God created " He THEM", in Adam, Adam then was formed, Eve was made. God breathed into HIS nostrils the, as you have said, "breaths of life", s is plural, more than one . You figure it from there. I NEVER said anything about how Adam acted, how would I know? " You can't have two souls in one body being that one person." No way God, THAT would be IMPOSSIBLE.
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And what makes YOU think you have the corner on the truth. " Identical twins originate from a SINGLE fertilized egg that splits into two embryos." Something along those lines. Those embryos have souls, babies in the earliest forms.
I'm responding to Genez, who states the God breathed the" breaths of life ", not breath of life. The s make it plural, more than one. There is nothing written about God breathing into Eve when He " made " her, so God must have breathed, according to the term " the breaths of life " , THE breath of life for Eve for pro-creation into Adam also.
So the Word, in Spirit form, couldn't possibly have been a messenger of God the Father in the OT? He, in bodily form, certainly was a messenger of God, the Father, in the NT, wasn't He?
He has not stated breaths is plural. He has said life is plural.
It is not breaths, plural, it is lives plural ... breath (singular) of lives (plural). One breath of God containing Adam's spiritual (spirit) and human (soul) life.
Something like the One walking in the furnace with the three Hebrew boys?
Then how, being made and not born, did Eve get that " breath of life " ( sing., fem.)?
Okay, my bad, I worded it wrong. Let me ask you this, do you also believe that man is a spiritless soul who receives a spirit at the receiving of Jesus Christ as Savior?
Is the WORD co-equal with God? If so, He can't be "an" angel or "the" angel, especially in his "spiritual form", since angels are servants of God. Does his appearance in Rev. 1 count as spiritual form? If so, how could he be in the status of any angel when he was the one judging the seven angels of the seven churches?
Yes, " But he whose descent is not counted from them (humans) received tithes of Abraham..." Heb. 7:6 Hint: Key word, DESCENT. His genealogy is from above. BTW, when Melchizedek received tithes from Abraham there were no priestly rights in Genesis, it had not been set up yet.
1) Yes 2) He certainly could be a messenger of God, the Father, the description of angel in it's narrowest form, to be great you ARE a servant, according to Jesus. 3) Jesus, the Word, is now in bodily form and the Bible says that John was " in the Spirit " 4) " Know ye not that we shall judge angels?" 1 Cor. 6:3 This is talking about the redeemed judging angels and we're not in the status of angels, yet we will judge them. The seven angels of the seven churches are men, Pastors/leaders of those churches, not spirit beings.
Embryos do not yet have souls.....
I got to hand it to the KJV. I usually do not care for it much.
But the translators (in this case) did not play games when it came to giving what the Hebrew and Greek says.
We are not a person (body and soul) until we are outside the womb.
Translated correctly- "from the womb."
Look here, please! https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch="from+the+womb"&version=KJV
Easily read and given no thought. But!
In the Greek, when it speaks of John the Baptist?
It says he was filled with the Spirit out from the womb. (ek kolia)
You opened a potential can of worms with that one.
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God created (bara) out from nothing the immaterial male and female souls. (Genesis 1:27)
No human body was yet given for the souls until Genesis 2.
The Hebrew says the body was not *bara.* It was 'jatsar.'
Not the same thing was going on in Genesis 1:27 and Genesis 2:7.
It says that the Lord 'molded and formed' (jatsar) Adam's body out from created material.
Unlike the soul which was created out from nothing (bara).
They ARE angels, not men. Interpreting them as men is spirtualization. As long as you believe these seven churches - also archetypes of churches - are still alive and relevant, they are guardian angels, not just mortal men in the 1st century Asia minor.
"Angels" are God's ministers overseeing human nations. In Deut. 32:8, God divided humanity into originally 70 nations and assigned heavenly hosts to oversee these nations. In most bible translations it reads "according to the number of the children of Israel", but in the Septuigent it's "angels of God", in the Dead Sea Scroll it's "sons of God". That's what Paul meant by "wrestling with principalities instead of flesh and blood". Those angels are the principalities, rulers of darkness. Since even we, the servants of Jesus, get to judge those angels, how could Jesus, the master himself be equated with an angel?
When the Most High divided their inheritance to the nations,
When He separated the sons of Adam,
He set the boundaries of the peoples
According to the number of the children of Israel.
I went to the market and got a bag of groceries. When I left the store did I get the bag when I LEFT the store or did I carry the bag FROM the store? I had the bag inside AND outside of the store. ' And it came to pass that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the BABE(BABY) leaped in her womb: and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:" It seems that a BABY was in Elisabeth's womb, a person. Have you ever looked at a sonagram. A baby can suck it's thumb, feel pain, etc., etc., and you say that a baby, even in the womb, is not a person? In most jurisdictions in the US if a person shoots a pregnant woman so that she and the child she is carrying dies, the person firing the weapon will be charged with TWO counts of murder, not one, because TWO lives were snuffed out. " Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee: and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations." Jeremiah 1:5 God sanctified Jeremiah BEFORE he came out of the womb, he, in the womb, was already a person. You seem, to me, with your viewpoint, that abortion is okay with you, while I view it as murder. 60 to 70 million babies or more since the passage of Roe vs Wade. Did you put your amen on that?Embryos do not yet have souls.....
I got to hand it to the KJV. I usually do not care for it much.
But the translators (in this case) did not play games when it came to giving what the Hebrew and Greek says.
We are not a person (body and soul) until we are outside the womb.
Translated correctly- "from the womb."
Look here, please! https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch="from+the+womb"&version=KJV
Easily read and given no thought. But!
In the Greek, when it speaks of John the Baptist?
It says he was filled with the Spirit out from the womb. (ek kolia)
You opened a potential can of worms with that one.
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" Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, BUT TO MINISTER, and to give His life a ransom for many." Matt 20:28. Let me make this clear, Jesus " Being made so much better than the angels as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent Name than they." Heb. 1:4 is above the angels, He created them. But that doesn't mean that He CAN'T do some things the angels also do, like minister ,serve, be the Father's messenger, etc. He doesn't ACT above doing whatever is needed for the kingdom, even though He is. None of those particular churches are in existence today, they represent what Jesus expects His church to be and/or not to be. But men, not angels, will lead the church, hopefully under Christ, not spiritual angels. There is a problem believing that the angels referenced in Rev. are spiritual beings. John was writing letters to these churches, why should he write letters to the spiritual angels- were the letters going to be read to the congregants by celestial beings? Highly doubtful. No, they were the Bishops, Elders and Pastors who were the human spiritual guides and who were the leaders of said churches. Angels got what God wanted to convey straight from Him, not through letters from man.
Just because he can doesn't he he should or would. There're some teachings that identify Jesus as an angel, such as Michael the archangel, that's heresy.
Right, "leaders of SAID churches," but who and where are these "said churches" today? I ask you again, are these seven churches just seven particular churches in modern day Turkey, or seven archetypes of churches that are still alive and relevant in modern day? If the former, then they could be men; if the latter, then they can only be spiritual beings, 'cause Bishops, Elders and Pastors don't live forever, angels do; those seven particular churches don't exist anymore, those seven associated spirits do.