Where Is Mother Teresa Now?

[DiscipleDave]

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Christ's version of Christianity is a religion consisting of supernatural
realities. One of those realties is God's active presence in the lives of Christ's
loyal followers.

†. John 14:16 . . I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another
Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever

†. John 14:18 . . I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you

†. John 14:21 . . He who has my commandments and keeps them, he it is
who loves me; and he who loves me shall be loved by my Father, and I will
love him, and will disclose myself to him.

†. John 14:23 . . If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father
will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

When someone complains; as did Teresa, that:

"I am told God loves me; and yet the reality of darkness & coldness &
emptiness is so great that nothing touches my soul."

And/or:

"When I try to raise my thoughts to Heaven, there is such convicting
emptiness that those very thoughts return like sharp knives and hurt my
very soul. How painful is this unknown pain-- I have no faith."

And/or:

"Now Father-- since 49 or 50 this terrible sense of loss-- this untold
darkness-- this loneliness, this continual longing for God-- which gives me
pain deep down in my heart-- Darkness is such that I really do not see
neither with my mind nor with my reason-- the place of God in my soul is
blank-- There is no God in me-- when the pain of longing is so great-- I just
long & long for God-- and then it is that I feel-- He does not want me-- He is
not there-- God does not want me-- Sometimes-- I just hear my own heart
cry out-- "My God" and nothing else comes-- the torture and pain I can't
explain"

When people complain like that; it's quite obvious they have not only been
abandoned by God, but they never experienced His active presence in their
lives to begin with.

So; what happened? Why didn't Teresa experience the active presence of
God in her life? Well; hello? Her problem stemmed from John 14:21 and
John 14:23.

Bottom line: Teresa may have been a good Catholic, and she may have been
an excellent Sister Of Charity; but the truth is: she didn't love Christ, but
was, in point of fact, quite insubordinate; simple as that.

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Reminds me of the Scriptures which teach, "first remove the mote in your own eye, so you can see clearly to remove the speck in your brothers eye"

Tell me, Do you knowingly and willingly obey satan and commit sin? Yes or No?

Do you continue to live in sin, and then claim Sister Teresa did not know Jesus because of her sin? i will tell you the Truth, the same way you have judged her, God shall judge you the exact same way that you have judged her. So if YOU are insubordinate, then you also don't love Christ, simple as that.

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[DiscipleDave]

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Teresa's public statements are very motivational: they're full of flowery
phrases, pious platitudes, and praises for Christ; while her private
statements reveal it was all an act.

You know, I just have to wonder how many other people-- standing in
pulpits, leading prayer meetings, out on the mission field, and/or teaching
catechism and Sunday school --are putting on acts too.

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Yeah, i hear ya, i wander how many claim Jesus is their Master and Lord, but they willingly choose to obey satan and commit sin, Which they know full well are sinful yet do them over and over and over and over again, never ceasing from them, Hypocrites they are, Yes Brother, i hear ya.

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[DiscipleDave]

99% of what you think the Catholic Church teaches is false. For example, the Pope claims to be God on earth? is anti-Catholic bigotry and hate speech, not to mention plain stupid. I've seen those "Bible-Christian" sites that make this false claim, too bad you have been so easily deceived.

i think that 99% of what people THINK they know is false. You say "The Pope claims to be God on earth" i find it extremely hard to believe the pope has made that statement. More than likely others have claimed that about the pope. But YOU say the pope said he was God on earth, which thing the pope probably never said. i can't say one way or the other, because i do not know what he said or what he did not say, i do not follow the pope. But if you are going to accuse another person, no matter who that other person is, as saying such a thing, make sure that what you are saying is TRUE. Like i said, i find it extremely difficult to believe the pope or any man for that matter makes the claim they are God on Earth. Even the anti-christ himself will not make such a claim, but OTHERS will call the anti-christ God. Now i have heard from others that the pope speaks for God, but i have never heard that the pope claimed he was God on Earth. i think you are in error in teaching that he did.

