Understanding purgotry

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Eli1 said:
No.
Catholics are second generation Protestants. Who were the first you might ask? The apostilles themselves! That's why the 4 major gospels vary in writing style because the people who wrote them are different humans (not robots) who express their unique love for God.
I don't even know why i responded to this but put that in your pipe and smoke it.

I guess i responded because a member here sent me a private message a while ago about their understanding of Salvation which she linked to what the Catholics call 'Purgatory' and she also linked it to a 'graduation ceremony' like getting a college degree.

I found it a bit strange but we're all God's children, even the ones who deny Him, they secretly want His attention.
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just out of curiosity was you saying I need to put something in my pipe and I need to be forgiven for something, I thought you may be making that about people who offend your faith, so I never said anything, in other words I never took your post personally but took it on you being in the right about something.

And can I ask, is it me or other people that have assumptions, or do I have a genuine question like, why are people considered dead in that special place in heaven. And people who believe people in that special realm in heaven are dead, are actually committing human error, like the one made, where by the reformation shouldn't have started in the first place, over a human error stating pray for the dead in the macabees bible


revalation 6:9-10

And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: and they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

How can you pray to the dead, as here we see there alive ?


Forgive me if I'm stupid but shouldn't have intelligent people at the time of the reformation saw it was a simple human error
 
Jordon said:
just out of curiosity was you saying I need to put something in my pipe and I need to be forgiven for something, I thought you may be making that about people who offend your faith, so I never said anything, in other words I never took your post personally but took it on you being in the right about something.

And can I ask, is it me or other people that have assumptions, or do I have a genuine question like, why are people considered dead in that special place in heaven. And people who believe people in that special realm in heaven are dead, are actually committing human error, like the one made, where by the reformation shouldn't have started in the first place, over a human error stating pray for the dead in the macabees bible


revalation 6:9-10

And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: and they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

How can you pray to the dead, as here we see there alive ?


Forgive me if I'm stupid but shouldn't have intelligent people at the time of the reformation saw it was a simple human error
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My friend, it’s very difficult to have a conversation with you because even if your spelling wasn’t to whacked , you’re all over different topics in one sentence.
I have no idea what you’re looking for in your questions and I agree with CS1 when he was asking about your well being.

No idea if you’re looking to know more about prayers for the dead, purgatory, salvation or what have you but if you’re going through a tough time spiritually or physically take things one at a time if you want to know more about them.

May God give you peace and everything you’re looking for.
 
Jordon said:
just out of curiosity was you saying I need to put something in my pipe and I need to be forgiven for something, I thought you may be making that about people who offend your faith, so I never said anything, in other words I never took your post personally but took it on you being in the right about something.

And can I ask, is it me or other people that have assumptions, or do I have a genuine question like, why are people considered dead in that special place in heaven. And people who believe people in that special realm in heaven are dead, are actually committing human error, like the one made, where by the reformation shouldn't have started in the first place, over a human error stating pray for the dead in the macabees bible


revalation 6:9-10

And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: and they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

How can you pray to the dead, as here we see there alive ?


Forgive me if I'm stupid but shouldn't have intelligent people at the time of the reformation saw it was a simple human error
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According to this scripture @CS1 there suffering never leaves the conscience to if the living and not dead in that special realm in heaven.

So now I ask is how can praying to your loved ones in a special realm in heaven take away there suffering, and there suffering gets transferred to you. Or me. As in what RCÇ preach.. so even if you get joined in prayer in heaven how could you even become a special saint by RCC understanding, as one and one doesn't add up here, there suffering remains. All that's left is perhaps done comfort you where joined spirit.

As it according to this scripture there suffering remains ?

So now I ask if a person there home work, how could a simple human error be something you could get all radical about. In sense of accusing a fellow brother of promoting purgatory that doesn't even exist ?????

Hmmm 🤔
 
Eli1 said:
My friend, it’s very difficult to have a conversation with you because even if your spelling wasn’t to whacked , you’re all over different topics in one sentence.
I have no idea what you’re looking for in your questions and I agree with CS1 when he was asking about your well being.

No idea if you’re looking to know more about prayers for the dead, purgatory, salvation or what have you but if you’re going through a tough time spiritually or physically take things one at a time if you want to know more about them.

May God give you peace and everything you’re looking for.
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prayers for dead no, I don't believe such a thing exists, impossible, and even if you tried there would be nothing, scripture say people are alive in that special place in heaven.

Purgatory, no either by RCC terms, I don't think that exists, even if a person tried by there terms there would be nothing.

The meaning of purging and the meaning of guilt staying in the conscience until Glorification. Is more my reason disscusuon, and not to mention ending unnecessary madness for many people here.

And the meaning of guilt being a part of the conscience by God's terms, before being saved and after.

And how does guilt being apart of the conscience even stay before being saved and after,

There must be a mechanism by which guilt is able to, by God's terms, in which it's able to.

Which answers the question of human free will not being the final decision over salvation, when you know the mechanism that is .

Which I just dont get how people could get so whacked about not understanding this, when it's seen in the light, it may take a while to sink in but, that's always a good thing in the end.

But then I guess being whacked over the super natural can certainly get wacky I guess, for anyone.

I don't think I've met a Christian who isn't a bit whacky.
 
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Eli1 said:
My friend, it’s very difficult to have a conversation with you .
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so I do have a question

Do people leave paradise to go under the Gods alter, Or is under Gods alter and paradise the same thing.

Dont care about about purgatory anymore, it's fake I've more than proven that, whilst people have spent there time thinking I'm promoting it.

I dont care about praying for the dead to as that's fake to.

Just thought I would ask, you as you seem knowledgeable in this field.

revalation 6:9-10

And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: and they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?.


Thanks bye, take your time, see you soon
 
Jordon said:
The question is what is an example of purgatory in biblical sense.
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Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself PURGED our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; Heb 1:3 (KJV)

Jesus did all the purging necessary.

... the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 1 John 1:7 (KJV)

Trust His sufficient suffering on the cross for your sins. Don't trust your own worthless suffering for your sins after you die; it won't buy anything.
 
Jordon said:
so I do have a question

Do people leave paradise to go under the Gods alter, Or is under Gods alter and paradise the same thing.

Dont care about about purgatory anymore, it's fake I've more than proven that, whilst people have spent there time thinking I'm promoting it.

I dont care about praying for the dead to as that's fake to.

Just thought I would ask, you as you seem knowledgeable in this field.

revalation 6:9-10

And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: and they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?.


Thanks bye, take your time, see you soon
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You're asking a How question here and the answer is "I don't know". In my church this goes under "Mysteries of God".
The altar is the saints crying out to God for justice but i don't know the technical details of How.
If this is a soul sleep question then we don't believe in soul sleep but that's as far as that goes because beyond that is God running the How. We know Christ was in the presence of OT saints in the transfiguration so based on that, from the Bible alone, it says that the soul doesn't sleep.

Also a general statement about the Book of Revelation.
The book of revelation is the most difficult book to interpret. Different churches focus on different aspects of the Bible. For example the Protestants focus on Salvation and Revelation and the payment of sin by Christ.
My church focuses on The Resurrection, the life of the saints which is related to our daily lives, Miracles and how to live a daily life as a Christian by following Christ's teachings.
So i'm not the best person to talk to about Revelation despite Bible classes at the church.
I see the book of Revelation as a Book of Relief. Not of fear. But relief. God is going to open the Heavens and the fellowship with humans will begin just like it was in The Garden.
 
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