What if God had written IN STONE?
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I'm sure you're aware of this, but for any who aren't:
The existence of an offense does not necessitate the sin of offending. Jesus offended the Pharisees, but He didn't sin.
God alone is the Judge as to when offending someone is sinful. I suspect that in most cases, the sin is not in the offending itself, but in something related that is inherently sinful.
The existence of an offense does not necessitate the sin of offending. Jesus offended the Pharisees, but He didn't sin.
God alone is the Judge as to when offending someone is sinful. I suspect that in most cases, the sin is not in the offending itself, but in something related that is inherently sinful.
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What you do is promote adherence to the ten commandments, which is not consistent with new covenant Christianity. What you seem to fail to understand is that those who are led by the indwelling Holy Spirit don't need to strive to obey; we live by the Spirit and therefore do not contravene the commandments. As Paul wrote in Romans, "Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law" so we who have the Spirit do by the Spirit's nature what is required by the law.
Instead of worrying over obeying the commandments, start living by the Spirit of God.
Instead of worrying over obeying the commandments, start living by the Spirit of God.
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I'm sure you're aware of this, but for any who aren't:
The existence of an offense does not necessitate the sin of offending. Jesus offended the Pharisees, but He didn't sin.
God alone is the Judge as to when offending someone is sinful. I suspect that in most cases, the sin is not in the offending itself, but in something related that is inherently sinful.
The existence of an offense does not necessitate the sin of offending. Jesus offended the Pharisees, but He didn't sin.
God alone is the Judge as to when offending someone is sinful. I suspect that in most cases, the sin is not in the offending itself, but in something related that is inherently sinful.
Blessings.
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if no one but God is good, how much hope do i have of achieving salvation by keeping the commandments?
so what's He really saying, here?
is it really 'keep the commandments for salvation'?
so what's He really saying, here?
is it really 'keep the commandments for salvation'?
Yes, I claim the sacrifice of Christ. He was offered as the perfect sacrifice so that I can be forgiven.
About the Law being taught to Gentiles...
Act 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
Act 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.
Notice He was teaching Gentiles on the Sabbath? He didn't say "Oh you don't have to wait a week, come back tomorrow on Sunday." He was teaching the Sabbath by word and deed. Also, just what word of God was Paul teaching? The N.T. hadn't been written yet.
Act 16:12 and from there to Philippi, which is the foremost city of that part of Macedonia, a colony. And we were staying in that city for some days.
Act 16:13 And on the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met there.
Again, on the Sabbath, not Sunday or just any day but the Sabbath.
Act 17:2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
Act 17:3 explaining and demonstrating that the Christ had to suffer and rise again from the dead, and saying, "This Jesus whom I preach to you is the Christ."
What scriptures? The Old Testament. The New Testament was not canonized until around AD95 by John. Again, as Paul's custom was, he kept and taught on the Sabbath.
Yes, I claim the sacrifice of Christ. He was offered as the perfect sacrifice so that I can be forgiven.
About the Law being taught to Gentiles...
Act 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
Act 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.
Notice He was teaching Gentiles on the Sabbath? He didn't say "Oh you don't have to wait a week, come back tomorrow on Sunday." He was teaching the Sabbath by word and deed. Also, just what word of God was Paul teaching? The N.T. hadn't been written yet.
Act 16:12 and from there to Philippi, which is the foremost city of that part of Macedonia, a colony. And we were staying in that city for some days.
Act 16:13 And on the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met there.
Again, on the Sabbath, not Sunday or just any day but the Sabbath.
Act 17:2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
Act 17:3 explaining and demonstrating that the Christ had to suffer and rise again from the dead, and saying, "This Jesus whom I preach to you is the Christ."
What scriptures? The Old Testament. The New Testament was not canonized until around AD95 by John. Again, as Paul's custom was, he kept and taught on the Sabbath.
Yes, I claim the sacrifice of Christ. He was offered as the perfect sacrifice so that I can be forgiven.
About the Law being taught to Gentiles...
Act 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
Act 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.
Notice He was teaching Gentiles on the Sabbath? He didn't say "Oh you don't have to wait a week, come back tomorrow on Sunday." He was teaching the Sabbath by word and deed. Also, just what word of God was Paul teaching? The N.T. hadn't been written yet.
Act 16:12 and from there to Philippi, which is the foremost city of that part of Macedonia, a colony. And we were staying in that city for some days.
Act 16:13 And on the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met there.
Again, on the Sabbath, not Sunday or just any day but the Sabbath.
Act 17:2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
Act 17:3 explaining and demonstrating that the Christ had to suffer and rise again from the dead, and saying, "This Jesus whom I preach to you is the Christ."
What scriptures? The Old Testament. The New Testament was not canonized until around AD95 by John. Again, as Paul's custom was, he kept and taught on the Sabbath.
Did Paul teach Gentiles to keep the Law?
Rom_3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.
About the Law being taught to Gentiles...
Act 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
Act 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.
Notice He was teaching Gentiles on the Sabbath? He didn't say "Oh you don't have to wait a week, come back tomorrow on Sunday." He was teaching the Sabbath by word and deed. Also, just what word of God was Paul teaching? The N.T. hadn't been written yet.
Act 16:12 and from there to Philippi, which is the foremost city of that part of Macedonia, a colony. And we were staying in that city for some days.
Act 16:13 And on the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met there.
Again, on the Sabbath, not Sunday or just any day but the Sabbath.
Act 17:2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
Act 17:3 explaining and demonstrating that the Christ had to suffer and rise again from the dead, and saying, "This Jesus whom I preach to you is the Christ."
What scriptures? The Old Testament. The New Testament was not canonized until around AD95 by John. Again, as Paul's custom was, he kept and taught on the Sabbath.
Yes, I claim the sacrifice of Christ. He was offered as the perfect sacrifice so that I can be forgiven.
About the Law being taught to Gentiles...
Act 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
Act 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.
Notice He was teaching Gentiles on the Sabbath? He didn't say "Oh you don't have to wait a week, come back tomorrow on Sunday." He was teaching the Sabbath by word and deed. Also, just what word of God was Paul teaching? The N.T. hadn't been written yet.
Act 16:12 and from there to Philippi, which is the foremost city of that part of Macedonia, a colony. And we were staying in that city for some days.
Act 16:13 And on the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met there.
Again, on the Sabbath, not Sunday or just any day but the Sabbath.
Act 17:2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
Act 17:3 explaining and demonstrating that the Christ had to suffer and rise again from the dead, and saying, "This Jesus whom I preach to you is the Christ."
What scriptures? The Old Testament. The New Testament was not canonized until around AD95 by John. Again, as Paul's custom was, he kept and taught on the Sabbath.
Yes, I claim the sacrifice of Christ. He was offered as the perfect sacrifice so that I can be forgiven.
About the Law being taught to Gentiles...
Act 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
Act 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.
Notice He was teaching Gentiles on the Sabbath? He didn't say "Oh you don't have to wait a week, come back tomorrow on Sunday." He was teaching the Sabbath by word and deed. Also, just what word of God was Paul teaching? The N.T. hadn't been written yet.
Act 16:12 and from there to Philippi, which is the foremost city of that part of Macedonia, a colony. And we were staying in that city for some days.
Act 16:13 And on the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met there.
Again, on the Sabbath, not Sunday or just any day but the Sabbath.
Act 17:2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
Act 17:3 explaining and demonstrating that the Christ had to suffer and rise again from the dead, and saying, "This Jesus whom I preach to you is the Christ."
What scriptures? The Old Testament. The New Testament was not canonized until around AD95 by John. Again, as Paul's custom was, he kept and taught on the Sabbath.
Did Paul teach Gentiles to keep the Law?
Rom_3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.
Romans 3:19-22
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe.
If we could obey God's commandments, Jesus suffered and died for nothing. You are entirely wrong. The Law was given through Moses; grace and truth through Jesus Christ. If the law is sufficient, there is no need for grace and truth. You should try reading the New Testament. You might learn something. I'd start with Galatians and then read Hebrews.
My next question is why only 10 commandments? There are 613 in all. Some are no longer applicable and some apply either to men or women or specific groups of people. However, the Law is the Law and must be obeyed or else. Will you go to the temple and sacrifice a lamb for your sin? Oh, you can't. There is no temple. Tough luck, you are condemned because you have failed to meet the requirements God's Law.
My next question is why only 10 commandments? There are 613 in all. Some are no longer applicable and some apply either to men or women or specific groups of people. However, the Law is the Law and must be obeyed or else. Will you go to the temple and sacrifice a lamb for your sin? Oh, you can't. There is no temple. Tough luck, you are condemned because you have failed to meet the requirements God's Law.
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I think this is what you are looking for.
24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. 26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus."
Galatians 3
The purpose of the law in regards to salvation from hell is the following.
A...We don't keep it and we deserve death in hell. Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death."
B. The object of your faith in keeping the law is futile. Hypothetically, IF you were able to keep it 100% from this day forward, you already blew it. You broke it far more than once. Your turning from those sins you can actually remember along with all the tears you can muster don't pay for sins.
I used to think that God had scales in heaven to weigh out good work against our sins. That was a misunderstanding that I had to reconsider and reject. "There is none righteousness, no not one." Romans 3
C. You must change your decision of trusting in your good works of trying to keep the 10 commandments and instead make Jesus Christ the Object of your faith. Trust that He gave His life suffering what you deserve, died, and three days later took back His life and arose from the tomb. Don't add works to what He did all by Himself or you will keep your punishment. If you want God's forgiveness, that gift must be received His way apart from keeping the law.
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
I hope THIS LINK is a blessing to you
please pray with them at the end.
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24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. 26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus."
Galatians 3
The purpose of the law in regards to salvation from hell is the following.
A...We don't keep it and we deserve death in hell. Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death."
B. The object of your faith in keeping the law is futile. Hypothetically, IF you were able to keep it 100% from this day forward, you already blew it. You broke it far more than once. Your turning from those sins you can actually remember along with all the tears you can muster don't pay for sins.
I used to think that God had scales in heaven to weigh out good work against our sins. That was a misunderstanding that I had to reconsider and reject. "There is none righteousness, no not one." Romans 3
C. You must change your decision of trusting in your good works of trying to keep the 10 commandments and instead make Jesus Christ the Object of your faith. Trust that He gave His life suffering what you deserve, died, and three days later took back His life and arose from the tomb. Don't add works to what He did all by Himself or you will keep your punishment. If you want God's forgiveness, that gift must be received His way apart from keeping the law.
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
I hope THIS LINK is a blessing to you
please pray with them at the end.
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What is wrong with doing our best to follow the Ten? What is wrong with each of them?
I know I am yet not perfect, for God will complete that condition in me, but the ten Commandments are wonderful and good guidelines for all who live in grace to attempt to follow to the letter, for they are nor without mercy and love.
So, please address these augmenting questions.
I know I am yet not perfect, for God will complete that condition in me, but the ten Commandments are wonderful and good guidelines for all who live in grace to attempt to follow to the letter, for they are nor without mercy and love.
So, please address these augmenting questions.
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Rom 7:3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
So we being dead to the law frees us from the law as many scriptures affirm. The old law is dead, we are then in response dead to that law and free to re-marry a new husband and law...the law of Christ of the new covenant being no longer bound to the old dead law.
