when will the most evil doctrin in the world get banned on this site.

[de-emerald]

God does NOT send EVIL to his children and he is NOT slack concerning his promises to us.....so no God will not send Satan to us.

A true child of God who is prayed up and studies the word and trust God to keep his word WILL NEVER be fooled by Satan.



I am going to say THIS ONLY ONCE,HEED THIS WARNING or I'm done talking to you.
GET INTO GOD'S WORD,STUDY ABOUT HIM,HIS SON,AND THE HOLY GHOST.

YOU are the one glorifying the devil.
Unless YOU are challenged or a child,I will not respond anymore.

You won't like what the word has to say about people seeking about the devil

do you want to ask me something personal, or attack me personally. Because there seems to be a miss understanding here, have you not quoted or suggested that Satan can come against God's children with God's permission. And do you believe God can grant Satan permission to come against God's children, because one of your posts says Satan needs God's permission to come against God's children,.

Listen I don't want to be your enemy and please don't call me a Satan glorifier but you said in a previous post Satan needs God's permission to come against God's children, which means what ? He can get it ? Or do you mean something else. Listen you have no idea what is being suggested by other members here and they don't either. So please don't be so quick to become angry. OSAS has a false accuser syndrome like Satan because they act like God and falsely accuse like Satan who is the false accuser of God's children.

 

[Gardenias]

can I ask you, do think that God sent Satan to remind you to forgive ?.

do you believe God will send Satan or any type of demonic spirit to To a Christian if they sin ?

And may I ask do you believe a christian can be fooled into thinking that. And also do you know any scriptures where people and christians are fooled into believing Satan is God because I do in fact many we can study them together if you wish.

And lastly I have asked the lord and it shall be given , I have asked the lord to let you ride his donkey, so that you may become as stubborn as a muel in joining me in the biggest derailment of Satan ever on this forum , and so hold of your personal question for a few days.

These are what you have WROTE. I GAVE my answer but you DONT want to hear.

It most certainly personal to me when I see supposed believers ALWAYS talking about Satan instead of GOD.
There are people who come here seeking,wanting ANSWERS on how to find God.

ALL you do is this junk. That bizarre statement about a donkey ride.....come on how old are you.

If your a child or mentally challenged then I understand,but if NOT..............YOU can keep whinning about attacking you.............

If you come clean,then I'll be tender hearted.

 

[Gardenias]

do you want to ask me something personal, or attack me personally. Because there seems to be a miss understanding here, have you not quoted or suggested that Satan can come against God's children with God's permission. And do you believe God can grant Satan permission to come against God's children, because one of your posts says Satan needs God's permission to come against God's children,.

Listen I don't want to be your enemy and please don't call me a Satan glorifier but you said in a previous post Satan needs God's permission to come against God's children, which means what ? He can get it ? Or do you mean something else. Listen you have no idea what is being suggested by other members here and they don't either. So please don't be so quick to become angry. OSAS has a false accuser syndrome like Satan because they act like God and falsely accuse like Satan who is the false accuser of God's children.

Satan has NO POWER over the redeemed,we belong to God.
IF we resist and submit to God .....Satan runs.

we have a promise which I GAVE to you about believing God and HIS SON that the evil one cannot touch us.
God does NOT TEMPT man.

Satan has to get permission of God to touch what is ours or ourselves.....read Job.




PEROID

 

[de-emerald]

We have examples in scripture that show he can NOT come against a BELIEVER without God permission.children.

.There's are your words, which suggest Satan can receive God's permission to oppress or come against God's children.[/QUOTE]

 

[Gardenias]

.There's are your words, which suggest Satan can receive God's permission to oppress or come against God's children.

[/QUOTE]




Yes he does have to ask permission,read the book of Job I also gave you scripture.....do you read anybody's post or just want to be heard yourself and play victim

 

[de-emerald]

Yes he does have to ask permission,read the book of Job I also gave you scripture.....do you read anybody's post or just want to be heard yourself and play victim.

ok do just to be clear are you saying God can grant Satan permission to come against Christians if Satan asks for it first. Other wise he must not come near God's children and he never will without God's permission, ?

