one who does not work but believes, his faith is ""counted as righteousness."" (Rom 4:5). David describes the blessedness of the man to whom God ""imputes righteousness apart from works"". (Rom 4:6). Blessed is the man to whom ""the Lord will not impute sin."" (Rom 4:8).

Justification is received at the moment of faith, not after a lifetime of perseverance: we have believed in Christ Jesus in order that we might be justified by faith (Gal 2:16) & having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit (Eph 1:13). It is irreversible, woven into the unbreakable golden chain: those He justified, He also glorified (Rom 8:30).

This is the gospel Christ Himself entrusted to Paul. A finished verdict grounded entirely in Christ's finished work & Paul warns with divine seriousness that any other gospel is no gospel at all: If anyone preaches another gospel... let him be accursed (Gal 1:8–9).

Yes, Paul's gospel of grace revealed to him directly by the risen Lord.
Yes. justification occurs when a sinner repents and believes the Gospel.
"Once‑for‑all" assumes the saint will persevere in saving faith.
Persevering faith is described in present-progressive terms (Phil. 3:21).

Yes, synonyms for justification include "counting, crediting, not imputing".
"To the one who does not work but believes" refers to saving faith that motivates good/godly/loving works/fruit (Eph. 2:10, Gal. 5:22-23).
Yes, Romans 4 cites Abraham as the spiritual father of everyone who has saving faith.

After a lifetime of perseverance during the process of sanctification we will gain glorification in heaven.
Being sealed with the Holy Spirit (Eph 1:13) is NOT "irreversible" per Heb. 6:4-6 and other Scriptures teaching the possibility of apostasy.
Yes, perversions of the true Gospel warrant being accursed (Gal 1:8–9).

I count five yeses. Are we making progress?
 
Yes, Paul's gospel of grace revealed to him directly by the risen Lord.
Yes. justification occurs when a sinner repents and believes the Gospel.
"Once‑for‑all" assumes the saint will persevere in saving faith.
Persevering faith is described in present-progressive terms (Phil. 3:21).

Yes, synonyms for justification include "counting, crediting, not imputing".
"To the one who does not work but believes" refers to saving faith that motivates good/godly/loving works/fruit (Eph. 2:10, Gal. 5:22-23).
Yes, Romans 4 cites Abraham as the spiritual father of everyone who has saving faith.

After a lifetime of perseverance during the process of sanctification we will gain glorification in heaven.
Being sealed with the Holy Spirit (Eph 1:13) is NOT "irreversible" per Heb. 6:4-6 and other Scriptures teaching the possibility of apostasy.
Yes, perversions of the true Gospel warrant being accursed (Gal 1:8–9).

I count five yeses. Are we making progress?
Yes (1) Yes.

Yes (2) NO! Your doctrine collapses justification & sanctification into one category. Once you do that, you no longer have justification at all & you've turned God's once‑for‑all verdict into a lifelong process, which is the very definition of eliminating justification & Phil 3:21 isn't about persevering faith. It's pure future resurrection & Christ alone action with zero present progressive conditions.

Yes (3) NO! Justification is God counting righteousness ""to the one who does not work but believes"" & Abraham is the model because this non working faith is what God credits. Fruit flows later NOT as part of the verdict.

Yes (4) NO! The Holy Spirit's seal is God's IRREVERSIBLE PROMISE until the day of redemption Eph 4:30) & Hebrews 6 describes people who were exposed to the truth but never regenerated, not sealed believers losing salvation.

Yes (5) We agree perversions of the gospel deserve Paul's anathema & Paul defines ""another gospel"" as anything that adds works, law, or ongoing faithfulness to the once‑for‑all justification received by faith alone. So... Not really.

Results Of Justification

Romans 5:
1 Therefore, since we have been justified [that is, acquitted of sin, declared blameless before God] by faith, [let us grasp the fact that] we have peace with God [and the joy of reconciliation with Him] through our Lord Jesus Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed).