Clarke:
Romans 7:4
Wherefore, my brethren - This is a parallel case. You were once under the law of Moses, and were bound by its injunctions; but now ye are become dead to that law - a modest, inoffensive mode of speech, for, The law, which was once your husband, is dead; God has determined that it shall be no longer in force; so that now, as a woman whose husband is dead is freed from the law of that husband, or from her conjugal vow, and may legally be married to another, so God, who gave the law under which ye have hitherto lived, designed that it should be in force only till the advent of the Messiah; that advent has taken place, the law has consequently ceased, and now ye are called to take on you the yoke of the Gospel, and lay down the yoke of the law; and it is the design of God that you should do so.
Gill:
are become dead to the law, and that to them, as in Rom_7:6, and can have no more power over them than a law can have over dead persons, or a dead abrogated law can have over living ones. They are represented as "dead to sin", and "dead with Christ", Rom_6:2; and here, "dead to the law", as in Gal_2:19, and consequently cannot be under it; are out of the reach of its power and government, since that only has dominion over a man as long as be lives the law is dead to them; it has no power over them, to threaten and terrify them into obedience to it; nor even rigorously to exact it, or command it in a compulsory way
Matthew Henry:
I. Our first marriage was to the law, which, according to the law of marriage, was to continue only during the life of the law. The law of marriage is binding till the death of one of the parties, no matter which, and no longer. The death of either discharges both.
Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
So we being dead to the law frees us from the law as many scriptures affirm. The old law is dead, we are then in response dead to that law and free to re-marry a new husband and law...the law of Christ of the new covenant being no longer bound to the old dead law.
Clarke:
Romans 7:4
Wherefore, my brethren - This is a parallel case. You were once under the law of Moses, and were bound by its injunctions; but now ye are become dead to that law - a modest, inoffensive mode of speech, for, The law, which was once your husband, is dead; God has determined that it shall be no longer in force; so that now, as a woman whose husband is dead is freed from the law of that husband, or from her conjugal vow, and may legally be married to another, so God, who gave the law under which ye have hitherto lived, designed that it should be in force only till the advent of the Messiah; that advent has taken place, the law has consequently ceased, and now ye are called to take on you the yoke of the Gospel, and lay down the yoke of the law; and it is the design of God that you should do so.
Gill:
are become dead to the law, and that to them, as in Rom_7:6, and can have no more power over them than a law can have over dead persons, or a dead abrogated law can have over living ones. They are represented as "dead to sin", and "dead with Christ", Rom_6:2; and here, "dead to the law", as in Gal_2:19, and consequently cannot be under it; are out of the reach of its power and government, since that only has dominion over a man as long as be lives the law is dead to them; it has no power over them, to threaten and terrify them into obedience to it; nor even rigorously to exact it, or command it in a compulsory way
Matthew Henry:
I. Our first marriage was to the law, which, according to the law of marriage, was to continue only during the life of the law. The law of marriage is binding till the death of one of the parties, no matter which, and no longer. The death of either discharges both.
Well, you said Jesus didn't teach that loving God and your neighbor fulfilled the Law. I posted Scripture proving He did.
You didn't bother addressing that Scripture. Instead, you moved on to a passage you completely got wrong.
So first, address the Scripture I posted that refutes your false claim, then I will show you your error in the passage you cite.
You didn't bother addressing that Scripture. Instead, you moved on to a passage you completely got wrong.
So first, address the Scripture I posted that refutes your false claim, then I will show you your error in the passage you cite.
Doing our best misses God's best. We were never to live independently of God. We are only complete in God. Adam and Eve walked with God each day even before sin entered. How much more do we need to walk with God.
But more than this, God has offered a way for us to live without sinning. As we walk in the Spirit, we live, but not us, Christ lives in us. And as He is able to live in perfect obedience, He lives perfectly obediently in us.
What God has secured for us in Christ is incredible. Unfortunately, too few Christians take advantage of it.
But more than this, God has offered a way for us to live without sinning. As we walk in the Spirit, we live, but not us, Christ lives in us. And as He is able to live in perfect obedience, He lives perfectly obediently in us.
What God has secured for us in Christ is incredible. Unfortunately, too few Christians take advantage of it.
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