Is this election going to bring in the civil unrest / war then the worldwide economic collapse and America is going to be internally fighting among ourselves to the point we can’t help anyone? Is the RAPTURE going to remove so many from America that it is left decimated? But even then where do our weapons go?
Where is America in Bible Prophecy?
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Ten is always ten. The 10 kings are the same as the ten horns.
They are the ten commandments.
They have no kingdom as of yet, but have received authority with the beast as "horns", the thing which one creature uses to control other creatures.
The new "king", the "little horn" is
"You shall fear for your salvation"
People think they must buy or sell their soul when they have the mark of the false image of YHWH.
It's in people's minds and in their works.
The 3 that it replaces are the first 3 commandments. The new horn encourages us to
1. Be scared of YHWH, instead of love Him with everything.
2. Make our own image of Him and worship it instead.
3. Exalt ourselves in vanity, by calling Him a corrupt god that loves "me", but not the others.
The head that is killed and brought back to life is the false image of Y'Shua.
10 camels kneel beside the well of water, like it or not.
The camels are the commandments, the well is Y'Shua.
10 is always 10.
Any other conclusion is from confusion. Babylon.
"And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand."
They are the ten commandments.
They have no kingdom as of yet, but have received authority with the beast as "horns", the thing which one creature uses to control other creatures.
The new "king", the "little horn" is
"You shall fear for your salvation"
People think they must buy or sell their soul when they have the mark of the false image of YHWH.
It's in people's minds and in their works.
The 3 that it replaces are the first 3 commandments. The new horn encourages us to
1. Be scared of YHWH, instead of love Him with everything.
2. Make our own image of Him and worship it instead.
3. Exalt ourselves in vanity, by calling Him a corrupt god that loves "me", but not the others.
The head that is killed and brought back to life is the false image of Y'Shua.
10 camels kneel beside the well of water, like it or not.
The camels are the commandments, the well is Y'Shua.
10 is always 10.
Any other conclusion is from confusion. Babylon.
"And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand."
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moment-of-faith, i do not see anything says we are involved. we could have succumbed to pacifism or be so entangled with our own politics that what happens in the middle east at that moment is of no concern or fractured by regional politics, much the way the old Soviet Union has been or we might not be pro Jerusalem at the time or we might not want to back Israel against our trading partners.
as far as weapons are concerned, if you have a weapon but refuse to use it or lack the ability to use it, it is not a weapon at all. the days of shared mutual destruction are long gone, thanks to SALT. our politicians have seen to our inability. when you consider that it took six months to mount up a response to 9-11 ..... when your ability to make war is based upon air superiority, and victory is based upon land might, well yeah, you are going to be laughed at. i honestly commiserate with my friends in uniform whom understand now that they are fighting battles, for which no victory is sought.
so this future leader amasses a huge army ..... and our response is - - - - can you wait for six months?
as far as weapons are concerned, if you have a weapon but refuse to use it or lack the ability to use it, it is not a weapon at all. the days of shared mutual destruction are long gone, thanks to SALT. our politicians have seen to our inability. when you consider that it took six months to mount up a response to 9-11 ..... when your ability to make war is based upon air superiority, and victory is based upon land might, well yeah, you are going to be laughed at. i honestly commiserate with my friends in uniform whom understand now that they are fighting battles, for which no victory is sought.
so this future leader amasses a huge army ..... and our response is - - - - can you wait for six months?
Show me where you think America is in bible prophecy and I may be able to show you it was a reference to something already in the past.
A long as it is Christians in America we will stand behind Israel, Unless we are under attack and being rounded up for not going along with the new world order. So broke and starving that we just can't worry about Israel as a people, but I don't believe our government will be that way. We can just take other countried oil / gas to keep our planes in the air and our tanks rolling and that's if we really need it anymore. I'm sure we have more stuff running on other things besides oil / gas ..
The book of revelation is a lot about WAR and I believe even if we go broke we would not give that to China, Russia,I believe we would help out the EU or the anti-christ that's sitting in the temple claiming to be god. He is the one protecting Israel but also causing all the wars the way I see it.
Daniel 7:20 I also asked about the ten horns on the fourth beast’s head and the little horn that came up afterward and destroyed three of the other horns. This horn had seemed greater than the others, and it had human eyes and a mouth that was boasting arrogantly.
So who are the 10 horns? Is this 10 nations or the world divided in to 10? Either way we could be the little horn. We are a young but strong country and our leader could take out three. Maybe in some ways already has -- Egypt, Libya, Iraq, The Eastern side of the Roman empire.
The book of revelation is a lot about WAR and I believe even if we go broke we would not give that to China, Russia,I believe we would help out the EU or the anti-christ that's sitting in the temple claiming to be god. He is the one protecting Israel but also causing all the wars the way I see it.
Daniel 7:20 I also asked about the ten horns on the fourth beast’s head and the little horn that came up afterward and destroyed three of the other horns. This horn had seemed greater than the others, and it had human eyes and a mouth that was boasting arrogantly.
So who are the 10 horns? Is this 10 nations or the world divided in to 10? Either way we could be the little horn. We are a young but strong country and our leader could take out three. Maybe in some ways already has -- Egypt, Libya, Iraq, The Eastern side of the Roman empire.
It'll take too much time to explain it all now...I don't have the time...but if you are interested who/what the 10 horns represents go to End Times According to the bible by Ed Budd.
