were there dinosaurs before God created Earth?

[tanakh]

In the flood story Noah only took land animals and birds on board the ark. No mention of Whales Dolphins or very large now extinct
aquatic dinosaurs, crustaceans or fish. Come to think of it there is no mention of any creature by name apart from Doves They are all described as being clean or unclean which to me shows the story deals with sacrificial offerings rather than anything else. Tying to create some kind of theory from this seems to be a waste of time because the Bible is not a Scientific Textbook.

 

[Dino246]

In the flood story Noah only took land animals and birds on board the ark. No mention of Whales Dolphins or very large now extinct
aquatic dinosaurs, crustaceans or fish. Come to think of it there is no mention of any creature by name apart from Doves They are all described as being clean or unclean which to me shows the story deals with sacrificial offerings rather than anything else. Tying to create some kind of theory from this seems to be a waste of time because the Bible is not a Scientific Textbook.

I agree; Noah would not have taken aquatic creatures on the ark. He did, however, take at least one raven... Genesis 8:27.

 

[LPT]

If you read the Torah, Genesis (Bereishit) 1:1 it's interpreted that earth is complete with life. Then in verse 2, the world is submerged under water and there is no life.


Let's for a moment pretend this is accurate and Genesis 1:1 actually had pre-adomite/historic humans and dinosaurs. And by verse 2 this life is now dead and the earth is under water and chaotic.

Job has an interesting verse in it, and many claim Job to be older than the first 5 books of the Bible:
Job 26:5 Dead things are formed from under the waters, and the inhabitants thereof.

I like this verse because I relate it to, if Genesis 1:1 had living dinosaurs and humans, and verse 2 now has the face of the earth under water; if you understand the science behind water damage, you understand that fossils will appear to be much much older than they truthfully are.

Science insists that dinosaurs fossils are millions of years old. But if a dinosaur fossil spent 10,000 years under water, it would be impossible to accurately date it, thus allowing science to claim it's as old as they are claiming. And the water damage follows Job 26:5 Dead things are formed from under the waters, and the inhabitants thereof...to a T!

But, Noah's water was not covering the earth for 10,000 years.
However though, If from Genesis 1:1 to Genesis 1:2 was 10,000 years, that would be enough time to cause any fossil to appear literally 100 times to 1,000 times older than they really are.

Interesting view, if I’m not mistaking every living animal planet organism, humans included are born out of water.

 

[ProphetExcalibur]

THE OLD EARTH (GAP) THEORY​

To better understand what the Bible really says, about the age of the earth, we must critically inspect the translation accuracy of our modern Bibles. “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: And there was light” (Genesis 1:1-3). The Hebrew word hâyâh translated to the first "was" in Genesis 1:2, can just as easily mean "became." Verse one is a general statement that depicts the creation: A perfect and complete work at the very time it was done. God would not create an uneven, disorderly world.

In verse two, we could say that, somehow, the earth "became" without form and void. Translated from the Hebrew, are the words for "without form" (tôhûw) and "void" (bôhûw). In their original tongue, both these words basically mean the same thing: Empty or desolate. Enter the "gap theory," which states: There could have been multiple thousands of years between the time "in the beginning," when God did the creating in Genesis 1:1; and Genesis 1:2, when the earth was (or became) empty and desolate. In essence then, the creation depicted in Genesis chapter 1, after verse 1, constitutes a re-creation. This is also called the “old earth” doctrine.

I believe in the gap theory, as it aligns with the true picture given us in other places in scripture. Satan had already fallen by the time he got to the Garden of Eden (see Ezekiel 28:12-16).

Also consider the following:

“And it shall come to pass in the day that the Lord shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve, that thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, how hath the oppressor ceased! The golden city ceased! The Lord hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers. He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth. The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: They break forth into singing. Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.

Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: It stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations. All they shall speak and say unto thee, art thou also become weak as we? Art thou become like unto us? Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: The worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; that made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house. But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet. Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: The seed of evildoers shall never be renowned” (Isaiah 14:3-20).

This Lucifer, turned evil, can be none other than Satan. God was, and still is, casting Satan out of His government. The earth became desolate through gross mismanagement. God had obviously given Satan charge over all the earth, but the devil's rebellious ways brought about a major catastrophe that made an absolute mess of the planet.

God then re-created the world and removed Satan from his rulership and placed man in his stead. “And God blessed them [mankind], and God said unto them, be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: And have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth” (Genesis 1:28).

The devil still rules the world system, but he now does it in an indirect way——by influencing man. God had given us the history of the world, as recorded in Genesis, only from the time that man entered into the picture. What had taken place on the earth, before this time, is not fully revealed nor relevant to what God is doing with mankind. Once resurrected and immortal we will help God rule all the planets. He has a vast universe to manage. There are no limits on tomorrow.

