Two useless/inappropriate/wrong accusations

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes, I do see the difference!

I understand what you are saying - and the way you approach the discussion about works/faith makes me want to launch into it! Great Job! But - not now - as I said before - it will have to wait - I already am getting way too behind on the rest of my life . . .

I can't evaluate if "Peter refuses to do either" - I don't know - You have been corresponding here much longer than I have been . . .

Like I said bro, I will not hate you or stop being your friend either way. When your ready, I hopefully will have some time to sit down.. and discuss like grown adults (hopefully)

As for peter. stick around, you will see for yourself like everyone else has..

GBU brother.

 

[PeterJens]

Just to be precise, I do not hold to OSAS. But because of this I must be a works believer
and a legalist. But I am neither.

This has always been my position, and I have never argued anything else.
I am against HG because it removes conscience and repentance from the walk with Christ.
The idea of walking righteously, blamelessly and in purity is denied as possible through Christ.

Now continually arguing I am saying something else is not true.
Basic realities of giving up everything for Christ, I was told I was lying, laying everything before
the cross etc.

Now my approach to people is to leave their testimony alone, it is their testimony.
So why do these believers want to call me a liar and paint me as something I am not?

Because if I am what I claim to be, they must not be true followers of Christ.
This has always been the issue, so they cannot believe I have integrity and truth, not
because I do not, but because it shines a light on their position which they cannot accept.

And so I rejoice in Christ and His work in my life, to the glory of God.
Halleluyah

 

[Chester]

I will be honest. I am not sure what language you are using, But when anyone says if we do this. The people who need to listen to what is said is ANYONE who is spoken of (ie, Paul spoke of we (third person plural) meaning anyone who has come to Christ in faith. (since he is talking about losing faith) So the literal interpretation would be anyone who lost faith.

Can you think of another?

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Tell me, What other way could I interpret that. Remembering, that is his word, is himself. and to go against his word, is to deny himself. and the topic is faith, and the only faith scripture talks about, is faith in him..

what other way can I interpret that, I am open.

I am not trying to argue your "interpretation" is wrong - I am saying it is not a "literal" interpretation.

This line is full of your own ideas from other Scriptures: "Remembering, that is his word, is himself. and to go against his word, is to deny himself. and the topic is faith, and the only faith scripture talks about, is faith in him"

What other way can you interpret it? the way MessageoftheCross did!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Chester - You will notice there has never been a Peter issue, it is merely when they do not
get their way they create a big apparent issue but with no content.

The fruit is to attempt to be discouraging, and talking about nothing is used to try and distract
from their failure. Just read the lines and lines of discussion about attitude and not issues.
But it is all pointless, because Christ is all in all, and we are victorious through Him, Amen

see again, It is always some one elses fault. peter flat out told us we were lying about what we believe.

Stunned - Let me bring a revelation to you. They are lying. This is exactly what they believe
but they want to say this is not what they are meaning because it sounds so wrong.

He wanted to tell stunned we were being deceptive, and not being truthful about the way we believe, He made himself out to be god.

when he was confronted. He did what he always does. Gets mad, and starts blaming everyone else for defaming him.

 

[PeterJens]

History

What I find amusing is the attempt to play different games. It does not bother me.
I have always put forward what I believe and address only the points being made.

If I say something simple and someone says I have said something else, they are lying.
It is a very simple idea, but unless you challenge it straight away, it becomes a weird
discussion with someone who is just changing the conversation without being honest.

And that is spiritual reality 101. The odd thing is so many other people who oppose these
believers have exactly the same experience, are called the same evil people and have
their words changed. But in the end there is only one winner, Christ is all in all.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Remembering, that is his word, is himself. and to go against his word, is to deny himself. and the topic is faith, and the only faith scripture talks about, is faith in him"
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What other way can you interpret it? the way MessageoftheCross did!

I know your not trying to argue.

and no. I can not interpret it the way messageofthecross did, for the reasons I said, There is nothing in the text which would lead anyone to that interpretation.

 

[PeterJens]

Gets mad, and starts blaming everyone else for defaming him.

This is a lie. Am I mad now? No. Am I blaming everyone for defaming me? No.
It is only EG, it is his style, like the above.

The above is a classic example of this. It is why this is an own goal, but he does not
see it.

 

[Chester]

I am not trying to argue your "interpretation" is wrong - I am saying it is not a "literal" interpretation.

This line is full of your own ideas from other Scriptures: "Remembering, that is his word, is himself. and to go against his word, is to deny himself. and the topic is faith, and the only faith scripture talks about, is faith in him"

What other way can you interpret it? the way MessageoftheCross did!