God revealed that to me using scripture the night of operation shock and awe, ive never found it again, not even with google. That day God pressed me to find a bible, I couldnt told Him He would have to show me where one was and He did, there was an audible thump at a book shelf in my friends living room, smiling I obeyed knowing what id find and b ooks were collapsed, there in the center a large white bible. I prayed if something was relevant to show it to me and He did. The scripture was clear. The northern enemy would face to the east the attack would come from behind it over the largest body of water. If you face every country east only the americas have the largest body of water behind them. I tell you this knowing I would rather be deemed a false prophet by man than an unfaithful steward by God
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babyboyblue
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I thought Revelation 13:11 was the introduction to the US as it relates to bible prophecy. With the US being the world's "Super Power" it only makes sense that she would be mentioned, no?
Revelation 13
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Revelation 13
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
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chesser
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I dont think america is mentioned at all in the bible(besides when it says stuff like"they will go out and preach to all nations") and for those who say the stuff about war, remember this: Russia has more nukes
You are reading Revelation with a 21st century mind set. If revelation was written to us, then it would have made absolutely no sense to the 1st century Christians that the book was actually written too. Imagine that, John gives them a book and says read it and be bless, oh btw, its not about you, its all about events that will happen 2000+ years from now...Well, if that was true, why didn't John say that? Instead John made if very clear with all the time references that the time was a hand (near) and things would happen quickly.
The beast described in Revelation is the same Beast mentioned in the book of Daniel. Also the word "earth" in revelation can be and IMO should be interpreted as "land". Revelation was God lawsuit against Israel for their disobedience and harlotry and also a book of encouragement and vindication of the saint at that time. Although we can gain much from reading it in application. The last few Chapters relates to the church age and the new heavens and the new earth. If you interpret Revelation with the other 66 books of the bible, using the OT as the key to the things that are symbolized (which 1st century Christians would have understood) then the book fits perfectly with Deuteronomy 28, Leviticus 26, Ezekiel 16, Daniel, etc. etc..All guess work is man's speculation!!!
Bookends I'm not going to go around with you but everyone that knows the bible knows that is wrong ..
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Chesser -- Somebody beats Russia, Iran, and a group of muslim nations, then beats china and others in the biggest war in history
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Laodicea
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Revelation 17:15 KJV
(15) And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
A beast coming out of the water is a nation coming from a populated area. So a beast coming out of the earth is a nation coming from an area with very little population as in the USA how they began.
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kenisyes
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This theory may sound strange but there are people who believe it. First, let me point out that the sun did stand still for Joshua for many hours, and the sun did retrograde 10 steps for Isaiah and Hezekiah. One possible conclusion (and the simplest scientifically) is that the continents have moved significantly in written historical time. I am told that EVERY sundial and astronomical observation made before about 720BC is off several degrees, and no one knows why.
Let's suppose it's true, and the last movement was ca. 720BC (Hezekiah). Could America have a different name in some of the prophetic books because it was in a different place on the globe? I know of only one tradition, although I doubt the sources. It says America covered the north pole region as Antarctica now covers the south (in fact, the North Pole was in Kansas). Suppose it's true? My dictionaries say "Gog" means "roof", and give no definition for Magog. If Magog is derived from Gog, it could be using M+ as a Hiphil (causative prefix), and thus mean "that which causes to become a roof". Most researchers feel Gog is Russia (like Meshech = Moscow since the consonants are the same). The identification is that when Magog moved, it caused Gog to become the roof of the world. Could America be Magog?
Oxinwolfskin: The Jews teach that God created 10 things on the 6 days of creation. Can the horns be linked to these? If you're not familiar with the list (from Ginzberg): light, firmament, gathering of waters, grass & herbs, lights, abundance, inheritance (after it's kind), food, ability to have image of God, spouse. Each is Scriptural, but Scripture never says there are 10; the count is a rabbinical teaching.
Let's suppose it's true, and the last movement was ca. 720BC (Hezekiah). Could America have a different name in some of the prophetic books because it was in a different place on the globe? I know of only one tradition, although I doubt the sources. It says America covered the north pole region as Antarctica now covers the south (in fact, the North Pole was in Kansas). Suppose it's true? My dictionaries say "Gog" means "roof", and give no definition for Magog. If Magog is derived from Gog, it could be using M+ as a Hiphil (causative prefix), and thus mean "that which causes to become a roof". Most researchers feel Gog is Russia (like Meshech = Moscow since the consonants are the same). The identification is that when Magog moved, it caused Gog to become the roof of the world. Could America be Magog?
Oxinwolfskin: The Jews teach that God created 10 things on the 6 days of creation. Can the horns be linked to these? If you're not familiar with the list (from Ginzberg): light, firmament, gathering of waters, grass & herbs, lights, abundance, inheritance (after it's kind), food, ability to have image of God, spouse. Each is Scriptural, but Scripture never says there are 10; the count is a rabbinical teaching.
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babyboyblue
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I have to read with a 21st Century mindset. I live in the 21st century. Don't you? That does not mean I'm taking all of scripture and applying it to my time. Only the relevant parts.
John knew quiet well that much of what he was writing was not for his understanding or for his time. Even the prophet Daniel understood that when the angel told him to write, then to seal up the book until the time of the end. The disciples thought what Jesus said was for them and they were looking for him to return in their time. Didn't happen, but we have the promise that it will happen so it has to be in our time.
The Bible was written and laid out exactly as God intended. It's perfect just the way it is. Just because you're unable to piece it together properly doesn't mean that it's wrong.
Israel is finished, done, no more. Nothing after Christ refers to that forsaken nation. Christ Himself stood up in church and said "all the promises of God are Yes in Me." Israel who?
But that's not the topic.
Revelation 13's beast power. The United States will join forces with the other beast to create an image of the beast of old. The two together will "causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:" Mark of the beast.