We will need bodies for one thing only, to, legally, live here on earth. Heaven will not be our home. That's why the Word "put on flesh", why evil angels had to inhabit the bodies of men. " With my soul have I desired Thee in the night; yea, WITH MY SPIRIT WITHIN ME will I seek thee early: for when Thy judgements are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness." Isaiah 26:9 The Holy Spirit inspired Isaiah to write this, argue with Him. Isaiah knew he had a spirit, but you don't, SMH. Other than this subject, aren't YOU a rational being. If yes, than you have a spirit, even before you received Christ. For only a rational being. man, has a spirit, and there are rational beings who have not received Christ as their Savior, yet. " For the destiny of humankind and the destiny of animals are one and the same, As one dies, so dies the other. Both have the same breath- a human has no advantage over an animal-both are fleeting. Both go to one place. Both were taken from dust, and both return to the dust. Who knows that the spirits of the sons of man ascends upward and the animal's spirit descends into the earth?" Ecc. 3:21 Messianic Tree of Learning Version. Again, I, in many posts, have answered you questions. What question do you want me to answer, again? " We are made in the image of God the Son." Why did you leave out the Father and the Holy Spirit? God, the Father, clearly stated," Let US make man in OUR image and after OUR likeness." All three parts of the Godhead, the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit, when the Father spoke this, and when They made man, were in Spirit form, the Word had not" put on flesh" yet. AND I'M BEING DECEPTIVE???Your argument regarding that verse has never been who knows the answer to the question so why you are wasting space with this now, I don't know.
I have twisted nothing, ruach can mean breath, fact! Context and comparison demands understanding. You ignore, deny and misrepresent (as shown below) God's word.
Ecclesiastes 3:21
HEB: מִ֣י יוֹדֵ֗עַ ר֚וּחַ בְּנֵ֣י הָאָדָ֔ם
NAS: knows that the breath of man
KJV: Who knoweth the spirit of man
INT: Who knows the breath afflicted of man
It also says:
1. wind
2. by resemblance breath, i.e. a sensible (or even violent) exhalation
3. (figuratively) life, anger, unsubstantiality
4. by extension, a region of the sky
5. by resemblance spirit, but only of a rational being (including its expression and functions)
And you NEVER acknowledge the other four meanings to hone in on your one pick and worse still, is you deliberately misrepresent the meaning of an actual spirit for it only relates to a rational being. Ergo, animals do not have a spirit, therefore it is not talking about actual spirits in man or beast as shown in the above translations.
Are we going to get a body like His? We are made in the image of God the Son who is Spirit, Soul and Body. All things were created through, by and for Him. We are not made in the likeness of the Father who is Spirit only, if we were, we would not be souls. No-one has seen the Father except the Son, we see the Father only through the Son because we are made in the Son's image.
As for the rest of your post, once again, you completely ignored my question because you know you have no answer.
It seems the best you can do is ramble on with something that has no bearing on whether man is born with a human spirit or whether he gains one when he is born from above upon believing the Gospel.
People can see for themselves your deceptive and dismissive handling of God's word, I need say no more. It's shameful.
grace and peace
And now you. Sawdust is your proper handle? Sawdust is sometimes used to clean up liquid waste. But OK, no offence intended.
P.S. We are made in the image of the Father, that's why we are spirits who possess souls and live in bodies. God is a Spirit, who possesses a soul, we need bodies to legally live here on earth.Your argument regarding that verse has never been who knows the answer to the question so why you are wasting space with this now, I don't know.
I have twisted nothing, ruach can mean breath, fact! Context and comparison demands understanding. You ignore, deny and misrepresent (as shown below) God's word.
Ecclesiastes 3:21
HEB: מִ֣י יוֹדֵ֗עַ ר֚וּחַ בְּנֵ֣י הָאָדָ֔ם
NAS: knows that the breath of man
KJV: Who knoweth the spirit of man
INT: Who knows the breath afflicted of man
It also says:
1. wind
2. by resemblance breath, i.e. a sensible (or even violent) exhalation
3. (figuratively) life, anger, unsubstantiality
4. by extension, a region of the sky
5. by resemblance spirit, but only of a rational being (including its expression and functions)
And you NEVER acknowledge the other four meanings to hone in on your one pick and worse still, is you deliberately misrepresent the meaning of an actual spirit for it only relates to a rational being. Ergo, animals do not have a spirit, therefore it is not talking about actual spirits in man or beast as shown in the above translations.
