What Are Your Thoughts About Interactions Between Genders & Age Differences?

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seoulsearch

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Hey Everyone,

How do you feel about male/female interactions and the age difference between them?

This is something I think about more and more as I become older myself and observe interactions between the genders both in real life and online.

As I've talked about regularly here on CC, due to whatever reasons (and it can't be denied that sometimes it's due to racial stereotypes), older (meaning, anywhere from 10-50 years older) men have always tried to approach me as a potential date, starting when I was about 15 and had a job in which I regularly worked with the public. I have NEVER been interest in finding a "father figure" in a significant other, so this always makes me uncomfortable.

I have also found a problem (and this could just be me) with some older men being a bit bold--as in, it starts by talking to me, and if I'm pleasant in return ("How's your day going?"), the next thing I know, a man in his late 60's man is greeting me by walking up behind me and putting both hands around my waist or running his hand down my ponytail. (I've had this happen more than once and with more than one older man.) Personally, I don't like this at all and will do all I can to keep enough space between them and myself so that they can't touch me. Talking to me (in an appropriate manner) is fine, but please, keep your OWN personal space. And this is NOT because I'm a cold or non-touchy person. I just have my own set of boundaries, and one of them is that I only like hugs (NOT grabbing me in any way or touching my hair) from people I know very well and feel comfortable with.

Now, let's talk about the flip side. When I was in my early 30's, I didn't think much about it because I've always worked with a wide variety of ages. But now that I'm in my 40's, I am much more sensitive to the possibility of invading the personal space of gentlemen who are much younger than me. People often think I'm around 29 years old, so I've often been in situations where, let's say, a 24-year-old guy thinks I'm only a few years older than he is (I always try to let them know my age if possible.)

Sometimes they will see me as a big sister, telling me about their lives or the girl they like. Every now and then, a younger guy will give me a hug. Depending on how well I know him, I might be just fine with that, but I always wonder, am I crossing a line? I never want to seem like I'm rejecting his friendship but I'm always thinking, "Should I somehow say no? How can I back away and not offend him? Is it wrong if he initiates the hug and I accept, or should I avoid any touching at all because of the age difference?" In my head I'm always thinking, what would HIS MOTHER think if she saw me hugging him, even though I didn't initiate the hug? Would she slap me?" Please note that in this case, I AM NOT seeing the guy as somehow stepping over the line, but rather, I'm worried that HE MIGHT SEE ME as stepping over the line, just as I am uncomfortable with older men touching me.

I KNOW THIS WILL SOUND HYPOCRITICAL and it's just my own personal feeling. I have one father whom I adore and if he hugs me, great. I'm just not comfortable with the thought of other men his age or older thinking they can touch me. But because I have younger brothers who had friends who were also my friends and peers, I don't feel as uncomfortable around younger guys. . It's just a personal thing.

I've also had times where guys in their 20's occasionally asked me out, but I am always very up front about my age and I try my best to never give them any reason I am somehow misleading them. But it doesn't bother me as much because if my brother's friend asked me out, no big deal. If my Dad's friend asked me out, I would silently be freaked out. But that's just me. I realize there are other opinions out there, so that's why I'm asking.

I joined the CC community when I was 35 years old. Back then, I thought nothing of PM'ing a guy in his late 20's (let's say around 28) to tell him I liked his post or insight, etc. But now I feel a lot more cautious because I don't want to be the older person who is bypassing boundaries or imposing upon a younger male member. I've been known to write PM's to both men and women, telling them that I appreciated specific posts and why. But now when I want to compliment a younger male (let's say younger than 35), I either use the reputation system and sign my name or I post it in a thread and make it public.

* Do you feel boundaries must be made after certain age differences? What should they be? 10 years? 20?

* How cautious do we all need to be before we run the risk of crossing the line into things like Political Ridiculousness?

* Should things like private messages between vast age differences across genders be allowed, or should communication be kept public after a certain point?

* What should the lines be, and where should we draw them?
 

CatHerder

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Mar 20, 2013
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Hey Everyone,

How do you feel about male/female interactions and the age difference between them?

This is something I think about more and more as I become older myself and observe interactions between the genders both in real life and online.

