Two useless/inappropriate/wrong accusations

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Gr8grace said:
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Originally Posted by eph610
So once again I will ask you and you will refuse to answer, is it OK to be saved and not be totally surrendered to Jesus Christ and what he wants from you?



I would never refuse to answer that. Why would you think that?

No it would not be ok. One would have SHAME face to face with the Creator of everything, who loves unconditionally. And they pissed away everything that he prepared for them in ADVANCE.

But they are still saved. Just naked and shining shoes,happily, for those who advanced and lived the Christian way of life.


Now.....you answer. Would your religion have that person in the LoF or with their Savior?
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If you fail to surrender any part of your life to Jesus after conversion, would you be denying him in any way?

The fact you have to resort to the use of foolish language to prove a point kind of is telling as well....
 
Chester said:
Ach! It looks like it doesn't it?? Maybe it is so . . .

I would have said the same thing about ______ and ________ and _________ on this forum, that is - "It does not matter what anyone says - they think they are God, they have predetermined what is right, and everyone else is wrong . . . "

I am sitting back and really trying to listen and understand and am coming to realize we are all so very different and jump to conclusions too quickly!
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It's Gods' fault. :) He's the one that confused our language at the tower of Babylon so we wouldn't understand each other. It was because He did n't want them to build a tower that reached to Him because a systematic tower is not a relationship.
 
eph610 said:
If you fail to surrender any part of your life to Jesus after conversion, would you be denying him in any way?
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Funny, I get accused of refusing to answer and I Did.

I am going to bet that you knew EXACTLY what LoF meant also.
 
Chester said:
May I appeal for Peter?

I seem to come from a background and circumstances similar - I can identify with where he is coming from -
Putting him or me on "ignore" won't help us grow . . .

And if you put him or me on ignore we can't help you all grow . . . : )

iron sharpens iron

I also understand that if someone is an imposter, stubborn, and heretic, you have to cut them off sometime -- you make the decision . . .

:)
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There is a vast difference between your behavior and Peter's - believe me....:rolleyes:

...We have told him the same thing over 100x times and yet he still says the complete opposite. This is dis-honesty and makes for no foundation to discuss anything safely and intelligently with giving honor and respect for others.

Many of us have tried to use different ways of interacting with him but it always ends up the same way - slandering and he makes these thoughts up in his mind as if they are real. Then he attacks those thoughts as if they are real.

It's very strange behavior and the way this mind thinks is hard to grasp. Some have asked whether he was on medication. ( I have not asked that myself but I have seen others ask him ) If he is - then that would help to explain his behavior.

Others asked him if English was his second language because he gets things so messed up with in his mind about what has been really said. He said - No, English is his first language.

People are allowed to agree to disagree - that is not the issue. I believe Peter is a Christian but his behavior is atrocious and he is unrepentant and believes that insulting people is walking in righteousness and purity.

He keeps insulting people continuously even though we have asked him to stop this behavior. This has been going on for a long time and until there is repentance - there are some of us that are not going to interact with him anymore.

Feel free to try it with him. If he disagrees with you - don't be surprised when he calls you a name and insults you.....I wish you well in your attempts.

God bless you! I know what you are saying is a good way to be towards others and I whole-heartedly agree - but in this case - we have tried and nothing has worked so far. So, now we are guarding ourselves from this behavior.
 
Chester said:
Ach! It looks like it doesn't it?? Maybe it is so . . .

I would have said the same thing about ______ and ________ and _________ on this forum, that is - "It does not matter what anyone says - they think they are God, they have predetermined what is right, and everyone else is wrong . . . "

I am sitting back and really trying to listen and understand and am coming to realize we are all so very different and jump to conclusions too quickly!
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It is not so much that no one is willing to have conversation with peter. It is more that...he gets cranked up and starts calling everyone insane or deluded or not saved or liars and the good conversation we are trying to have to come into understanding of what one another is saying becomes hostile and contentious and downright ridiculous, making all but a few people just flee it because what started as pleasant and helpful becomes awful.
 
eph610 said:
The fact you have to resort to the use of foolish language to prove a point kind of is telling as well....
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Interesting. I put that in there just for you.

