when will the most evil doctrin in the world get banned on this site.

[peldom10]

What does sorry have to do with it? Those saved have been forgiven of all of their transgressions.

Who are those..."saved"?

 

[peldom10]

de-emerald said:
it's looking that way. But What I can't figure out why does once saved always also preach God needs to tempt you or test you , if your saved. {Quote}

We are only......born again on this earth in this life. We are not......saved.... until God judges us after this physical death.

 

[peldom10]

Yes, I get the point, do you? Yes, those given spiritual life were dead - dead spiritually, but through Christ given eternal spiritual life.
Spiritually, they will/can never again die. What do you think it means to be born-again? Certainly not in the physical realm because they are/were already physically alive, but instead, in the spiritual realm.

Wrong.

 

[rogerg]

Who are those..."saved"?

Those whose names were written into the book of life from the foundation of the world

 

[wintersrain]

Yes, they will continue to believe, and over time, that belief will increase .... but that is not what saves - it was Christ's faith(fulness) to the Father that brings about our salvation. His faith is reckoned to certain people, through which, is their faith manifested unto them

Upon becoming born-again, the believer is given a renewed mind. Having a renewed mind, they would never, ever, consider or desire to return to un-belief. Why? Because in their heart of hearts and soul of souls, they know the truth. After all, are you able no matter how hard you might try, to make yourself believe something that you just truly don't believe? When saved, our understanding changes, with the old one never to return. Now, in the Bible we are told that there are those who do fall away, but they are never of those who were saved/born again: it wasn't a spiritual change.

So, to get to the essence of it all -- in all ways Christ alone is the Saviour and we are not.

[Rom 12:2 KJV]
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

[Phl 2:12-13 KJV]
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of [his] good pleasure.

No problem regarding the timing of your response - do so whenever convenient for you. Have a safe trip.

Christ is/was the Father!

 

[wintersrain]

Wrong.

Care to elaborate?

 

[rogerg]

Christ is/was the Father!

Yes, good point and I do realize there is but one God and sorry if I wasn't clear enough about that... but I believe it was the God who made promise to Abraham that He would bring forth an everlasting kingdom - to include those whom He would justify so they could inhabit it. Yet it was God the Son, as the Christ, who was the vehicle by which that promise would be brough to fruition. So, to be honest, that's pretty much the extent of my knowledge, or of anything that I would even attempt to say regarding the particulars and distinctions of the Godhead.

I think that Christ Himself made distinction between Himself as the Christ and God the Father:

[1Jo 4:14 KJV] 14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son [to be] the Saviour of the world.

[Jhn 5:37 KJV] 37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

[Jhn 6:38 KJV] 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
[Jhn 6:39 KJV]
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

 

[rogerg]

We are only......born again on this earth in this life. We are not......saved.... until God judges us after this physical death.

No -it is an impossibility that to be born again means to be physically born again on this earth, since we already have physical life here.

what do you think this means?

[Rev 20:6 KJV] 6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

[Jhn 3:3, 6 KJV]
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. ...
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

 

[rogerg]

If yes, then what do you believe about freedom of choice for the Christian? Can the believer decide that he will no longer believe, or is he forced by God to remain a believer?

I should have included this in my prior reply to you: that spiritual rebirth is just that: the birth of the spirit. And the changes which accompany it are changes to (our) spirit by the Holy Spirit. As such, our understanding, belief, perceptions and "decisions", are not of the human intellect, but of newly acquired spiritual intellect. So, from that, human intellect no longer directs belief; instead, the spiritual directs belief. In coming to a knowledge of spiritual truth, those who have become saved/born again, would never give consideration to adopting the doctrines of unbelief. But I guess the answer to your question then would be that, yes, in a sense, if we are of His elect, you could say that we are made by God to believe, because left to ourselves and to our human nature, none would/could believe.

[Phl 2:13 KJV] 13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of [his] good pleasure.

[Mat 13:16 KJV] 16 But blessed [are] your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

As such, our understanding, belief, perceptions and "decisions", are
not of the human intellect, but of newly acquired spiritual intellect.

Would that not be the "same as the
Sound mind" that God Gives All believers?:

2Ti 1:7 "For God hath not given us the spirit of fear;
but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind."

GRACE And Peace...

 

[rogerg]

Would that not be the "same as the
Sound mind" that God Gives All believers?:

2Ti 1:7 "For God hath not given us the spirit of fear;
but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind."

Yes, I think so - good point. I think the receiving of a sound mind is itself a fruit of the Spirit just as
is the receiving of belief/faith.

 

[peldom10]

No -it is an impossibility that to be born again means to be physically born again on this earth, since we already have physical life here.

what do you think this means?

