Really? Last time I checked, resurrectioned takes place at the beginning of the millennial kingdom, "no trace of the old universe having existed" takes place at the END of the millennial kingdom.
Was Mary Sinless?
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Please understand that I'm not evading your question, I'm evading a pitfall. In my experience, I've had this debate on trinitarianism, when it comes to a definition of God, it sank into a circular reasoning - who is God? The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Who is the Father? The Father is God; Who is the Son? The Son is God; Who is the Holy Spirit? The Holy Spirit is God. Therefore, in order to move forward, you gotta come up with something, a definition of God out of the circle first, otherwise we'll be going round and round forever in this circular reasoning.
And in case you still don't get it, sir, you're not asking the question, you're BEGGING the question. You ask me, "is Jesus God?" But what do you mean by "God"? I know what I mean by God, I'm asking what YOU mean, that sounds pretty fair and reasonable, doesn't it?
Just as Eve was in Adam's side before she was revealed?
We now, are in the glorious body of Christ, awaiting us to be revealed!
Right now.
The real us?
What we are to be in the resurrection?
Is now hidden in Christ!
For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God." Colossians 3:3
So much to know...
What if it could be shown that the two natures of the Son have always existed?
Existed prior to the Incarnation?
And were recorded in the OT Scriptures?
The Incarnation only revealed his two-natures being manifested in a human body.
The incarnation simply caused him to have a human body.
The Incarnation did not cause his two natures in union to originate.
If you could sit still for a moment to think objectively? I would show you.
My objection to the word medium, which I DO comprehend, can be, to the uninitiated, connected with, say, the Witch of Ensor, who was a medium, and was used for nefarious purposes. The wording is what I objected to. Spokesperson, which you used later in your post, eliminates the chance for confusion.
Was the Father telling the Word to listen to Himself? Or was God speaking to those MEN who were present when He said it? P.S. I included Luke 9:35 in my post. God gave verbal witness to identify and confirm who Jesus was/is.
He hadn't manifested as the Son yet, the Father had not yet prepared him a body, it wasn't " the fullness of time." He, at that time, was God, the Word. If angels can appear as men are you saying that God, the Word, couldn't?
Correct, though it was the Word throughout the Old Testament and the New Testament.
The Father handed everything over to the Son.
Here is a visual image of YHWH.
Ezekiel 1:26-28
Now above the expanse that was over their heads there was something resembling a throne, like lapis lazuli
in appearance; and on that which resembled a throne, high up, was a figure with the appearance of a man.
Then I noticed from the appearance of His loins and upward something like glowing metal that looked like fire
all around within it, and from the appearance of His loins and downward I saw something like fire; and there was
a radiance around Him. As the appearance of the rainbow in the clouds on a rainy day, so was the appearance
of the surrounding radiance. Such was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord. And when I saw it,
I fell on my face and heard a voice speaking.
You have been created in the Lord's image and that is the image above.
The Father is Spirit and no one has ever seen the Father because you cannot see the Spirit.
The Word on the other hand is visual, audible, you can even know Him and touch Him.
That is what "The Word" means.
Now you are saying something different. Before you stated the new order came before our new bodies, now you are saying the opposite.
It seems you don't know what you're talking about.
Really? Then how come so many can answer that question so easily but not you.
There is only He who is who He is. Our definition is irrelevant. The Lord Jesus Christ defines who God is because He is God. You seem to have a problem with that and would rather make your own definition of who God is. So be it.
We are not debating the Trinity doctrine. We are not trying to define God the Father, Son or Spirit. There is no circle to go around except in your own mind if you cannot answer whether the Lord Jesus is the One and only God of the universe.
Millions of Christians can answer that question in the affirmative without having to jump through hoops. You seem to be unable, so be it.
Have a nice day.
No I see nothing reasonable about it as defining what God is was never the question. God is God, there is only One. You think there is more because of human definition? That's on you, not me. Our definitions do not make God to be who or what He is. Isaiah understood, even if you can't.
Isaiah 37:16
“O Lord of hosts, God of Israel, the One who dwells between the cherubim, You are God, You alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth. You have made heaven and earth.
Isaiah 44:8
Do not fear, nor be afraid; Have I not told you from that time, and declared it? You are My witnesses. Is there a God besides Me? Indeed there is no other Rock; I know not one.’ ”
Have a nice day.
A small part to play in pointing the apostles to Jesus.
The Father put everything into the Son's hands from creation to the end of all things.
We only know the Father through the Son.
No one has ever known the Father.
No one has ever seen the Father.
If anyone said they saw God in the O.T they were seeing the Word.
The Word became flesh.
The Word was and is YHWH.
The name of the Father is unknown.
The name of the Holy Spirit is unknown.
" Holy Spirit" is his name.
As the Son is a human soul and Deity in union?
The Holy Spirit is a spirit (of angels) and Deity in union.
For example:
Before the Incarnation?
The Lord God of Israel was being both soul and Deity in union!
And they began to remove the foreign gods from their midst and to serve Jehovah, so that his soul became impatient because of the trouble of Israel. Jdges 10:16
Jehovah himself examines the righteous one as well as the wicked one, and anyone loving violence his soul certainly hates." Ps 11:5
'You will eat the old supply and clear out the old because of the new. Moreover, I will make My dwelling among you, and My soul will not reject you.'I will also walk among you and be your God, and you shall be
My people." Lev 26:10-12
My people." Lev 26:10-12
Keep in mind...
Deity is not soul.
Soul is a different nature/essence than Deity!
God is a spirit: and they that worship him must worship in spirit and truth." ..... John 4:24
Grace and peace!