WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( " LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL" )

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Re: WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( " LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL

Starcrash said:
The details are found in the book of Enoch. Despite being apocrypha, I haven't met anyone who rejects it outright as containing heresy, and many things that Christians commonly believe are found in it. After all, did you really think that "[Enoch] was taken away" was enough to support a lack of death? The only reason Christians believe it is because it's found in this book.
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enoch's book is not approved to be used.
Do the jews use it?
i would like to get corrected..if am wrong there.

How did enoch write it and send it to mankind from where god took him?
Why Lucifer's(from His Heavenly Glorious position) fall to satan is not mentioned in it?
 
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Ezekial and Isaiah's famous prophecies are about humans, not Satan. These prophecies all ready are fulfilled why people worry? Lol a prophecy doesn't deal with the past it dealeth with the future from when the prophet uttered the prophecy. This prophecies came to pass after Ezekiel and Isaiah spoke them. Good proofs indeed these two are true prophets worthy of reading indeed.

As far as what taxonomy the enemy is its pretty clear he's a dragon. He is an animal. Look at every time the serpent's appearance is described indeed. Always dragon or serpent. Always animalistic personality traits too. It's quite simple brother. Satan is an animal, a subtle one at that that will be crushed.

Job is good proofs indeed the adversary is no angel. Why is there a clear distinction made between Satan and the angels if Satan is an angel or once was? Simple answer, he isn't an angel.

Now in Job satan says he is roaming the earth and patrolling it, but I am not so sure, for he can speak only lies. Way I see it Satan went up to challenge God I suppose, failed, and Job have a happy ending and made right with God and restored by God. Good read indeed!
 
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LT said:
as for the OP, there are so many Scriptures saying that Satan is our accuser, and we are given a narrative of one of his accusations in the book of Job.
If Satan once had access to the Throne of God to accuse the righteous(as seen in Job), and is still called 'the Accuser' throughout the New Testament, it can be assumed that Satan still has access to the Throne of God.

It can also be assumed that the description of Satan in Ezekiel 28 is a future event, as it describes Satan being destroyed in the fire, even though Satan has not yet been destroyed in the final Judgement, after the 1000 years of binding.
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nope you are wrong,satan has already fell...
the portion in Isaiah confirms it.

Ezekiel 28 partially speak of satan.Its about the judgement of a place mostly,possessed by satanic people.Think it already took place..(i think so,you can correct...)

Heaven has many dimensions like Heaven above Heavens and beyond it is God's resting place.
satan(prince of air) has access only to lower dimensions in Heaven because he screwed up his privileges and became 'fallen' and made many other angels also fall-the fallen angels.If they are not fallen,then it would be told so in Revelation only,not in OT or like Jesus told that He saw(not going to see) satan fall from 'Heaven' like lightning.
So what you say contradict.Even if satan could get much closer to the Throne of Most High,i guess he will burst out because from the Throne of Most High to Beyond is the Raw Unimaginable Power of God to which Jesus has only access(because He is the Son of God).What i said there is a Mystery.
 
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ji said:
nope you are wrong,satan has already fell...
the portion in Isaiah confirms it.

Ezekiel 28 partially speak of satan.Its about the judgement of a place mostly,possessed by satanic people.Think it already took place..(i think so,you can correct...)

Heaven has many dimensions like Heaven above Heavens and beyond it is God's resting place.
satan(prince of air) has access only to lower dimensions in Heaven because he screwed up his privileges and became 'fallen' and made many other angels also fall-the fallen angels.If they are not fallen,then it would be told so in Revelation only,not in OT or like Jesus told that He saw(not going to see) satan fall from 'Heaven' like lightning.
So what you say contradict.Even if satan could get much closer to the Throne of Most High,i guess he will burst out because from the Throne of Most High to Beyond is the Raw Unimaginable Power of God to which Jesus has only access(because He is the Son of God).What i said there is a Mystery.
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but if Satan can't access God's Throne, then how can he accuse the brethren?

I think too many preachers have taken the wrong parts of Scripture literally, and neglect the clearer portions.
 
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GodIsSalvation said:
Ezekial and Isaiah's famous prophecies are about humans, not Satan. These prophecies all ready are fulfilled why people worry? Lol a prophecy doesn't deal with the past it dealeth with the future from when the prophet uttered the prophecy. This prophecies came to pass after Ezekiel and Isaiah spoke them. Good proofs indeed these two are true prophets worthy of reading indeed.

As far as what taxonomy the enemy is its pretty clear he's a dragon. He is an animal. Look at every time the serpent's appearance is described indeed. Always dragon or serpent. Always animalistic personality traits too. It's quite simple brother. Satan is an animal, a subtle one at that that will be crushed.