2 Through Him we also have access by faith into this [remarkable state of] grace in which we [firmly and safely and securely] stand. Let us rejoice in our hope and the confident assurance of [experiencing and enjoying] the glory of [our great] God [the manifestation of His excellence and power].

3 And not only this, but [with joy] let us exult in our sufferings and rejoice in our hardships, knowing that hardship (distress, pressure, trouble) produces patient endurance;

4 and endurance, proven character (spiritual maturity); and proven character, hope and confident assurance [of eternal salvation].

5 Such hope [in God’s promises] never disappoints us, because God’s love has been abundantly poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

6 While we were still helpless [powerless to provide for our salvation], at the right time Christ died [as a substitute] for the ungodly.

7 Now it is an extraordinary thing for one to willingly give his life even for an upright man, though perhaps for a good man [one who is noble and selfless and worthy] someone might even dare to die.

8 But God clearly shows and proves His own love for us, by the fact that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

9 Therefore, since we have now been justified [declared free of the guilt of sin] by His blood, [how much more certain is it that] we will be saved from the wrath of God through Him.

10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, it is much more certain, having been reconciled, that we will be saved [from the consequences of sin] by His life [that is, we will be saved because Christ lives today].

11 Not only that, but we also rejoice in God [rejoicing in His love and perfection] through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received and enjoy our reconciliation [with God].

12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, so death spread to all people [no one being able to stop it or escape its power], because they all sinned.

13 Sin was [committed] in the world before the Law [was given], but sin is not charged [against anyone] when there is no law [against it].

14 Yet death ruled [over mankind] from Adam to Moses [the Lawgiver], even over those who had not sinned as Adam did. Adam is a type of Him (Christ) who was to come [but in reverse—Adam brought destruction, Christ brought salvation].

15 But the free gift [of God] is not like the trespass [because the gift of grace overwhelms the fall of man]. For if many died by one man’s trespass [Adam’s sin], much more [abundantly] did God’s grace and the gift [that comes] by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, overflow to [benefit] the many.

16 Nor is the gift [of grace] like that which came through the one who sinned. For on the one hand the judgment [following the sin] resulted from one trespass and brought condemnation, but on the other hand the free gift resulted from many trespasses and brought justification [the release from sin’s penalty for those who believe].

17 For if by the trespass of the one (Adam), death reigned through the one (Adam), much more surely will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in [eternal] life through the One, Jesus Christ.

18 So then as through one trespass [Adam’s sin] there resulted condemnation for all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men.

19 For just as through one man’s disobedience [his failure to hear, his carelessness] the many were made sinners, so through the obedience of the one Man the many will be made righteous and acceptable to God and brought into right standing with Him.

20 But the Law came to increase and expand [the awareness of] the trespass [by defining and unmasking sin]. But where sin increased, [God’s remarkable, gracious gift of] grace [His unmerited favor] has surpassed it and increased all the more, 21so that, as sin reigned in death, so also grace would reign through righteousness which brings eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
 
Faith produces obedience, obedience does not produce faith. Scripture keeps the order & so should we.

Justification: At the moment of conversion, God the Father issues a legal verdict: the sinner is declared righteous solely through faith in Christ & His sin atoning death & resurrection. At that same moment, Jesus baptizes the believer with the Holy Spirit, marking them as His own. This verdict changes the believer's status before God, not their internal moral condition. In that instant, once for all, their sins (Past-Present-Future) are forgiven & imputed to Christ & His righteousness is imputed to them (Rom 4, Lev 23, 2 Cor 5).

Sanctification: At the same moment as justification, the Holy Spirit indwells the believer & sets them apart for a lifelong work of moral & spiritual transformation. From that point forward, He breaks sin's dominion & progressively conforms the believer to Christ. This is the Spirit‑driven mission of revealing & serving Christ throughout life.

Glorification: At Christ's return, believers receive imperishable, resurrected bodies (1 Cor 15; 1 Thess 4:16–17).

Together: Justification (past), Sanctification (present) & Glorification (future) make up the full scope of Salvation.

Sin absolutely carries consequences in a believers life. Broken relationships, sickness, loss of joy, discipline, even the removal of protective hedges. But none of those consequences include the loss of salvation. Scripture is clear that the only unforgivable sin is lifelong unbelief, dying without faith in Christ (Jn 8:24). Paul says that where sin increases, GRACE SUPER ABOUNDS (Rom 5:20).

God's grace is greater than any believer failure. Sin's penalty is death, but Christ has already borne that penalty once for all (Rom 6:23 & Heb 10:12–14). A believer's sin can bring discipline & loss of heavenly reward (Heb 12:5–11 & 1 Cor 3:14–15), but it cannot undo the finished work of Christ or the eternal life He GIVES by grace thru faith (Eph 2:8). The love & grace of our great God & Savior far surpass the power of sin. Amen

This is why works‑based systems always end with a sealed believer supposedly able to lose salvation if they don’t obey enough, persevere enough, abide enough, or endure to the end. That conclusion is inevitable when you mix law that demands with grace that supplies. Paul says the law increases sin, not obedience (Rom 5:20) & where sin increases, grace doesn’t shrink. It super‑abounds! That alone destroys the idea that insufficient obedience can overthrow salvation.

Paul gives the clearest example in 1 Cor 3:15: the believer whose entire life's work burns up, who produces no lasting obedience, no enduring fruit, no visible perseverance & Paul still says, ""he himself will be saved."" That's because obedience belongs to sanctification, not justification. Grace saves, grace keeps, grace finishes.
 
The question is answered throughout the NC and the will of the Father is John6:40 and more.

Your system is to limit Scripture to not include all it says about God's will in this case.

Obedience is also included in believing the Gospel because believing the Gospel is commanded and because according to the NC writers and to a Hebrew concept of believing, there is no faith apart from obedience.

Your Faith-Alone system is a disaster.
Obedience/works "follows" believing the gospel. The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes.. (Romans 1:16) To "believe" the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation. Now faith does not remain apart from obedience because faith is alive and not dead, but obedience/works "follows" and is produced from faith but is not faith itself.

Your faith is obedience/works system is a disaster. It culminates in salvation by faith AND works. 🚩
 
Redemption is synonymous with justification.
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@GWH, I’ve been thinking about what you said here. I have to confess I still find it puzzling. Do the words “redemption” and “justification” both denote the same event in the life of a Christian? If so, why do we need two different words for it?
 
@GWH, I’ve been thinking about what you said here. I have to confess I still find it puzzling. Do the words “redemption” and “justification” both denote the same event in the life of a Christian? If so, why do we need two different words for it?

There are many synonyms for saved, including: elect (Matt. 24:22,24&31) = disciples (Matt. 28:7-8,13,16&19) = reborn (John 3:3&7) = believers (John 3:16, 5:24, 6:35-40 & 20:29) = saints (Acts 9:32, Rom. 1:7, 8:27) = Christians (Acts 11:26, 26:28) = saved (Acts 16:30-31) = those in Christ (Rom. 8:1, Eph. 1:1-13) = Spirit-led (Rom. 8:2-16) = children/sons/heirs of God (Rom. 8:14-21) = the grafted in (Rom. 11:17-24) = sanctified/church member (1Cor. 1:2) = God’s people (1Cor. 16:1) = church/saints (2Cor. 1:1 = the faithful/holy (Eph. 1:1, Phil. 1:2) = chosen in Christ (Eph. 1:4-11) = members of God’s household (Eph. 2:19) = soldier/worker (Phm. v.2&24) = justified (Rom. 3:21-5;1 = redeemed.
 
I see. Thanks for taking the trouble to give such a detailed explanation, but I'm still not sure it really answers my question.
 
I see. Thanks for taking the trouble to give such a detailed explanation, but I'm still not sure it really answers my question.

Well, ask it again more specifically, please.
I admit my hermeneutical tendency is to combine/connect and harmonize using both-and/synthesis logic
rather than to use either-or thinking to look for disagreement/disunity/difference.