As I've talked about regularly here on CC, due to whatever reasons (and it can't be denied that sometimes it's due to racial stereotypes), older (meaning, anywhere from 10-50 years older) men have always tried to approach me as a potential date, starting when I was about 15 and had a job in which I regularly worked with the public. I have NEVER been interest in finding a "father figure" in a significant other, so this always makes me uncomfortable.

You may be on to something with the cultural thing. Older men, especially those who may have been a part of the military subculture, may have a certain view of young (or young-looking, which you are :D Asian women). Just keep setting them straight.

I have also found a problem (and this could just be me) with some older men being a bit bold--as in, it starts by talking to me, and if I'm pleasant in return ("How's your day going?"), the next thing I know, a man in his late 60's man is greeting me by walking up behind me and putting both hands around my waist or running his hand down my ponytail. (I've had this happen more than once and with more than one older man.) Personally, I don't like this at all and will do all I can to keep enough space between them and myself so that they can't touch me. Talking to me (in an appropriate manner) is fine, but please, keep your OWN personal space. And this is NOT because I'm a cold or non-touchy person. I just have my own set of boundaries, and one of them is that I only like hugs (NOT grabbing me in any way or touching my hair) from people I know very well and feel comfortable with.

I am perplexed by this. I don't see how exchanging pleasantries can escalate to icky-touchy-touchy stuff so quickly. This has nothing to do with liking to be hugged or not. I am a huggy person, but there is a mutual invitation that is somehow expressed via body language. Sometimes the body language says that a hug is welcome, sometimes one is not. You mention hugs, but what you describe goes beyond hugs into an icky fondling.

Now, let's talk about the flip side. When I was in my early 30's, I didn't think much about it because I've always worked with a wide variety of ages. But now that I'm in my 40's, I am much more sensitive to the possibility of invading the personal space of gentlemen who are much younger than me. People often think I'm around 29 years old, so I've often been in situations where, let's say, a 24-year-old guy thinks I'm only a few years older than he is (I always try to let them know my age if possible.)

Sometimes they will see me as a big sister, telling me about their lives or the girl they like. Every now and then, a younger guy will give me a hug. Depending on how well I know him, I might be just fine with that, but I always wonder, am I crossing a line? I never want to seem like I'm rejecting his friendship but I'm always thinking, "Should I somehow say no? How can I back away and not offend him? Is it wrong if he initiates the hug and I accept, or should I avoid any touching at all because of the age difference?" In my head I'm always thinking, what would HIS MOTHER think if she saw me hugging him, even though I didn't initiate the hug? Would she slap me?" Please note that in this case, I AM NOT seeing the guy as somehow stepping over the line, but rather, I'm worried that HE MIGHT SEE ME as stepping over the line, just as I am uncomfortable with older men touching me.

From what you described, you are very upfront in dealing with the younger guys, showing compassion and sensitivity to the situation.

I KNOW THIS WILL SOUND HYPOCRITICAL and it's just my own personal feeling. I have one father whom I adore and if he hugs me, great. I'm just not comfortable with the thought of other men his age or older thinking they can touch me. But because I have younger brothers who had friends who were also my friends and peers, I don't feel as uncomfortable around younger guys. . It's just a personal thing.

Not hypocritical at all. He is family. Different rules. Different boundaries, yadda yadda yadda.

I've also had times where guys in their 20's occasionally asked me out, but I am always very up front about my age and I try my best to never give them any reason I am somehow misleading them. But it doesn't bother me as much because if my brother's friend asked me out, no big deal. If my Dad's friend asked me out, I would silently be freaked out. But that's just me. I realize there are other opinions out there, so that's why I'm asking.

I joined the CC community when I was 35 years old. Back then, I thought nothing of PM'ing a guy in his late 20's (let's say around 28) to tell him I liked his post or insight, etc. But now I feel a lot more cautious because I don't want to be the older person who is bypassing boundaries or imposing upon a younger male member. I've been known to write PM's to both men and women, telling them that I appreciated specific posts and why. But now when I want to compliment a younger male (let's say younger than 35), I either use the reputation system and sign my name or I post it in a thread and make it public.

* Do you feel boundaries must be made after certain age differences? What should they be? 10 years? 20?