I believe in both the Gap theory, and the big bang theory; ie the big bang causing the Gap. God created all things by His Word from nothing, seen or unseen. That the creation is a living creature, which yearns for the son's of God in Christ Jesus that it might be loosed into their liberty.

 

[KDW4Him]

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The Hebrew word for "day" in that verse is yowm (yome) which is the very
same word for each of the six Days of God's creation labors. Since yowm in
Gen 2:4 refers to a period of time obviously much longer than a 24-hour
calendar day; it justifies suggesting that each of the six Days of creation
were longer than 24 hours apiece too. In other words: yowm is ambiguous
and not all that easy to interpret sometimes.

Jos 6:3 You shall march around the city, all the men of war going around the city once. Thus shall you do for six days.

Jos 6:14 And the second day they marched around the city once, and returned into the camp. So they did for six days.

Jos 6:15 On the seventh day they rose early, at the dawn of day, and marched around the city in the same manner seven times. It was only on that day that they marched around the city seven times.

The same Hebrew word is used here for day (yome) so why doesn't this mean a period of time obviously much longer than a 24-hour
calendar day?

When yome is used with a number each time in the OT it means a 24-hour calendar day.

 

[JaumeJ]

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● Gen 1:5b . . And there was evening and there was morning, a first Day.

When you think about it; a strict chronology of evening and morning doesn't
define day, it defines overnight; viz: darkness. In order to obtain a full 24
hour day, you'd have to define creation's first Day as a day and a night
rather than an evening and a morning.

Well; thus far Genesis defines Day as a time of light rather than a 24-hour
amalgam of light and dark; plus there was no Sun to cause physical
evenings and mornings till creation's fourth Day so we have to come at this
issue from another angle apart from physical properties.

According to Gen 1:24-31, God created humans and all terra critters on the
sixth Day; which has to include dinosaurs because on no other Day did God
create beasts but the sixth.

However; the sciences of geology and paleontology, in combination with
radiometric dating, strongly suggest that dinosaurs preceded humans by
several million years. So then, in my estimation, the Days of creation should
be taken to represent epochs rather than 24-hour events. That's not an
unreasonable estimation; for example:

● Gen 2:4 . .These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when
they were created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven.

The Hebrew word for "day" in that verse is yowm (yome) which is the very
same word for each of the six Days of God's creation labors. Since yowm in
Gen 2:4 refers to a period of time obviously much longer than a 24-hour
calendar day; it justifies suggesting that each of the six Days of creation
were longer than 24 hours apiece too. In other words: yowm is ambiguous
and not all that easy to interpret sometimes.

Anyway; this "day" thing has been a stone in the shoe for just about
everybody who takes Genesis seriously. It's typically assumed that the Days
of creation consisted of twenty-four hours apiece; so Bible students end up
stumped when trying to figure out how to cope with the 4.5 billion-year age
of the earth, and factor in the various eras, e.g. Triassic, Jurassic, Mesozoic,
Cenozoic, Cretaceous, etc, plus the ice ages and the mass extinction events.

NOTE: Galileo believed that science and religion are allies rather than
enemies-- two different languages telling the same story. He believed that
science and religion compliment each other-- science answers questions that
religion doesn't bother to answer, and religion answers questions that
science cannot answer.

For example: theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking understood pretty well
how the universe works; but could never scientifically explain why it should
exist at all. Well the only possible answer to the "why" is found in intelligent
design; which is a religious explanation rather than scientific.
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I believe you should look further into researching the word, yom, (yod vav mem soffit), for the length of a day and night so vary seasonally but they still total one day, yom.

 

[p_rehbein]

Yes, yes they did. They were out in the far regions of the universe circling around in their space ships just waiting on God to get through with all His creating stuff so they could land, and take over the earth.

Dem mean old nasty dinos were everywhere out there! As many as the stars themselves!

 

[Dino246]

Yes, yes they did. They were out in the far regions of the universe circling around in their space ships just waiting on God to get through with all His creating stuff so they could land, and take over the earth.

Dem mean old nasty dinos were everywhere out there! As many as the stars themselves!

You got something against dinos?

 

[GraceAndTruth]

In Job there are verses about behemoth

Job 40:15-24 New International Version (NIV)

15 “Look at Behemoth,
which I made along with you
and which feeds on grass like an ox.
16 What strength it has in its loins,
what power in the muscles of its belly!
17 Its tail sways like a cedar;
the sinews of its thighs are close-knit.
18 Its bones are tubes of bronze,
its limbs like rods of iron.
19 It ranks first among the works of God,
yet its Maker can approach it with his sword.
20 The hills bring it their produce,
and all the wild animals play nearby.
21 Under the lotus plants it lies,
hidden among the reeds in the marsh.
22 The lotuses conceal it in their shadow;
the poplars by the stream surround it.
23 A raging river does not alarm it;
it is secure, though the Jordan should surge against its mouth.
24 Can anyone capture it by the eyes,
or trap it and pierce its nose?

hmmmm ....... a dinosaurer?