Its the word "piss" right? That your keying in on?
 
eternally-gratefull said:
1. You added to the word. Naughty Naughty

2. Just take him literally. Why try to add anything.

If we are faithless (we lack faith) he is faithful He can not deny himself (he promised eternal life to all who hear the word of truth, and call out to him to be saved, He will keep his word. even when we lose faith. because to take his gift back would be to deny his own word.
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This is from Jimmy Swaggart Ministries "The Expositor's Study Bible"
 
eph610 said:
This is part of the disconnect and confussion. I view man as a 3 part being, Man is a Spirit who has a soul[mind, will, emotions, passions, intellect, etc] who lives in a body...The Spirit is made perfect at conversion and our Spirit wars with the Soul for control of the body[flesh]

We agree[are you reading gr8grace] that total surrender is not required for salvation, so sorry If I was confusing on that.

We may agree or disagree on this. After someone says they are saved and who NEVER has evidence they have surrendered any part of their life to Jesus, most likely was mental assenting to the message of Jesus, or expressed worldly sorrow and not godly sorrow that leads to salvation and not truly had a heartfelt repentance....

I am hoping our disconnect gets straightened out...
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I see body soul and spirit also

1. The body will die and be renewed
2. The spirit is dead, and has to be made alive
3. The soul will remain forever. It is our being. It also was dead, and needs to be made alive.
 
Chester said:
?????? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You tell MessageofTheCross not to add to the Word, then you do it!

Ha! I guess we all do it, don't we?
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please tell. How did I add? I just took the word literally.
 
eph610 said:
We agree to disagree here.....this is what is causing the confusion more than anything else. It is not worth friendships or causing others to trip to continue...blessings
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our friendship was never in danger... I am not like some who condemn people and stop being their friend just because they do not agree with me.. I would never have any friends if that was the case..lol
 
Gr8grace said:
Interesting. I put that in there just for you.

Its the word "piss" right? That your keying in on?
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THAT'S RIGHT! ladies and gentleman Mr.Grace proved me to be a religious zealot, because I found a word he used not suitable for the conversation, because of the medium we are using to communicate....

This proves nothing, except that you like to play games and destroy the messenger......so who is really showing their true self here? What is it that you really want to prove and what lengths of the flesh will you go to be right...

Oh how kind of you to try to trap me and putting a word in there for my benefit.....how so very spiritually mature of you.....funny thing about traps, they are often deployed to discredit someone....It Happened to Jesus all the time....

You are not wise and harmless......you are foolish and harmful...and the constant traps and foolishness proves it....

If you have to attempt to trap me to try to discredit me.....it just does not say things to others about your character, but it places your entire theological credibility in the ditch....I would not expect such childish antics from someone who proudly proclaims such GR8 grace....

You are just another cloud and wind without rain...bragging of gifts you do not have....
 
Chester said:
May I appeal for Peter?

I seem to come from a background and circumstances similar - I can identify with where he is coming from -
Putting him or me on "ignore" won't help us grow . . .

And if you put him or me on ignore we can't help you all grow . . . : )

iron sharpens iron

I also understand that if someone is an imposter, stubborn, and heretic, you have to cut them off sometime -- you make the decision . . .

:)
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I too came from where peter came from. I see you are new here, Just so you know. We have had many discussions with peter for months now.. So try to understand, we have been here before, and know what peter is saying.
 
Chester said:
Ach! It looks like it doesn't it?? Maybe it is so . . .

I would have said the same thing about ______ and ________ and _________ on this forum, that is - "It does not matter what anyone says - they think they are God, they have predetermined what is right, and everyone else is wrong . . . "

I am sitting back and really trying to listen and understand and am coming to realize we are all so very different and jump to conclusions too quickly!
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as I have said a few times now.. This conversation is not new, you are just new to it. So you may see it differently.