Are we going to get a body like His? We are made in the image of God the Son who is Spirit, Soul and Body. All things were created through, by and for Him. We are not made in the likeness of the Father who is Spirit only, if we were, we would not be souls. No-one has seen the Father except the Son, we see the Father only through the Son because we are made in the Son's image.
As for the rest of your post, once again, you completely ignored my question because you know you have no answer.
It seems the best you can do is ramble on with something that has no bearing on whether man is born with a human spirit or whether he gains one when he is born from above upon believing the Gospel.
People can see for themselves your deceptive and dismissive handling of God's word, I need say no more. It's shameful.
grace and peace
Christ in you the hope of glory is the riches of the glory of the mystery ...
The dead in Christ spoken of in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 are those who have been born again on or after Day of Pentecost during this period of time which was hid from prophets of old who "enquired and searched diligently" concerning "the grace that should come unto you" (1 Peter 1:10) and in whom the "Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow" (1 Peter 1:11).
Daniel 12:1-2
try Isaiah 26:19.Do they all awake at the same time? I can't tie in Isaiah 26:9 with this subject, must be above my pay grade)
1) The new Jerusalem, a heavenly prepared place, WILL COME DOWN TO EARTH and The Father and the Word(Son) will, with us, dwell therein. If you know scripture you know this. So we will dwell in a heavenly place, on earth. 2) When was Isaiah " born from above? 3) No, an animal is not a rational being, only man has this spirit, because he is rational. Spirit is translated in different ways. We've been through this before but compare Greek 4151 pneuma which can mean a currant of air, i.e. breath (blast) or a breeze; by anal. or fig. a SPIRIT i.e. (HUMAN), the RATIONAL soul (by impl.) Vital principle...... with Greek 5590 psuche: breath, i.e. (by impl) spirit, abstr. or concr. ( THE ANIMAL SENTIENT PRINCIPLE ONLY; THUS DISTINGUISHED FROM 4151 WHICH IS THE RATIONAL AND IMMORTAL SOUL..... Man and animals have differing spirits, but spirits nonetheless. 4) "How do the spiritually dead hear?" " My Words unto you they are SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LIFE." John 6:63. God can't raise the dead to life? If you say no, than what about that valley of dry bones? Lazarus? the Shunammite son that God raised from the dead through Elisha? Etc., Etc. 5) Animals having spirits? see #3 6)" How did the scripture writers see the Kingdom of God before them if they were not born of God?" Explain this, " Nebuchadnezzar the king, unto all people, nations, and languages, that dwell in all the earth. Peace be multiplied unto you. I thought it good to show the signs and wonders that the High God hath wrought toward me. How great are His signs! and how mighty are His wonders! HIS KINGDOM IS AN EVERLASTING KINGDOM, and His dominion is from generation to generation." Was Nebuchadnezzar born from above? Did he see Gods' kingdom? 6) The Father, Word and the Holy Spirit were , in Gen.1:26, in Spirit form and all had souls. The Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world in Gods' plan, only. Of course it came to pass, but thousands of years later. The Word had not yet put on flesh . In Their image and after Their likeness was as They were at that present time, in Spirit form. He then formed mans body from the dust of the earth and blew the breath of life, spirit and soul (Their image), into his nostrils and man became a living soul. But the life emanates from the spirit through the soul, which "BECAME a living soul" 7) When sawdust cleans up liquid waste what does it become? Waste.
"THY dead men shall live together with my dead body shall they arise." Isaiah 26:19 This speaks of those belonging to God.
What about those who rose from the grave after Jesus' resurrection?
The Bible says that the spirit goes up. My life resides in Christ.
" The dead in Christ spoken of in 1 Thess. 4:17 are those who have been born again on or after the day of Pentecost.........." Seems to indicate that no one before the day of Pentecost was in Christ, even though the Spirit of Christ was sometimes in them.
1Thessalonians 5:23