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[DiscipleDave]

A Protestant review of Mother Teresa. Come Be My Light: The Private Writings of the “Saint of Calcutta.”

Mother Teresa wanted the letters that make up most of this book destroyed, and it is easy to understand why. They contain an intimate picture of the heart and soul of one of the most remarkable people of the twentieth century, and it is a picture that contradicts her cheerful outward demeanor and shocked her closest friends. At times I felt uneasy while reading this book, wondering if I, too, had become privy to something that should never have been revealed to the public. But the inner portrait of Mother Teresa that emerges in the pages of this book offers several meaningful lessons to the reader who approaches it with an open mind and heart. ... . .. . . .... .. . .. . .. . .. . ..... .. .... . . .. . . ..

There was only one person who was perfect from birth till death, and that was Jesus Christ. Sister Teresa was human being, she was not born divine, she was not half human, half God. She was 100% human like you, and me. She had battles, she had demons to deal with. What? Do you think the devil and his demons did not attack her constantly? Know you not the closer a person gets to God, the more satan and his minions come after them. God does not desire that any be lost. satan also desires to have every soul to himself. So those who he might lose, are they that he comes after the most.

Mary who born Jesus Christ, was 100% human also, she had her demons to deal with as well, all humans struggle with sin, even Jesus struggled with sin in the wilderness. What i struggle with, may not be what you struggle with. Sister Teresa also, just like you and i, struggled with her own demons, her own sinful thoughts. Is it strange then if satan attacks a persons faith when that person has no apparent sin in her life? Sure he does. satan will tempt a person to steal if they have a tendency to be a thief. satan will tempt a person with lust, if a person has a tendency to gratify themselves. But if Sister Teresa had no lustful tendencies, had not stealing tendencies, had not evil or wicked desires, what then? satan is going to leave her alone, let her be. NO, NO, NO. satan will attack her with all his might against her Faith. he will say things like "You are so Holy, yet God does not talk to you at all" or " You do so much for people, yet God does not speak to you, or reveal to you any dreams or visions" or "Maybe you are not good enough, for God to reveal Himself to you" If satan can't attack a person with temptations, then he will most assuredly attack them with doubts, worries, guilt, confusion, and the such. Which seems to me, is exactly what he has done with Sister Teresa. (i have not read her biography)

So then Sister Teresa expressed her doubts, her fears, her confusion. But that question is, did she turn away from the Faith or remain in her Faith until the end? That is the question, isn't it? So she questioned if there was a God, satan is the one who tempted her to question that. So in the end did she remain steadfast in the belief that there is a God?

i warn every single person here who is quick to judge Sister Teresa, and you better listen to this warning, your own salvation might me at stake here. The same way you have judged her, is how God will judge you. i don't teach that, Scriptures teaches that.

Mat_7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. :2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

If then you judge Sister Teresa as not being a Christian because of her doubts and fears, then you in a like manner shall be judge if you are a Christian based solely on your doubts and fears. You have been warned.

Where is your LOVE for her? Are we so quick to point our fingers at others and judge them? i tell you the same way you judge others is how you are going to be judged. You have been warned.

Didn't Jesus teach that the pharisees should have had Mercy:

Mat_23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Does Sister Teresa get Mercy from God, or have you already condemned her to Hell because of her testimony during her hour of temptation? Have you judge her because of her hour of temptation, then you will be judged how you respond during your hour of temptation when it comes upon you.

Tell me, do you think Sister Teresa, ever prayed to God for the thoughts that came unto her?

Mar 9:23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.
Mar 9:24 And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.
Mar 9:25 When Jesus saw that the people came running together, he rebuked the foul spirit, saying unto him, Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him.
Mar 9:26 And the spirit cried, and rent him sore, and came out of him: and he was as one dead; insomuch that many said, He is dead.
Mar 9:27 But Jesus took him by the hand, and lifted him up; and he arose.

