What is the seal of God?

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It's very important that God's people be sealed prior to the destruction of the earth. What is the seal and as it stands in direct contrast to the mark of the beast, what is the mark?

[Rev 7:3-4 KJV] 3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. 4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: [and there were] sealed an hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

They are referenced again in Revelation 14, and through eternity will live in the presence of God the father and Jesus:
[Rev 14:1-4 KJV] 1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty [and] four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

The Mark of the beast is the other side of the spiritual war we are presently enduring:

[Rev 13:11-18 KJV] 11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. 12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by [the means of] those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. 16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number [is] Six hundred threescore [and] six.

Those who receive the mark are lost forever:

[Rev 14:9-12 KJV] 9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive [his] mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
 

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What Magenta said... and this:

2 Corinthians 1:21-22 21 Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

Ephesians 4:30 do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
 

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Yes, God loves us all y'all start from scratch and say thank you to Father for Son's done work for us all to be reconciled first, then new life from belief sets in and Father, the Holy Spirit leads us and carries this on to see
So stand in continued beleif to Daddy, please?
Philippians 1:6
being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
Philippians 1:10
that ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ;
Philippians 2:16
holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.

Father, I need you flowing through my Veins and not be in vain, thank you
 

ewq1938

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A seal protects something, like it protected the message in a scroll. In modern thinking, a seal would be like a lock, keeping people from the inner contents.

Sealing people before the trib starts would most likely protect them from being deceived. This ensures that some people remain loyal to God, and can potentially proclaim the truth rather than lies the beast will spread.
 

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It's very important that God's people be sealed prior to the destruction of the earth. What is the seal and as it stands in direct contrast to the mark of the beast, what is the mark?

[Rev 7:3-4 KJV] 3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. 4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: [and there were] sealed an hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

They are referenced again in Revelation 14, and through eternity will live in the presence of God the father and Jesus:
[Rev 14:1-4 KJV] 1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty [and] four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

The Mark of the beast is the other side of the spiritual war we are presently enduring:

[Rev 13:11-18 KJV] 11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. 12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by [the means of] those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. 16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number [is] Six hundred threescore [and] six.

Those who receive the mark are lost forever:

[Rev 14:9-12 KJV] 9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive [his] mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
If it is very important, then Jesus and Paul would have stressed it.
Thus, the seal must be the HS.
 

ewq1938

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If it is very important, then Jesus and Paul would have stressed it.
Thus, the seal must be the HS.

They are already the servants of God before the sealing so they would have had the HS before the sealing. The sealing is something else, something unique and related to the tribulation.
 

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how about this of the seal of God: Ephesians 1:13: "in whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that have ye believed, ye were SEALED WITH THAT HOLY SPIRIT OF PROMISE". the sealing of the H.S. guarantees the benefits of our salvation. so the H.S., as the seal to the believer is a guarantee of His commitment, to some day, give all things promised. believers are sealed unto the day of redemption.
 

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They are already the servants of God before the sealing so they would have had the HS before the sealing. The sealing is something else, something unique and related to the tribulation.
You did not explain why they did not stress it if it is very important.
Not only that, but you contradict EPH 1:13.
 

homwardbound

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A seal protects something, like it protected the message in a scroll. In modern thinking, a seal would be like a lock, keeping people from the inner contents.

Sealing people before the trib starts would most likely protect them from being deceived. This ensures that some people remain loyal to God, and can potentially proclaim the truth rather than lies the beast will spread.
God seals, no one can break God's seal. When God seals, God seals
Then no weapon formed against anyone will prosper
Isaiah 54:17
No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and their righteousness is of me, saith the Lord.
Jesus willingly went to that cross and suffering occurred. Jesus even told Pilate that Pilate has/had no power over him, none!
So, he went willing and it is revealed he is risen where new life in Daddy's Spirit and Truth is given, at least for me to understand, no matter what, I trust Father, Daddy, PaPa in risen Son Jesus for me to overcome also. And have, even though it might not appear as so, it is so.
On the very day, anyone believes God between God and them, God seals them to see
They are accepted, forgiven and sealed to see it as in Phil 1:6 tells me so
Read it Eph 1:1-13 especially versus 6,7,13
Accepted, forgiven and sealed to see the whole truth God sincerely loves us all y'all
Believe, receive and see, since no matter what you will not quit belief to God no matter what troubles happen to you either, thank you
 
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It's very important that God's people be sealed prior to the destruction of the earth. What is the seal and as it stands in direct contrast to the mark of the beast, what is the mark?

[Rev 7:3-4 KJV] 3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. 4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: [and there were] sealed an hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

They are referenced again in Revelation 14, and through eternity will live in the presence of God the father and Jesus:
[Rev 14:1-4 KJV] 1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty [and] four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

The Mark of the beast is the other side of the spiritual war we are presently enduring:

[Rev 13:11-18 KJV] 11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. 12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by [the means of] those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. 16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number [is] Six hundred threescore [and] six.

Those who receive the mark are lost forever:

[Rev 14:9-12 KJV] 9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive [his] mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
God's law is His seal

Isa 8:16 Bind up the testimony, Seal the law among my disciples.

And specifically the 4th commandment which contains all the elements of a seal

Exo 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Name: Lord
Title: Creator
Territory: heaven and earth

Its what we are called back to...to worship the God of Creation

Rev 14: 7 saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come (Ecc 12:13-14); and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.”

Keeping the Sabbath is a sign between God and man

Eze 20:20 hallow My Sabbaths, and they will be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the Lord your God.’

That He is the God who sanctifies us

’ Eze 20:12 Moreover I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them.

Man can't sanctify themselves, we need God Isa 66:17
 
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God's law is His seal

Isa 8:16 Bind up the testimony, Seal the law among my disciples.

And specifically the 4th commandment which contains all the elements of a seal

Exo 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Name: Lord
Title: Creator
Territory: heaven and earth

Its what we are called back to...to worship the God of Creation

Rev 14: 7 saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come (Ecc 12:13-14); and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.”

Keeping the Sabbath is a sign between God and man

Eze 20:20 hallow My Sabbaths, and they will be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the Lord your God.’

That He is the God who sanctifies us

’ Eze 20:12 Moreover I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them.

Man can't sanctify themselves, we need God Isa 66:17

Living Bible

Hebrews 4:9-13

9 So there is a full complete rest still waiting for the people of God. 10 Christ has already entered there. He is resting from his work, just as God did after the creation. 11 Let us do our best to go into that place of rest, too, being careful not to disobey God as the children of Israel did, thus failing to get in.
12 For whatever God says to us is full of living power: it is sharper than the sharpest dagger, cutting swift and deep into our innermost thoughts and desires with all their parts, exposing us for what we really are. 13 He knows about everyone, everywhere. Everything about us is bare and wide open to the all-seeing eyes of our living God; nothing can be hidden from him to whom we must explain all that we have done.

Not by any of my own works or anyone else's either by God's done work of Son for me and all others as well, is what I see now in rest given me to rest, learning still daily
 
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Living Bible

Hebrews 4:9-13

9 So there is a full complete rest still waiting for the people of God. 10 Christ has already entered there. He is resting from his work, just as God did after the creation. 11 Let us do our best to go into that place of rest, too, being careful not to disobey God as the children of Israel did, thus failing to get in.
12 For whatever God says to us is full of living power: it is sharper than the sharpest dagger, cutting swift and deep into our innermost thoughts and desires with all their parts, exposing us for what we really are. 13 He knows about everyone, everywhere. Everything about us is bare and wide open to the all-seeing eyes of our living God; nothing can be hidden from him to whom we must explain all that we have done.

Not by any of my own works or anyone else's either by God's done work of Son for me and all others as well, is what I see now in rest given me to rest, learning still daily

I would consider a literal translation instead of a paraphrase bible, many changes the meaning of what is written in God's holy Word. We should all be seeking for God's Truth.

For example

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

The rest in this verse literally translates into Sabbath-keeping which remains for God's people

Original Word: σαββατισμός
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: sabbatismos
Pronunciation: sab-bat-is-mos'
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
Definition: Sabbath rest
Meaning: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest
 
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I would consider a literal translation instead of a paraphrase bible, many changes the meaning of what is written in God's holy Word. We should all be seeking for God's Truth.

For example

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

The rest in this verse literally translates into Sabbath-keeping which remains for God's people

Original Word: σαββατισμός
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: sabbatismos
Pronunciation: sab-bat-is-mos'
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
Definition: Sabbath rest
Meaning: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest
okay, however anyone believes and reads scripture, I see to take it all to my Father, the Father of risen Son to hear truth over errors of this world we are in and not of anymore, born new by Father of risen Son for us all.
I see to rest, everyday, whistle while working or not, Loving all as God does love us all and is not a Dictator as many might suppose is. God loves us all, yes you too, reading this here today
God is our friend, wants what is best for us all, that is the call I see as best for me and everyone else too, thank you
And by this truth I am freed to love all freely, even those that do not yet believe God yet
I see I can only truthfully love by God loving me first thank you
 
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okay, however anyone believes and reads scripture, I see to take it all to my Father, the Father of risen Son to hear truth over errors of this world we are in and not of anymore, born new by Father of risen Son for us all.
I see to rest, everyday, whistle while working or not, Loving all as God does love us all and is not a Dictator as many might suppose is. God loves us all, yes you too, reading this here today
God is our friend, wants what is best for us all, that is the call I see as best for me and everyone else too, thank you
And by this truth I am freed to love all freely, even those that do not yet believe God yet
I see I can only truthfully love by God loving me first thank you
Yes, God is a God of love, but do you think God asking us if we love Him to keep His commandments translates into Him being a dictator? or does He ask, because He also loves us and knows what is best for us?
 
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Beware of Judaizers, who contradict Paul's teaching that circumcision is of the heart (TOP #24: The only circumcision that is salvific is that which is inward or of the heart and done by the Spirit per RM 2:25-29, COL 2:11-12)

and the Sabbath rest signifies faith in the Gospel (HB 4:1-11),

which sets us free from laws (TOP #134: Continue to be free of the law by having faith in Christ so that you will not be “alienated” and become “fallen away from grace”, GL 5:1-5; TOP #135: The only thing that matters with regard to satisfying GRFS is having faith that is expressed through love, GL 5:6&14, and those who pervert this truth, thereby leavening the Gospel with heresy, deserve their penalty, GL 5:7-12)

and myths (TOP #227: Christians must not teach false doctrines about myths, genealogies and the law, 1TM 1:3-7, 4:7, 6:3-5, 2TM 4:4 & TIT 1:14, because such doctrines promote controversy rather than faith in the Gospel and love; TOP #204: Observing the Sabbath or other laws not reaffirmed in the NT is optional, COL 2:16-17 & 21-23, because such laws are not part of the eternal moral code and observing them is not the way to obtain salvation and the HS.)
 
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To try to connect the weekly Sabbath to Col 2:14-17 is essentially saying God was against man from Creation because that's when the weekly Sabbath started thus saith the Lord. Exo 20:11 Gen 2:1-3 This essentially is an attack on the character of God. Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man Mat 2:27, the Hebrew word of man here means Adam, the Greek, mankind. Man was made before the first Sabbath that God kept, man was made in God’s image and likeness Gen 1:26. The Sabbath points us back to the God of Creation Exo 20:11 God’s Sabbath was meant to bless Isa 56:2 and sanctify Eze 20:12 and a sign between God and man Eze 20:20 and His sanctification Eze 20:12 and is the holy day of the Lord thy God, thus saith the Lord Isa 58:13 so this sad teaching goes against every thus saith the Lord in the bible. No wonder why we have this warning that people really ought to take more serious 2 Peter 3:15-16. We do not keep God's Sabbath or any of the commandments to be saved, it is a consequence of our salvation that we love Jesus so much we want to obey Him and His commandments.
 
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Yes, God is a God of love, but do you think God asking us if we love Him to keep His commandments translates into Him being a dictator? or does He ask, because He also loves us and knows what is best for us?
I never said from my view, that God is a Dictator, religion does that without knowing it, not being new in Father's Spirit and Truth of Love for all to all. be dead willingly too, thank you, to see new in the risen Son in Daddy's Spirit and Truth
Jesus, as was put on that cross, said "Father forgive them" they know not what they do.Think that still goes on presently. Was Saul before, he became Paul as a Pharisee was he wrong? Not to him until God showed him he is risen in Son for him to be saved and walk new and give up Law. As he says this in Phil 3 he gave up Law , why???????????????????????????????????
He saw the Love of God manifested to him through risen Son for him. Got taught new, did not go to the other Apostles for 14 years that be in Galatians
We are to rest 24/7 even while at work here on earth, to me at least, everyday its a Sabbath rest to me 24/7 God did what needed to get done once for us all to get given new life in God's Spirit and Truth, at least for me.
Am I perfect, no way, I need Father and Son to live in and through men daily, and one then does the done work of Son, that got done for all, done once for us all to respond to this love and mercy given us, then one, many and all in belief to God love all also, yes even those enemies!
I have my own need for God to lead, that keeps me out of the way of doing it myself, at least trying to do, what no flesh but Son's can and did for all on that cross. We the people are looking back to the cross, not forward to the Messiah promised, as was in the first Testament promised that has happened, past tense, and so we be new as born new from Father to us through risen Son for us to love all, yes All, now tell your enemies you love them, stop, cede from wars fighting. Learn from Daddy, Papa, Father the "Art of Fighting without fighting"
Jesus never fought back in flesh ever. Went to that cross willingly. Might be time to choose willingly to God and you personally you believe God too, thank you
 