Can someone help me with a technicality here? On post #263 what is in the box says "originally posted by Chester" when actually it was originally posted by eternally grateful. His name is up above the box, but it could be misleading.

What did I do to make it turn out that way?

 

[PeterJens]

He made himself out to be god.

Lol. There is no other word for this. The deceived may be so deceived they are completely
unaware of it, but it is their problem, I cannot help them.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Can someone help me with a technicality here? On post #263 what is in the box says "originally posted by Chester" when actually it was originally posted by eternally grateful. His name is up above the box, but it could be misleading.

What did I do to make it turn out that way?

one of us put quotes in the wrong area. Then it continued, and will until someone corrects is.. if you look at this post as I am quoting it, It says quote = chester twice. you have to erase the second quote.

 

[Magenta]

Can someone help me with a technicality here? On post #263 what is in the box says "originally posted by Chester" when actually it was originally posted by eternally grateful. His name is up above the box, but it could be misleading.

What did I do to make it turn out that way?

I see this sort of thing too often, to be honest. It is easily fixed in the allotted time of five minutes you get for editing any post you make. Proof reading before posting is highly recommended How it happens in the first place I am not sure... are you using a tablet?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Lol. There is no other word for this. The deceived may be so deceived they are completely
unaware of it, but it is their problem, I cannot help them.

Still refusing to admit he has a problem. Still blaming everyone else for his own shortcomings.

Sad..

newsflash.

When you tell people that someone does not believe what they are saying, You are playing God.. You are saying you know what they think better than they know themself.

 

[PeterJens]

Can someone help me with a technicality here? On post #263 what is in the box says "originally posted by Chester" when actually it was originally posted by eternally grateful. His name is up above the box, but it could be misleading.

What did I do to make it turn out that way?

HTML you have to have "square bracket" QUOTE= "square bracket " with "square bracket" /QUOTE "square bracket "
to get the quote position right. If you miss one layer out or put too many in it comes out wrong.

 

[Chester]

Chester - You will notice there has never been a Peter issue, it is merely when they do not
get their way they create a big apparent issue but with no content.

The fruit is to attempt to be discouraging, and talking about nothing is used to try and distract
from their failure. Just read the lines and lines of discussion about attitude and not issues.
But it is all pointless, because Christ is all in all, and we are victorious through Him, Amen

I hear you, PeterJens, -- I think these guys will discuss with you if you don't call them names. And if they call you names, just be gentle and loving back. Listen and try to learn from them, and they will do the same for you.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This is a lie. Am I mad now? No. Am I blaming everyone for defaming me? No.
It is only EG, it is his style, like the above.

The above is a classic example of this. It is why this is an own goal, but he does not
see it.

that's ok peter. all one has to do is look at the posts you have made today. They will find quite a few angry posts you made (in fact stunned had to calm you down a few times) . Just because you may not be mad now does not mean anything, other than you were called out and your now trying to save face.

if I was you. I would stop. Your making things worse.

 

[LaurenTM]

if y'all keep doing the same thing and complaining about the results

maybe, change what you are doing?

ie...if someone bugs the snot of you...why keep blowing their nose?

 

[PeterJens]

Weirdly I am being told I believe something that I do not.
By the definition above, EG is playing God. Poetic that.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I hear you, PeterJens, -- I think these guys will discuss with you if you don't call them names. And if they call you names, just be gentle and loving back. Listen and try to learn from them, and they will do the same for you.

lol, Peter can call me any name he wants. That never bothered me. "sticks and stones"

If he wants anyone to continue to discuss anything with him he needs to,

1. Stop slandering us (saying we believe things we do not. Saying we do not believe things we do, Twisting our words to make us say things we never said)

2. Stop crying and getting mad,and blaming everyone else.

and just say, Ok I do not understand, ....what do you believe.? ... Ok, I think I understand, You believe thi?..... Ok, I now understand...However, I disagree, and this is why.

ie. how most people discuss things.

I am not sure that is to much to ask is it?

 

[PeterJens]

Now dear reader, those with anger problems read in anger where there is none.
I am probably the most laid back individual you could ever meet.

But then who am I to say how I feel, lol. After dealing with really dangerous angry
people, this is childs play, lol.

 

[PinkDiamond]

if y'all keep doing the same thing and complaining about the results

maybe, change what you are doing?

ie...if someone bugs the snot of you...why keep blowing their nose?

I know this is a serious thread, but your meme just made me laugh so hard. I love it, haha