Every relationship has boundaries. As the relationship changes, the boundaries may move as well. Is there a set "rule" that these boundaries be in place with someone of the opposite sex who is 10 years my junior or senior? I think we kind of feel each relationship out as we go.

* How cautious do we all need to be before we run the risk of crossing the line into things like Political Ridiculousness?

Our society is already ridiculous. If you are feeling that you are walking on eggshells, you are not bringing forward your best game, whether the relationship is a business one, a Platonic friendship, a casual acquaintance, or a romantic one.

* Should things like private messages between vast age differences across genders be allowed, or should communication be kept public after a certain point?

I see nothing wrong with responding to a post privately as you have described. If the person misinterprets things as you being flirtatious, then you can set the record straight (unless you intended to be flirtatious! :p)

* What should the lines be, and where should we draw them?
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seoulsearch

OutWrite Trouble
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Since Catherder is right here... :)

As many of you know, a small group of CC'ers were able to meet a few months ago. We had some diversity in age, but we all got along extremely well (my favorite part was playing board games, because it brought out everyone's TRUE personalities.)

Despite the mix of gender and age, I felt comfortable with (and hugged) everyone in attendance... because we all had a certain level of trust and comfort. (*gasp* I would even hug all of them again! Several times over! Someone stop the madness!)

And fortunately, no one tried to touch my hair.

(Maybe THAT'S it... No one touches the hair... :p Seriously, anyone who's met me will soon realize I don't care very much about my hair. :)) But I DO care about being approached too closely by someone I don't have that level of trust with.
 
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MissCris

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With precious few exceptions (and my standards will probably be different just because I'm a married person hanging out with single people and I've learned the hard way that I have to prevent any blurring of boundaries...on both sides...) I try to keep private messages with any member of the opposite sex to strictly informational. But again, I'm in the position where ANY confusion on the boundaries is unacceptable, and unfortunately (excuse me a moment while I hide my face in shame) it hasn't always been the other person getting...confused.

Anyway!! The topic here...yeah. I guess I don't personally see the big deal about two Single people having a fairly large age gap. My stepdad is 11 years older than my mom. I have a friend from my high school class who married and has a baby with a woman 14 years older than he is. I suppose upwards of that would maybe seem kind of...odd. I don't know. I keep trying to stray from the subject.

I don't think that moving boundaries around just based on someone's age makes a lot of sense. the line should be the same for everyone you're not romantically interested in or friends with. Or...well, that doesn't sound right either. You know what? I'll come back to this when I can make sense.
 

CatHerder

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**yanks kim's ponytail**









**runs away**
 

seoulsearch

OutWrite Trouble
May 23, 2009
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**yanks kim's ponytail**









**runs away**

Excuse me everyone.

You might want to step away from your screens for a minute, because this might be a little too graphic for Christian Chat.

*Goes after Catherder...*

*BAAAMMMM!!!!!* (and other words of loud retribution we shall not print on a family forum)

(Fortunately, I don't have problems with age differences when having to set someone straight! :p)
 

violakat

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Got the popcorn to watch the fight. Stilly, Lil, Once, you care for some?
Excuse me everyone.

You might want to step away from your screens for a minute, because this might be a little too graphic for Christian Chat.

*Goes after Catherder...*

*BAAAMMMM!!!!!* (and other words of loud retribution we shall not print on a family forum)

(Fortunately, I don't have problems with age differences when having to set someone straight! :p)
 

seoulsearch

OutWrite Trouble
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Got the popcorn to watch the fight. Stilly, Lil, Once, you care for some?
I'm sorry, Miss Viola...

But this is now an age-restricted area.

And I'm going to have to see some ID.
 

Jenizona

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* Do you feel boundaries must be made after certain age differences? What should they be? 10 years? 20?
Answer: Nope!

* How cautious do we all need to be before we run the risk of crossing the line into things like Political Ridiculousness?
Answer: Don't be cautious... be friendly :) If you cross the line, apologize for it later, but most of the time, if you are just being friendly, this won't be a problem!

* Should things like private messages between vast age differences across genders be allowed, or should communication be kept public after a certain point?
Answer: Should be allowed!

* What should the lines be, and where should we draw them?