Job is good proofs indeed the adversary is no angel. Why is there a clear distinction made between Satan and the angels if Satan is an angel or once was? Simple answer, he isn't an angel.

Now in Job satan says he is roaming the earth and patrolling it, but I am not so sure, for he can speak only lies. Way I see it Satan went up to challenge God I suppose, failed, and Job have a happy ending and made right with God and restored by God. Good read indeed!
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yes,satan the old dragon...the serpent... you said it right.

Sometime back,one Pastor(as it is said in his biography after his death,because he didn't let anyone write it during his life time because he said he didn't want to get any publicity) during his Prayer time asked Jesus to show him satan.
Jesus warned him(pastor) in a tender way that he will get frightened.But Pastor was stubborn.And Jesus agreed finally.
Pastor had only a glance of the vile thing and he lost his consciousness.
What he(Pastor) saw was a giant ugly being with its mouth tore open and flying around with huge chains attached to its body.

So yea...,based on Holy Scripture also he is something like an animal in form,a cursed being.
 
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LT said:
but if Satan can't access God's Throne, then how can he accuse the brethren?

I think too many preachers have taken the wrong parts of Scripture literally, and neglect the clearer portions.
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satan never accessed God's throne..lol..
he tried to access and he fell..That's how Holy Scripture says it.
Show me the verse where its says he had access to The Throne of Most high.
he was in the presence of it from where he could sense it,its different..

you must read Holy Scripture carefully.And don't just give verdict without realizing what you are saying..:)
 
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GodIsSalvation said:
Ezekial and Isaiah's famous prophecies are about humans, not Satan. These prophecies all ready are fulfilled why people worry? Lol a prophecy doesn't deal with the past it dealeth with the future from when the prophet uttered the prophecy. This prophecies came to pass after Ezekiel and Isaiah spoke them. Good proofs indeed these two are true prophets worthy of reading indeed.

As far as what taxonomy the enemy is its pretty clear he's a dragon. He is an animal. Look at every time the serpent's appearance is described indeed. Always dragon or serpent. Always animalistic personality traits too. It's quite simple brother. Satan is an animal, a subtle one at that that will be crushed.

Job is good proofs indeed the adversary is no angel. Why is there a clear distinction made between Satan and the angels if Satan is an angel or once was? Simple answer, he isn't an angel.

Now in Job satan says he is roaming the earth and patrolling it, but I am not so sure, for he can speak only lies. Way I see it Satan went up to challenge God I suppose, failed, and Job have a happy ending and made right with God and restored by God. Good read indeed!
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i liked your comment except for the part that satan was once Lucifer,the Mighty Angel before God's Presence.Now he is not anymore,because he fell from his position..
And yeah,now he is definitely an animal in every way...
 
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so, satan is an actual dragon who can look like an angel of light... but is not an angel of darkness, because he's not an angel, because he's a dragon...

And he was never Lucifer? He was never a guardian cherub?

If that is the case, then some king in the middle east during Ezekiel's time was actually around before the Garden of Eden and used to be a guardian cherub.

Spirit-led study and critical reading show that both Isaiah and Ezekiel were also prophesying about satan while prophesying about mortal kings. There is a duality within their prophecies, with dual fulfillment:

-one was physical, and the fulfillment was short-term and has already been fulfilled

-the other is spiritual, and the fulfillment is still future
 
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Revelation 12:10 shows that Satan (if not currently, then in the past) was before the Lord and accusing the brethren before he was(or will be) cast down.

This should make interpreting the other passages very clear.
 
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LT said:
so, satan is an actual dragon who can look like an angel of light... but is not an angel of darkness, because he's not an angel, because he's a dragon...

And he was never Lucifer? He was never a guardian cherub?

If that is the case, then some king in the middle east during Ezekiel's time was actually around before the Garden of Eden and used to be a guardian cherub.

Spirit-led study and critical reading show that both Isaiah and Ezekiel were also prophesying about satan while prophesying about mortal kings. There is a duality within their prophecies, with dual fulfillment:

-one was physical, and the fulfillment was short-term and has already been fulfilled

-the other is spiritual, and the fulfillment is still future
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you have so many probs in the way you think.

To be in the Literal Presence of God requires Strength.
satan was Lucifer back then,a powerful Angel.
demons and evil spirits cannot go near God.
God is a Holy Being.

About places(including kings,armies,etc) and referring them as satan is because of their pagan/brutal practices so God sees satan in them(possessed people).
Don't hold on to 'what i think is only true' attitude.you can keep it that way as your personal view.no prob.who am i to question your personal views..
But if it must be confirmed as a fact,then you need to confirm it with Holy Scripture...
 
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LT said:
Revelation 12:10 shows that Satan (if not currently, then in the past) was before the Lord and accusing the brethren before he was(or will be) cast down.

This should make interpreting the other passages very clear.
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yes,he was an accuser definitely,...even when he was in the Presence of God.
he was an advocate to measure Holiness of people..

The only confusion we can all have is the time he fell(fell because he became proud and thought of ascending to the Throne of Most High,not because he was an accuser)..he already fell(it's past based on Holy Scripture,not that he is going got fall....Isaiah confirms it).Words of Jesus confirms it.
 
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In terms of when Satan fell I'd say Genesis 3 when he lied to man with his three lies to let death enter the world. Satan's game was also lost when God came to the garden. God saved Man and Woman, the serpent not even allowed to protest and is cursed. Look even in Revelations you are reassured. Satan lose the war thrown away forever with death because of Jesus goodness.
 
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GodIsSalvation said:
In terms of when Satan fell I'd say Genesis 3 when he lied to man with his three lies to let death enter the world. Satan's game was also lost when God came to the garden. God saved Man and Woman, the serpent not even allowed to protest and is cursed. Look even in Revelations you are reassured. Satan lose the war thrown away forever with death because of Jesus goodness.
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yes,i have to agree there somewhat..but i still don't know how much of it can be confirmed,since in Book of Job he is allowed to come in front of God.Pretty sure,that he had his fall sometime in OT times,yeah maybe the reference in Genesis you gave might also be the time or Could be...i still am confused in that part about the exact time...:)
 
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crossnote said:
Is that why he carried on a conversation with God and seemed to have free access in the book of Job?

Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.
(Job 1:6)

Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them to present himself before the LORD.
(Job 2:1)

So Satan went out from the presence of the LORD and struck Job with loathsome sores from the sole of his foot to the crown of his head.
(Job 2:7)
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How do we know this meeting was in heaven? It may not have been in heaven?
 
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Laodicea said:
How do we know this meeting was in heaven? It may not have been in heaven?
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because it doesn't say that God presented Himself to the sons of God, but that the sons of God presented themselves to God.

It is pretty clear that the angels gathered and presented themselves before God in heaven.
 
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It may have been somewhere else? God is able to move around
 
Re: WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( " LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL

Job 1:6 KJV
(6) Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Also this says he came among them meaning he was not in heaven.
 
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This is clearly why we are told to avoid foolish and vain questions that only gender strife.This stuff is so off base now its almost embarrasing to know this much error is being taught somewhere.
I am sad in my spirit that so many have this set of misinterperted thought patterns while trying to teach others. Please lean not to you own understanding. In all your getting get understanding.

Hear, ye children, the instruction of a father, and attend to know understanding.For I give you good doctrine, forsake ye not my law. For I was my father’s son, tender and only beloved in the sight of my mother. He taught me also, and said unto me, Let thine heart retain my words: keep my commandments, and live. Get wisdom, get understanding: forget it not; neither decline from the words of my mouth. Forsake her not, and she shall preserve thee: love her, and she shall keep thee. Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding (Proverbs 4:1-7
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2 Timothy 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them
Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
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Re: WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( " LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL

Give us Book,Chapter, and verse in which God grants Satan "access" for that short time. When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.
 
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GodIsSalvation said:
Ezekial and Isaiah's famous prophecies are about humans, not Satan. These prophecies all ready are fulfilled why people worry? Lol a prophecy doesn't deal with the past it dealeth with the future from when the prophet uttered the prophecy. This prophecies came to pass after Ezekiel and Isaiah spoke them. Good proofs indeed these two are true prophets worthy of reading indeed.

As far as what taxonomy the enemy is its pretty clear he's a dragon. He is an animal. Look at every time the serpent's appearance is described indeed. Always dragon or serpent. Always animalistic personality traits too. It's quite simple brother. Satan is an animal, a subtle one at that that will be crushed.

Job is good proofs indeed the adversary is no angel. Why is there a clear distinction made between Satan and the angels if Satan is an angel or once was? Simple answer, he isn't an angel.

Now in Job satan says he is roaming the earth and patrolling it, but I am not so sure, for he can speak only lies. Way I see it Satan went up to challenge God I suppose, failed, and Job have a happy ending and made right with God and restored by God. Good read indeed!
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I will ask you once again and in reference to EZE 28, how a human, could have instruments created in their own body.
 
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