 

[Dino246]

 

[JTB]

A@a
no it is not, and I am not anti OSAS, if i may say, you could decide to denounce your faith in your last days as a human being here on planet earth, scripture even says as much, that believers can denounce there faith. This means any person can do the same to. Which truly ultimately means your eternal salvation is truly not decided until you run the race and drawn your last breath. May I also say what you see as anti OSAS on my part I actually see as blessing, because my interpretation of OSAS requires that you remember you need saving everyday and stops you from gaining to much confidence in behaving as if you where God, it also stops you from condemning people. and also this opens the door to being the child your father requires you to be worshiping the father the way he should be, loved in fact you are seeking his love.

OSAS in the believer which I witnessed many times on this forum gaining confidence in condemning people is an outright sin. My interpretation of osas stops that, where as we see yours does not because now you are resorting to saying I am anti o s a s which is a lie and a sin.

I never said that and I'm sorry you took it that way.

 

[JTB]

We need to understand that there are 2 dimensions (heaven and the world) and sin works differently in each:

On the aspect of salvation (heaven), forgiveness is a once-for-lifetime event, and the power of sin has no effect on it. God will keep you for as long as you stay, and regard you as pure no matter how dirty you get. In this aspect once saved your sin exists no more, even the ones you commit post-salvation.

But in the world, the power of sin is that if you submit your flesh to a spiritual authority thru sin, your flesh is submitted to that spiritual authority... until you confess and rebuke it. That is where daily repentance comes into play in the life of the believer.

So no, we do not have to confess our sins daily to maintain our salvation. But we do need to confess and repent daily to disentangle ourselves from the powers and principalities of the world.

Secondly, we need to understand how we are saved - and that is by faith and belief. Abraham believed and it was counted to him as righteousness. But the same passage explains that belief is not an act of works. Thus we are not saved by works.

But the opposite is also true - UNBELIEF is not an act of works. So one who does not believe is condemned - but not by their works.

So the whole OSAS question boils down to this: can someone who once believed fall back into unbelief?

The answer is yes - that one who has tasted glory can fall away from it by rebuking their belief.

Keeping in mind that belief and the lack thereof are not acts of works.

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Peter puts it this way: “Whatever overcomes a person, to that he is enslaved” (2 Peter 2:19).

Paul agrees: “Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness?” (Romans 6:16).

 

[posthuman]

So what does that tell us, it tells us that Peter is Saved, but his Faith could fail. If our Faith can fail, then OSAS is a False Doctrine!

only if Christ's prayers for us can be ineffective.
but look at John 17 - will He not do His will?

♥

 

[posthuman]

When we read about Lot, Noah, so many others, it came down to their choosing to obey and submit to God's Command.
Lot, had he looked back, he would be like his wife.

ha!

have you read the account?
Lot was contentious with the angels every step of the way!
it was not because of Lot's great choices but because of God's love for Abraham that He had mercy on Lot, Genesis 19:29

likewise with Israel - not that she had merit in herself or chose God, but that GOd had mercy and chose her, Deuteronomy 7:7-8
likewise with me: not because i deserved life, or because i made some clever decision, or was strong in works: but He showed me mercy and love while i fought with Him and rejected His paths. He changed me, and set my feet in His way, and gave me a new heart to cling to Him

((realizing this person i'm replying to was banned, tho not yet realizing why - it still ought to be said))

 

[posthuman]

If what you said is true, we are not able to lose Faith in God and turn from Him, then Jesus lied when He said to Peter I pray you don't lose Faith. Jesus own answer proves you are wrong! Peter was saved at that point when Jesus said that to him. Peter is saved but still can lose his faith.

the key takeaway is not that Peter is in danger of escaping the loving arms of his Saviour.
the thing to be grasped here is that Christ said "but I have prayed for you" -- that's a consolation.
it is not an indication that Peter is on shaky ground: it is an indication that Satan will not prevail against Peter

to be asked is this:
if God has prayed you will not lose faith, is it even remotely possible in the slightest that you will?