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I never said from my view, that God is a Dictator, religion does that without knowing it, not being new in Father's Spirit and Truth of Love for all to all. be dead willingly too, thank you, to see new in the risen Son in Daddy's Spirit and Truth
Jesus, as was put on that cross, said "Father forgive them" they know not what they do.Think that still goes on presently. Was Saul before, he became Paul as a Pharisee was he wrong? Not to him until God showed him he is risen in Son for him to be saved and walk new and give up Law. As he says this in Phil 3 he gave up Law , why???????????????????????????????????
He saw the Love of God manifested to him through risen Son for him. Got taught new, did not go to the other Apostles for 14 years that be in Galatians
We are to rest 24/7 even while at work here on earth, to me at least, everyday its a Sabbath rest to me 24/7 God did what needed to get done once for us all to get given new life in God's Spirit and Truth, at least for me.
Am I perfect, no way, I need Father and Son to live in and through men daily, and one then does the done work of Son, that got done for all, done once for us all to respond to this love and mercy given us, then one, many and all in belief to God love all also, yes even those enemies!
I have my own need for God to lead, that keeps me out of the way of doing it myself, at least trying to do, what no flesh but Son's can and did for all on that cross. We the people are looking back to the cross, not forward to the Messiah promised, as was in the first Testament promised that has happened, past tense, and so we be new as born new from Father to us through risen Son for us to love all, yes All, now tell your enemies you love them, stop, cede from wars fighting. Learn from Daddy, Papa, Father the "Art of Fighting without fighting"
Jesus never fought back in flesh ever. Went to that cross willingly. Might be time to choose willingly to God and you personally you believe God too, thank you
Do you think Paul taught in contradiction to what Jesus taught? Did Jesus ever teach lawlessness? You might prayerful consider reading and studying these scriptures Mat 7:23 1 John 2:4 John 14:15-18 1 John 5:3 John 15:10 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 Mat 19:17-19 Mat 5:17-30 Rev 14:12 Rev 12:17 Rev 22:14 Rom 7:7 James 2:10-12 Rom 2:21-23 1 Cor 7:19 because Paul never taught lawlessness and either did Jesus. Paul did teach that being circumcised from the law of Moses was not a means to salvation Acts 15:1 Gal 2:3 and this is the law he referred to many times, not if we can now worship other gods, vain God's holy name, break His holy Sabbath, covet, murder or break the least of the commandments, the opposite of what Jesus taught and lived.

According to scripture our salvation depends on a lot on how we reconcile Paul’s writings 2 Peter 3:15-16 so if we are interpreting them as contradicting Jesus in how He lived and taught, I would be careful.
 
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I never said from my view, that God is a Dictator, religion does that without knowing it, not being new in Father's Spirit and Truth of Love for all to all. be dead willingly too, thank you, to see new in the risen Son in Daddy's Spirit and Truth
Jesus, as was put on that cross, said "Father forgive them" they know not what they do.Think that still goes on presently. Was Saul before, he became Paul as a Pharisee was he wrong? Not to him until God showed him he is risen in Son for him to be saved and walk new and give up Law. As he says this in Phil 3 he gave up Law , why???????????????????????????????????
He saw the Love of God manifested to him through risen Son for him. Got taught new, did not go to the other Apostles for 14 years that be in Galatians
We are to rest 24/7 even while at work here on earth, to me at least, everyday its a Sabbath rest to me 24/7 God did what needed to get done once for us all to get given new life in God's Spirit and Truth, at least for me.
Am I perfect, no way, I need Father and Son to live in and through men daily, and one then does the done work of Son, that got done for all, done once for us all to respond to this love and mercy given us, then one, many and all in belief to God love all also, yes even those enemies!
I have my own need for God to lead, that keeps me out of the way of doing it myself, at least trying to do, what no flesh but Son's can and did for all on that cross. We the people are looking back to the cross, not forward to the Messiah promised, as was in the first Testament promised that has happened, past tense, and so we be new as born new from Father to us through risen Son for us to love all, yes All, now tell your enemies you love them, stop, cede from wars fighting. Learn from Daddy, Papa, Father the "Art of Fighting without fighting"
Jesus never fought back in flesh ever. Went to that cross willingly. Might be time to choose willingly to God and you personally you believe God too, thank you
You might want to read the Sabbath commandment the way God said Exo 20:8-11. No one can keep every day holy because God knows we have to work to sustain our lives, He gave us six days to do all thy work and labors Exo 20:9 and only asked for one day back, the seventh day. Exo 20:10 to keep holy Exo 20:8. We can think we know better than He how to keep His commandment, but many of the Israelites thought so too Eze 20:13 Eze 20:21 and it didn’t work out so well for them. We are told not to follow their same path of disobedience. Heb 4:11. It’s best in my opinion to trust God the way He said, and allow God to be God and trust what He asks of us is because He knows its for our own good. Psa 19:7

Obeying God the way God asks shows loyalty and love. We can easily talk ourselves out of reasons why not to obey God, but best to find ways to obey Him just the way He said. :)