Hey, Seoulsearch! I totally dig your posts, by the way. The only lines that need to be drawn (from the ones that you mentioned) are the physical ones, such as hugging. A two-second-or-less hug is acceptable, as long as it is an "A-frame" hug. I am definitely a hugger! However, longer than two seconds, or something more "cuddly" than an "A-frame," and you're just asking for trouble. And at the very least, it gets awkward lol. :cool:
 

CatHerder

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Hey, Seoulsearch! I totally dig your posts, by the way. The only lines that need to be drawn (from the ones that you mentioned) are the physical ones, such as hugging. A two-second-or-less hug is acceptable, as long as it is an "A-frame" hug. I am definitely a hugger! However, longer than two seconds, or something more "cuddly" than an "A-frame," and you're just asking for trouble. And at the very least, it gets awkward lol. :cool:

What is an "A frame" hug? Is that those safe, side-hugs that Christians of the opposite sex do during that horrible "meet and greet" part of the church service?
 

seoulsearch

OutWrite Trouble
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I think Lil is old enough to come see this fight.
Only with older-parental-figure supervision.

(Sorry Lil, but it's for your own good! :p)

After all, hair-pullers deserve no mercy!
 

seoulsearch

OutWrite Trouble
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What is an "A frame" hug? Is that those safe, side-hugs that Christians of the opposite sex do during that horrible "meet and greet" part of the church service?
Quick, we need Grace-Like-Rain here to draw (or paint) us an official diagram...
 

violakat

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I'm a lot similar to your view points in the hugging and hair touching department. I really don't care for hugs from people unless they are like immediate family, or really old people (like maybe as old as Methuselah.) And as for touching my hair that person better be prepared to have their hands chopped off as it can mess up my curls like you would not believe. I really hate frizzy hair. (Little Bits, though, I am much more tolerant, as they are just naturally curious.)
 

Jenizona

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What is an "A frame" hug? Is that those safe, side-hugs that Christians of the opposite sex do during that horrible "meet and greet" part of the church service?
Exactly. Except I would totally shake hands at this point. And an "A-Frame" hug is also done from the front, just... not torso-all-the-way-up-against-torso! Like, have some space in there, people! This is an example of how NOT to hug (unless, you know, you're totally into each other).



How not to hug. Thank you. You're welcome. :cool:
 
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I have also found a problem (and this could just be me) with some older men being a bit bold--as in, it starts by talking to me, and if I'm pleasant in return ("How's your day going?"), the next thing I know, a man in his late 60's man is greeting me by walking up behind me and putting both hands around my waist or running his hand down my ponytail.
I was thoroughly enjoying your OP until I read the above sentence, then I became junk yard, mad dog angry. It blows my mind that anyone would ever do such a thing to a complete stranger. If I ever witness that kind of garbage, I promise I'll call 911 while doing CPR on the guy. :mad:
 

seoulsearch

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I was thoroughly enjoying your OP until I read the above sentence, then I became junk yard, mad dog angry. It blows my mind that anyone would ever do such a thing to a complete stranger. If I ever witness that kind of garbage, I promise I'll call 911 while doing CPR on the guy. :mad:
Thank you for saying this, Utah, because now as I get older it makes me very upset to see this happen to other young women as well. As I said, I've always worked with a wide age range of people. There is so much more I could write about. I've worked in retail stores almost all my life--I've had many young women tell me about older male customers who claim to have a business, etc. and say they are looking for a secretary, asking for the young women's numbers.
They will then these young women to meet them somewhere for an "interview"... which of course, is completely frightening, along with the horrifying texts they receive with completely inappropriate propositions. People are probably going to gasp at that but I can tell you it goes on in every store (at least, the ones I've worked at) and employees are pretty much at a loss of how to defend themselves against such customers. We are just expected to take it. But, this is a subject for another time.

I know someone is bound to accuse me of making it sound like all older men are somehow villainous but that's just not true.

I've had several older male co-workers I completely respect and admire, but it's because they respect me back. I'm thinking of one right now in his 50's, and he works so hard (which I greatly admire) that he could put many of the younger people to shame (including me, because he's quicker and more strategic in his planning.)
 

Lynx

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As usual, I have an xkcd cartoon for this topic. :rolleyes:



The full graph analysis is of course much more complicated, but the guy couldn't stay to discuss it because he had a date. :cool: