Was Mary Sinless?

[JayWalker]

You do not know what salvation is

That's what satan and his demons keep claiming as they try to get me to return back to walking after the old man in sin.

I'm like Jesus, satan has nothing in me so to the devil I'm so slick that he just can't get a handle on me so he can't take me down.

I am already in heaven

It will be according to your faith

Yes and I got my faith from Jesus Christ Who has empowered me to walk in victory over sin unlike some among us that like to keep the door open to sin so they can enjoy a little sinful behavior on the weekends ya know.

You never sinned since you have been saved?

Not sinning is not what saved you.
If we could be saved by not sinning?
That would mean the Cross was unnecessary.

Everyone has sinned a few times after having been born again. The smart ones admit it and quit it and use 1 John 1:9 while those who are carnal among us like to enjoy them some sin every once in a while which is why they advocate for the false "security in sin" so called gospel (greasy grace in your face)

You do error not knowing the scriptures, or otherwise reject portions of scripture that does not fit in with the greasy grace agenda:

Ever see these instructions in God's Word???

1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil

John 8:34
Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 John 3:7
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that DOES righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

1 John 3:6
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

1 John 5:18
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

1 Corinthians 15:34
Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

1 John 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.

1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.

Galatians 5:16
Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

2 Peter 1:4
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

2 Peter 2:14,15
Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;

Romans 6:1,2
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Romans 11:22
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Romans 8:6
For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Romans 8:13,14
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

2 Timothy 2:21
If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honor, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

 

[JayWalker]

Know what happens to carnal believers who keep on refusing to walk righteously?



If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that. 1 John 5:16

So now you have seen the light and understand that it's possible for a Christian to lose their salvation?

Before you were claiming one could never lose their salvation to which I asked "even if they lived in sin?" and you never addressed what happens to a Christian that back slides and goes back to living in sin.

The Galatians turned away from the Lord and went back to seeking to be justified under the law rather than trusting in Jesus and the Lord said through the Apostle Paul that these people has "fallen from grace" so we know it's very possible for a Christian to loser their salvation

So many are being deceived by false teachers who have turned the grace of the Lord in to lawlessness that they can no longer understand God's Word having been brought down to being carnal minded religious cherry pickers. Pretty sad for them.

I do not claim Jesus lied, but I do think you ignore what Jesus said via Paul:

While you just reject what Jesus said Himself about hell. Sad.

 

[JayWalker]

 

[Genez]

That's what satan and his demons keep claiming as they try to get me to return back to walking after the old man in sin.

They won't bother with your old trends in sinning if they were overt sins.
They would like to get you caught up in mental attitude sinning.
Things that you have yet to realize are sins.

 

[JayWalker]

They won't bother with your old trends in sinning if they were overt sins.
They would like to get you caught up in mental attitude sinning.
Things that you have yet to realize are sins.

Yeah but them devils forgot about the Holy Ghost leading a brutha in to all Truth (God's Word) so the bruthaz wouldn't be ignorant of satan's devices.

And the devil and his demons really hate getting beat up and cut down by the Sword of the Spirit being spoken out of the bruthaz mouth in faith which is why they leave.

 

[Genez]

Your camp keeps making the same mistake.
You keep equating sinning with having lost one's salvation.
When sinning we lose the control (filling) of the Holy Spirit!
But, He remains in us grieving until we make good use of 1 John 1:9.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins
and purify us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9

With your immature understanding of doctrine?
One would think that Jesus only cherry picked what sins to pay the penalty for on the cross.
That he only died for a limited number of your sins, leaving the rest for you to atone for

You have a fragmented view of what Jesus did on the Cross.
One that limits God to having mere human ability to save.

 

[Genez]

Yeah but them devils forgot about the Holy Ghost leading a brutha in to all Truth (God's Word) so the bruthaz wouldn't be ignorant of satan's devices.

And the devil and his demons really hate getting beat up and cut down by the Sword of the Spirit being spoken out of the bruthaz mouth in faith which is why they leave.

Are you a teenager?

I ask. Because you reason like one.

Nothing to be ashamed of.
You need to grow up in better understanding.

For teenagers are over confident and think they have nothing to learn sometimes.

 

[Genez]

Yeah but them devils forgot about the Holy Ghost leading a brutha in to all Truth.....

And, none of us here have the Holy Spirit.
Only you.

 

[JayWalker]

You keep equating sinning with having lost one's salvation.

And comments like this let's everyone know your camp believes one can live in sin and still be in right standing with the Lord.

This shows your camp's disregard for what the Lord says in His Word showing your camp to be cherry pickers who reject prtions of scripture that does not fit in with their greasy grace agenda

Galatians 6:7-8 (see Gen 8:22)
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

If one claims we DO reap corruption when we sin, then they are admitting they do not believe OSAS / Eternal security doctrine (and sadly many of their friends will forsake them!).... and if one claims we DO NOT reap what we sow, then according to Gal 6:7, that would be mocking God!

Why would you keep being a God mocker???

Hebrews 2:2,3
For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward; How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins
and purify us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9

And when one continues living in sin, 1 John 1:9 won't work for them because... they are living in sin.

Proverbs 28:13
He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.

Romans 6:1,2
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Hebrews 10:28-31
He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Are you a teenager?

I ask. Because you reason like one.

Are you a fan of beelzebub?

I ask. Because you reason like one.

Only those led by demons ignore the whole counsel of God like you and your camp is doing.

 

[JayWalker]

And, none of us here have the Holy Spirit.
Only you.

There are others here that have not been deceived by beelzebub

 

[GWH]

So now you have seen the light and understand that it's possible for a Christian to lose their salvation?

Before you were claiming one could never lose their salvation to which I asked "even if they lived in sin?" and you never addressed what happens to a Christian that back slides and goes back to living in sin.

The Galatians turned away from the Lord and went back to seeking to be justified under the law rather than trusting in Jesus and the Lord said through the Apostle Paul that these people has "fallen from grace" so we know it's very possible for a Christian to loser their salvation

So many are being deceived by false teachers who have turned the grace of the Lord in to lawlessness that they can no longer understand God's Word having been brought down to being carnal minded religious cherry pickers. Pretty sad for them.






While you just reject what Jesus said Himself about hell. Sad.

No, I harmonize what Jesus said Himself with what He said via inspiring Paul.
God would be glad if you did the same.

 

[JayWalker]

No, I harmonize what Jesus said Himself with what He said via inspiring Paul.
God would be glad if you did the same.

Too bad you did not know that Jesus actually taught one can lose their salvation:

John 15:1,2
I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

John 15:5
IF A MAN ABIDE NOT IN ME, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.


And it's too bad you don't agree with what Jesus said through Paul either

Romans 11:21,22
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

1 Timothy 4:1,2
Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron

*A person cannot depart from the faith is they were never in the faith begin with

2 Corinthians 13:5
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Galatians 2:17
But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
(NOT in our own strength - see Philippians 4:13)

Hebrews 10:28-31
He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

 

[Genez]

And comments like this let's everyone know your camp believes one can live in sin and still be in right standing with the Lord.

Open your ears, please?

Not "right standing."
They will suffer the sin onto death!

Do you understand that?
God will not be mocked.

What they will not lose is going to heaven after they have died a miserable death.
They will also find that they will be denied eternal rewards because they denied the Lord in their lives.

 

[Genez]

There are others here that have not been deceived by beelzebub

That is what the religious hypocrites said about Jesus. Matthew 12:24


You suffer from zeal without knowledge.

 

[bytheblood]

You just said nothing....

When man was created God created the souls "out from nothing" - [bara, in the Hebrew]

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So God created [bara] mankind in his own image,​

in the image of God he created [bara]them;​

male and female he created [bara] them. ​

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Genesis 1:27​

What was created by God at that point were male and female souls.

God, he created them;​

male and female he created them. ​

Created the souls that God had just created 'out from nothing' ...

Now, in Genesis 2:7

And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, ​

and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man ​

became a living being.​

This is when God provided a physical body for Adam's soul.
Proving a body that enabled his immaterial soul to traverse and move about in the material creation.

God gathered elements of the earth and 'molded and formed' [Hebrew- jatsar] that body.
That "lifeless" body. No soul yet.

After, when the Lord breathed the soul into the nostrils of that body it first became alive in the material world.
Our body is our connection to the created material world.

Now, again. Consider this.

When we are resurrected?
It is no longer the same body we were born into in this creation.

Yet?

Our soul remains the same soul in a resurrection body, granting that soul greater abilities unknown before, to be manifested as God grants them.

Adam's body was not created out from nothing [bara] like his soul.
The soul is everlasting in God's image.
The body is merely a biological vehicle for the soul.

You are the driver.
The car is not you.
The soul drives the body.

grace and peace ........

Yet, it is the spirit which, for those born again, should drive the soul, which drives the body. " For as many as are lead( driven ) by the SPIRIT they are the sons of God." Romans 8:14

 

[bytheblood]

"Soul" - nephesh/psyche by and of itself is defined as the WHOLE being of an individual. Despite what YOU say, I believe Apostle Paul's use of "soul" is subject to the Torah's definition, rather than what you think it means in modern English.

Definition and Scope of Usage

נֶפֶשׁ (nephesh) occurs roughly seven hundred fifty-four times, encompassing the whole range of human and creaturely life: the living being itself, the animating life-force, the inner self with its thoughts, emotions, and desires, and even the life that may be forfeited in death. Context, rather than a single English equivalent, determines whether translators render it as “soul,” “life,” “person,” “creature,” “appetite,” or related ideas.

Creation and the Breath of Life

From the outset nephesh is bound to God’s creative act. The first appearance designates sea creatures and birds as “living creatures” (Genesis 1:20). Humanity, however, receives a unique impartation: “Then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being” (Genesis 2:7). Nephesh thus unites material form with divine breath, underscoring both kinship with other creatures and a distinct God-ward capacity.

Nephesh as the Seat of Life

Leviticus 17:11 identifies the life of the flesh with the blood, using nephesh for “life,” establishing the theological rationale for substitutionary sacrifice: “For the life of the creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for your lives upon the altar.” The shedding of blood signifies the surrender of life itself, foreshadowing the ultimate atonement in Jesus Christ.

Nephesh as the Individual Person

Frequently nephesh denotes an individual in census or narrative settings: “Abram took his wife Sarai, his nephew Lot, and all the people they had acquired” (Genesis 12:5); “All the persons who came from Jacob’s loins were seventy in number” (Exodus 1:5). The term emphasizes the worth of each human life, forming the basis for Israel’s laws protecting the individual (for example, Exodus 21:23).

Strong's Hebrew: 5315. נָ֫פֶשׁ (nephesh) -- Soul, life, self, person, heart, creature, mind, living being

Yet," the body without the SPIRIT is dead,....." James 2:26 I only quote what the New Covenant says. What is concealed in the old is revealed in the new.

 

[Genez]

Yet, it is the spirit which, for those born again, should drive the soul, which drives the body. " For as many as are lead( driven ) by the SPIRIT they are the sons of God." Romans 8:14

The Spirit controls the body by preventing the malfunctions of the fallen body, which would make us swerve off course.
The Spirit does not drive our body. It controls us as to counter the defects of our fallen nature, so that our soul will be able
to do God's will, which we must learn about when being taught sound doctrine.

 

[mailmandan]

In James 2:26, the comparison of the human spirit and faith converge around their modes of operation. The spirit (Greek pneuma) may also be translated "breath." As a breathless body exhibits no indication of life, so fruitless faith exhibits no indication of life. The source of the life in faith is not works; rather, life in faith is the source of works. ( Ephesians 2:8-10)

 

[Genez]

Yet," the body without the SPIRIT is dead,....." James 2:26 I only quote what the New Covenant says. What is concealed in the old is revealed in the new.

That is why Jesus said the following about unbelievers (who were physically alive.)

He said to another man, “Follow me.”
But he replied, “Lord, first let me go and bury my father.”

Jesus said to him...
“Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God.”​

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Luke 9:59-60​

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[Lovette]

This is when God provided a physical body for Adam's soul.
Proving a body that enabled his immaterial soul to traverse and move about in the material creation.

God gathered elements of the earth and 'molded and formed' [Hebrew- jatsar] that body.
That "lifeless" body. No soul yet.

After, when the Lord breathed the soul into the nostrils of that body it first became alive in the material world.
Our body is our connection to the created material world.

Now, again. Consider this.

When we are resurrected?
It is no longer the same body we were born into in this creation.

Yet?

Our soul remains the same soul in a resurrection body, granting that soul greater abilities unknown before, to be manifested as God grants them.

Adam's body was not created out from nothing [bara] like his soul.
The soul is everlasting in God's image.
The body is merely a biological vehicle for the soul.

You are the driver.
The car is not you.
The soul drives the body.

grace and peace ........

You're conflating "soul' with "human spirit". It is the human spirit which God breathed into the lifeless body that produces the driving force, the outcome of that is a living being. The bottom line is the same, you don't have a soul, you ARE a soul. Man was not given a soul, man BECAME a soul. When we're resurrected, the same process in Gen. 2:7 is repeated, see how the two witness are resurrected.