[Rev 20:6 KJV] 6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

[Jhn 3:3, 6 KJV]
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. ...
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

WOW..study the Bible. That is a elementary comment.
The Bible tells us that we must be ...born again...spiritually...not physically. How could that be physically? Where did you get that?
It wouldn't surprise me that it is in one of the new..... new age religion editions (I can't call them bibles).
I fear you would not understand the answer to your question...so I will refrain.

 

[peldom10]

Christ is/was the Father!

Is.

 

[Gardenias]

Ye do err in NOT knowing the scriptures!
2Peter 1:18-21
And this voice which came from heaven we heard,when we were with him in the Holy mount.
We have also a more sure word of prophesy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed,as unto a light that shines in a dark place,until the day dawn,and the day star arise in your hearts:
KNOWING THIS FIRST,THAT NO PROPHECY OF THE SCRIPTURES IS OF ANY PRIVATE INTERPERTATION.
For the prophecy came not in old time by THE WILL OF MAN: BUT HOLY MEN IF GOD SPAKE AS THEY WERE MOVED BY THE HOLY GHOST!!!!!!

 

[Chester]

Yes, they will continue to believe, and over time, that belief will increase .... but that is not what saves - it was Christ's faith(fulness) to the Father that brings about our salvation. His faith is reckoned to certain people, through which, is their faith manifested unto them

Upon becoming born-again, the believer is given a renewed mind. Having a renewed mind, they would never, ever, consider or desire to return to un-belief. Why? Because in their heart of hearts and soul of souls, they know the truth. After all, are you able no matter how hard you might try, to make yourself believe something that you just truly don't believe? When saved, our understanding changes, with the old one never to return. Now, in the Bible we are told that there are those who do fall away, but they are never of those who were saved/born again: it wasn't a spiritual change.

So, to get to the essence of it all -- in all ways Christ alone is the Saviour and we are not.

[Rom 12:2 KJV]
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

[Phl 2:12-13 KJV]
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of [his] good pleasure.

No problem regarding the timing of your response - do so whenever convenient for you. Have a safe trip.

OK, so I think it best for me to let you to your own theology, and I will stick to my Bible. God bless . . .

 

[Chester]

I should have included this in my prior reply to you: that spiritual rebirth is just that: the birth of the spirit. And the changes which accompany it are changes to (our) spirit by the Holy Spirit. As such, our understanding, belief, perceptions and "decisions", are not of the human intellect, but of newly acquired spiritual intellect. So, from that, human intellect no longer directs belief; instead, the spiritual directs belief. In coming to a knowledge of spiritual truth, those who have become saved/born again, would never give consideration to adopting the doctrines of unbelief. But I guess the answer to your question then would be that, yes, in a sense, if we are of His elect, you could say that we are made by God to believe, because left to ourselves and to our human nature, none would/could believe.

[Phl 2:13 KJV] 13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of [his] good pleasure.

[Mat 13:16 KJV] 16 But blessed [are] your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

OK, so I think it best for me to let you to your own theology, and I will stick to my Bible. God bless . . .

 

[Chester]

Even if they fall out of faith, those who are reborn in Christ, and for a time they are still saved.
Because God calls us to himself. As Jesus told us, we did not choose him, he chooses us. And being God is all knowing, and eternal, he would also see the rocky road ahead and those who lose faith in him.
God's seal is on the believer for eternity. He knew us before the womb. He won't abandon us when we think we've abandoned faith in him. There is nothing we can do or say that God has not foreseen. And yet, he loves us enough to call us to himself knowing all of who we are and shall become.

Jesus parable of the two sons is key there I think. https://www.biblejournal.net/2022/02/28/the-lost-son-vs-the-entitled-son/

I tend to be a simple person in that I just take Scripture as it says:

Hence: God loved the world and gave His only Son so that whoever believes in Him will have eternal life and will not perish.

 

[gb9]

I tend to be a simple person in that I just take Scripture as it says:

Hence: God loved the world and gave His only Son so that whoever believes in Him will have eternal life and will not perish.

we need a lot more simple understanding instead of trying to give certain verses more " weight and value" than others to prove something that most of the time does not exist.

 

[Dino246]

WOW..study the Bible. That is a elementary comment.

I find your elementary grammar ironic.

Where did you get that?
It wouldn't surprise me that it is in one of the new..... new age religion editions (I can't call them bibles).

Sure... just toss out some completely groundless codswollop to make yourself sound ridiculously arrogant. Nice one.

I fear you would not understand the answer to your question...so I will refrain.

Perhaps you haven't let Christ transform your character, so you engage in this elementary slander.

 

[Chester]

Christ is/was the Father!

Jesus is God, but Jesus is not the Father, nor was He the Father.
The Father is God, but the Father is not Jesus
The Holy Spirit is God, but He is not Jesus or the Father