That man admitted to his doubts, and asked Jesus to help him with his unbelief. And even though he had doubts, Jesus cured his son. What then? Sister Teresa, could not have asked for Jesus to help her with her unbelief as well? Did i not read in a previous post that after her depression phase, the last few months of her life she was fine?

The same way you judge others, will be used against YOU when you are judged by God.

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[DiscipleDave]

Galatians 5:19-21
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Sending a prayer to Mary is Idolatry.

Praying to Mary is Idolatry.

Asking Mary to pray for you is Idolatry.

Saying the Hail Mary is Idolatry.

Praying the Rosary is Idolatry.

All who practice Idolatry cannot inherit the Kingdom of God!

Mother Teresa will spend Eternity in the Lake of Fire along with Satan and his angels.

Do you judge her as doing those things listed, yet you yourself also do things that are in that list? Are you saying that you do not have an issue with anything in that list? Or are you quick to point out an item in that list that you do not do, such as idolatry, and condemn another? Do you condemn her because of the one thing in that list? How then will you not be condemned as well, if you do even one of those things mentioned in that list?

As i have said, the same way you judge her, shall be used to judge you.

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[tourist]

Galatians 5:19-21
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Sending a prayer to Mary is Idolatry.

Praying to Mary is Idolatry.

Asking Mary to pray for you is Idolatry.

Saying the Hail Mary is Idolatry.

Praying the Rosary is Idolatry.

All who practice Idolatry cannot inherit the Kingdom of God!

Mother Teresa will spend Eternity in the Lake of Fire along with Satan and his angels.

You seem to have a fixation on Mary. This is probably not healthy.

 

[DiscipleDave]

There are no "good people" in the World. Everyone is a sinner even Mother Teresa.
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For all HAVE sinned. It does not say "For all WILL sin". There are good people in the world, and they have Jesus living in them.

Jesus is the only human who has never committed any sin whatsoever. Every human on Earth has committed sin, therefore every human on Earth is a sinner. But just because someone is a sinner, does not mean they will continue to live in sin. i have ceased from sinning, i do all things to please Jesus Christ. i hate satan, i abhor sin. Am i saying i have never sinned, Heavens no, i am a sinner just like everyone else, because i HAVE sinned. Does that mean i continue to live in sin, Heavens no. my Master and Lord is Jesus Christ, i do not obey His enemy the devil. When satan tempts me to commit sin, i spit in his face and tell him to move on, because Jesus is my Master and i will not listen to or obey satan.

my point is this, there are Good People in the world, but they are so few, because that path is very difficult and very narrow, that there don't seem to be any. But there is.

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[DiscipleDave]

How can Mother Teresa be a True Christian when Mary was her god? Every person who follows Mary will never inherit the Kingdom of God.

Are you saying (i do not know) that Sister Teresa did not pray to God the Father in Heaven? Are you saying that Sister Teresa never prayed to Jesus Christ the Son of God? Doesn't this generation teach that belief in Jesus is enough for one to be Saved? Did Sister Teresa believe Jesus was the Son of God? Does Sister Teresa in her biography, say that Mary was her God, or is this what you think she thought? i do not know, i have not read her biography.

Read the Scriptures fordman. Do you see any Disciples or Apostles going through a 40 year period of despair? NO!

No, but i do know a very religious man went around killing people who claimed to believe in Jesus Christ, who then became and Apostle, they called him Paul. i wander if all that killing of Christians haunted him the rest of his life?

Philippians 4:4-7

[SUP]4 [/SUP] Rejoice in the Lord always. Again I will say, rejoice!
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Let your gentleness be known to all men. The Lord is at hand.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God;
[SUP]7 [/SUP] and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

God has told us to Rejoice in Him!

For Mother Teresa to be in darkness for 40 years proves Jesus was NOT her Savior!