Peter has been shown grace and given grace by so many people. Yet he does the same thing.

I say I believe this,

Peters response is, No, you (meaning I) do not know what your talking about.

it is the same every time, We tell peter. No peter that is not what we are saying, Peters response is we are lying about our own belief.

And yes THAT IS NOT ONLY EVIL, BUT WRONG.

and peter will continue to get called out on it.

but hey, if you want to try to help him, AMEN! maybe you can do what no one else has been able to do yet.. And I will pray you can. because it is peter that matters, not me.
 
eph610 said:
THAT'S RIGHT! ladies and gentleman Mr.Grace proved me to be a religious zealot, because I found a word he used not suitable for the conversation, because of the medium we are using to communicate....

This proves nothing, except that you like to play games and destroy the messenger......so who is really showing their true self here? What is it that you really want to prove and what lengths of the flesh will you go to be right...

Oh how kind of you to try to trap me and putting a word in there for my benefit.....how so very spiritually mature of you.....funny thing about traps, they are often deployed to discredit someone....It Happened to Jesus all the time....

You are not wise and harmless......you are foolish and harmful...and the constant traps and foolishness proves it....

If you have to attempt to trap me to try to discredit me.....it just does not say things to others about your character, but it places your entire theological credibility in the ditch....I would not expect such childish antics from someone who proudly proclaims such GR8 grace....

You are just another cloud and wind without rain...bragging of gifts you do not have....
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You asked me a simple question. I answered.

I asked you a simple question. If you would just answer the question...........we would be all straight.

It's a simple question. Why do you view it as a trap?
 
Chester said:
He said no such thing! (my opinion!)
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This way of treating someone is just pure distortion.
I find this intellectually dishonest and treating people with no respect.
Now I expect better from people who call Jesus their Lord unless they do not understand
the term.

And this is why this continual distortion no longer upsets me, but is just a propoganda campaign
driven by an emotional conviction, and is just wrong.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
Peter is God and he knows our hearts
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This is just lying and being condescending. How can I take anyone seriously who uses this
kind of approach. It demonstrates the lack of a response, because they are playing a game
of following Christ without obeying His word or believing it.
 
Stunnedbygrace said:
It's Gods' fault. :) He's the one that confused our language at the tower of Babylon so we wouldn't understand each other. It was because He did n't want them to build a tower that reached to Him because a systematic tower is not a relationship.
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The tower they wanted to build was to glorify themselves, not God.

They said, “Come, let us build for ourselves a city, and a tower whose top will reach into heaven, and let us make for ourselves a name, otherwise we will be scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth.Genesis 11:4 NASB
 
Grace777x70 said:


There is a vast difference between your behavior and Peter's - believe me....:rolleyes:

...We have told him the same thing over 100x times and yet he still says the complete opposite.
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Dear reader, I have no respect for a "believer" who claims authority and maturity over me,
yet supports a man who says Jesus teaching on prayer in the sermon on the mount is only for
the Jews and not gentile christians after the cross.

That for me is pure heresy, and is rebellion against the authority of Christ and His teaching.
I have zero compromise over this issue and those who teach it.

Now I have no problem with people who say we have a different view of faith, but not this
condemnation as if I am an anti-Christ, an unbeliever. But this is the spirit of these believers,
while claiming they bring insight, they are actually into real division and attempts to undermine
believers whole experience in Christ. That is not the ministry of the Holy Spirit or the right
division of the word of God.
 
PeterJens said:
This is just lying and being condescending. How can I take anyone seriously who uses this
kind of approach. It demonstrates the lack of a response, because they are playing a game
of following Christ without obeying His word or believing it.
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What Game peter?

I and a few others told you what we believed, And you said we were lyers and being dishonest.

You do it to yourself.. You need to start looking inside, And stop attacking everyone who does not agree with you.
 
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