God will do all His will. if He wills you to endure, you will endure. there is no doubt - it is impossible that Peter should lose faith, because God has prayed that he will not

 

[Gardenias]

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[Gardenias]

ha!

have you read the account?
Lot was contentious with the angels every step of the way!
it was not because of Lot's great choices but because of God's love for Abraham that He had mercy on Lot, Genesis 19:29

likewise with Israel - not that she had merit in herself or chose God, but that GOd had mercy and chose her, Deuteronomy 7:7-8
likewise with me: not because i deserved life, or because i made some clever decision, or was strong in works: but He showed me mercy and love while i fought with Him and rejected His paths. He changed me, and set my feet in His way, and gave me a new heart to cling to Him

((realizing this person i'm replying to was banned, tho not yet realizing why - it still ought to be said))

AMEN,AMEN!

 

[posthuman]

I've already said it promotes a licsence to sin

yes you've said that over and over. i'm on page 7 now of you making that accusation, while i read through this thread.

that's kind of an important accusation for you to make, as it turns out:

And why not say, “Let us do evil that good may come”? — ​

as we are slanderously reported and as some affirm that we say!​

(Romans 3:8) ​

​

the gospel that Paul preached made people think he was promoting license to sin.

perhaps if the gospel you preach does not provoke the slanderous accusation that this gospel means a person can & maybe even should go and sin all they want, then you are not actually preaching an accurate gospel.


we know that the gospel described in Romans is accurate.
the gospel in Romans makes people accuse Christians of promoting a license to sin.
Paul was accused of preaching that Christians should do whatever they please without consequence.

now, what is it about the true gospel that makes people react this way?
what is it about the true salvation that makes a person say wait, you are preaching that we can go on sinning??
that's a question i hope you will meditate on

 

[Phoneman-777]

Eternal security is straight down the line biblical doctrine. Calling OSAS bad doctrine to be possibly banned is basically attacking the diety of Christ imo.

I am not a fan of banning anything - "sunlight is the best disinfectant", right or wrong?

1 John 5:3 KJV says God's "agape" is demonstrated by those who lovingly keep His commandments. The wicked can't demonstrate "agape" because Romans 8:7 KJV says they can't keep His commandments even if they wanted to.

Now, Jesus said in Matthew 24:12-13 KJV, "the love ("agape") of "many" shall was cold, but he that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved". Who are these "many" who allow abounding iniquity to kill their "agape" cold and dead, leaving them unable to endure to the end, and lost? Saints! They can't be the wicked, because the wicked can never partake of "agape".

Lest we think these saints are still in good shape, what temperature are the Laodiceans? Lukewarm. If lukewarm is enough to get them spat out of Jesus' mouth, how much more spit-worthy are these "cold" saints?

 

[RichMan]

60 years ago I gave my soul to Jesus for His keeping.
I have eternal life because He is the one that keeps my soul in His hand that no man can take out.
It really amazes me that some of you believe you can keep yourself saved by your own doing.

 

[Phoneman-777]

60 years ago I gave my soul to Jesus for His keeping.
I have eternal life because He is the one that keeps my soul in His hand that no man can take out.
It really amazes me that some of you believe you can keep yourself saved by your own doing.

Why are the hands of God always depicted as wide open in extended invitation?

I can't picture Him squeezing them shut on anyone who would otherwise decide to "fall away", "draw back", "become entangled therein again", choose instead "to pay all that was due him" like the forgiven servant......to jump from the open hand of God and return to enjoying "the pleasures of sin for a season".

 

[RichMan]

Why are the hands of God always depicted as wide open in extended invitation?

I can't picture Him squeezing them shut on anyone who would otherwise decide to "fall away", "draw back", "become entangled therein again", choose instead "to pay all that was due him" like the forgiven servant......to jump from the open hand of God and return to enjoying "the pleasures of sin for a season".

So you are keeping yourself saved by your works.
I suppose we will see how God sees your effort someday.

 

[Phoneman-777]

So you are keeping yourself saved by your works.
I suppose we will see how God sees your effort someday.

Does the branch "work" to receive life giving nourishment, or does it just "abide" in the vine?

Humans branches, however, have the capacity to disconnect themselves, roll down the street, and attach themselves to Satan's Hollywood tree, and is why Jesus commands us to "abide" in Him.

I hope the OSAS crowd doesn't find out too late that God and Satan don't share joint custody of the kids.