Do you know what baffles me? The 40 years you are speaking of, she was a light in the world, was she not? Yet only upon reading her deepest thoughts do we now say she was in darkness. Know you not that it is written Love covers a multitude of sins? If we are judging if a person goes to Heaven by the amount of Love they give to others, where would you stand compared to Sister Teresa? If then Love covers a multitude of sins, and Sister Teresa Loved Much, how are there those who condemn her today? i will tell why. because they do not LOVE as she did, and their sins are not covered, and therefore still remain. How easy is it to point our fingers at others and condemning them, and judging them?

Do you Love as she did? Is it not written God is LOVE. This generation is nothing more than a mouth, no works, no LOVE, no good deeds, all mouth. Full of viper poison, quick to strike at others, with no Mercy, no Forgiveness, no Compassion. This generation is fit for the wrath of God to come upon.

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[DiscipleDave]

I find that so sad that the Catholics ignore the very Word of God to follow the lies of the Catholic Church.

Anyone who ignores the Word of God, regardless of their belief, Jew or Greek, male or female, will not know or understand the Truth. Just like Christians of this generation which ignore all the verses which plainly teach to STOP SINNING. So then if Catholics are ignoring the Word of God, and Protestants are ignoring the Word of God, i don't see how they both are not in the same sinking boat.

You can ignore all you want epostle, but you have put yourself in the Lake of Fire.

Nobody is put in the Lake of Fire, not even satan, UNTIL the Great White Throne Judgment. And it does not matter what a person believes today, they can come to the Truth tomorrow. Therefore Today, you do not know who is or who is not going to be put in the Lake of Fire.

Its Catholicism that is off to the looney bin by teaching the commandments of men as Doctrines from God.

Is it not Protestants also that is off to the looney bin by teaching the commandments of men as Doctrines from God. Protestants have so many false doctrines, that i can't even count them. To name but a few: Once Saved Always Saved, Must Tithe 10%, Must keep the 10 Commandments, Must keep the Sabbath, Jesus is the Father, Rapture has happened already, satan is bound right now, Pre-Trib, Post-Trib, Believing in Jesus is enough, Faith only can Save, Works not needed at all, We will always continue to sin, it is impossible to cease from sinning, and many other such things they teach, which are all commandments of men being passed off as Doctrines from God.

Here is what God says about the Catholic Church teaching Mary is our Mediator.

Please note: It is not what God says about the Catholic Church, it is what YOU say the Bible is saying about the Catholic Church, there is a difference.

Matthew 15:8-9

[SUP]8 [/SUP] “‘This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me;
[SUP]9 [/SUP] in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’”

In vain you Worship God epostle because you teach Mary is our Mediator which is a commandment of the Catholic Church.

If it is True that to pray to Mary as a mediator is a commandment of the Catholic Church, that indeed would be wrong. But let us assume for a moment that if a person does pray to Mary (which by the way i think is wrong) that they commit sin. How is that sin different from the sins that you continue to do, sometimes on a daily basis?

Do Catholics profess Jesus Christ is the Son of God? Yes, i believe they do.
Do Catholics pray to Jesus Christ the Son of God? Yes, i believe they do.
Are Catholics Christians? Yes, i believe they are, because they believe in Christ.
Do Catholics teach the teachings of Jesus and His Apostles? Yes, they do.
So a person who is a Catholic, commits sin by praying to Jesus (not saying they do mind you) How is that any different then you praying in Church then living in sins every day?

Tell me, is is wrong or evil for a person to pray and talk to one that has passed away? Do i commit sin if i pray and talk to my grandparents who are dead? Just because i talk to them, does not mean i worship them. Now it is True, if they, the Catholics, do worship Mary, then yes that is evil and wrong, but do not judge all Catholics by the actions of a few who do worship Mary. Everyone will stand and be judged by God, they will answer to God just as you will answer to God for your own wicked things that you do, and have not ceased from them, but continue to live in those sins, all the while thinking you are Heaven bound, because of some false doctrine that you hold on to.

People, get your own life together, start walking in the light, like Jesus did. Stop judging others, when you are in need of judging your own self. First get yourself right, that you may be able to effectively help others. First work on that log that you are carrying.

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[DiscipleDave]

Not having faith in Jesus increased her union with God?

That's like saying a fish out of water increased its oxygen intake.

Seriously, that made me laugh out loud. Not that it was said to another, but what a great analogy concerning what was said.

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[DiscipleDave]

I think not..... Archbishop Lucas Sirkar of Calcutta said it best: "Those who are questioning the faith of the Mother have no idea of what is spiritual life. The more you move forward in the path to saintliness or holiness, the more you have to struggle against that which is not holy." And then we have Sister Nirmala, Mother Teresa's successor and superior general of the Missionaries of Charity, added that what Mother Teresa went through is "A trial few souls go through. The light is so strong and the human capacity is so less. What happens when you look at the blazing sun? You are blinded. It’s like that."

This is were I suggest you go back and take a long hard read on my last sentence of post #99.

Whether it’s like an eclipse or being blinded, many devout and saintly people feel God has deserted them. The ancient Jewish prayer songs, the Psalms, are full of such allusions and Jesus utters one of these psalms questioning why God has forsaken him as he dies on the cross.

The sixteenth century Spanish poet and mystic, St. John of the Cross, goes further. He advises deliberately casting aside bodily pleasures and desires and emptying ourselves of spiritual feelings and thoughts – "the dark night of the soul". Instead, he says, we must "lean upon dark faith, taking it for guide and light". He explains how this period of dark faith is a painful time of apprehension and despair when God is purifying us so we might be ready for a new life in union with him.

St Teresa of Avila, the sixteenth century mystic and friend of St John, went through 18 years of emptiness before her "soul was full of light", while the most widely read spiritual writer, Trappist monk Thomas Merton, prayed, "I have no idea where I am going. I do not see the road ahead of me."
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The depth of Mother Teresa's doubts could be viewed by nonbelievers and skeptics like yourself as more evidence of the emptiness of religious belief. But Catholic scholars and supporters of the woman who toiled in Calcutta's slums and called herself "a pencil in God's hand" argue that her struggles make her more accessible and her work all the more remarkable."It shows that she wasn't a plaster-of-Paris saint who never had a doubt about God or the ultimate meaning of life," said the Rev. Richard McBrien, a University of Notre Dame theology professor and author of "Lives of the Saints." "This can only enhance her reputation as a saintly person with people who aren't easily impressed with pious stories. Those who think otherwise have a lot of learning to do about the complexities of life and about the nature of faith."
　

Ultimately what it comes down to Utah, is that Mother Teresa's struggles will demonstrate faith isn't about feeling, it's about will.

　
　
　
Pax Christi
　
　
　

Everything you say here, i agree with. The Holier a person becomes, the more they are bombarded by satan and his minions, satan does not want to lose even one soul to God's side, every soul he loses is a spirit that will fight against him in the last battle between God and satan. So every soul matters to both God and to satan as well. The more Holy a person becomes the more they are attacked by satan with doubts, confusion, fear, and the such.

There are spiritual levels a person goes through in their spiritual growth. Some are on milk, some are on meat, some are fasting. Many people over the years have come to me for counseling, concerning this growth, they would come to me saying that they were on fire for God for many years, but now, now they are just "Blah", they don't feel the fire, they don't feel much of anything at all, they don't feel Jesus. They think something is wrong, because one moment they are on fire for the Lord, the next "Blah" they come to me seeking counseling what to do. i inform them, this is normal, it is a transition period between one spiritual growth to the next spiritual growth, which i call a Spiritual Lull. Some last longer than others, some it happens almost immediately. i tell them to keep reading the Word, the Spirit is going to burst out one day, and it will be stronger than before. And over the years, i have seen this come to pass before my very eyes, on many different occasions. This Spiritual Lull can be seen in Scriptures as well.

Rev_8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

Nothing, no Praising, no singing, no judging, silence. Then the 7 trumpets are blown. Seals - one spiritual level. Trumpets - another spiritual level.

Again, i agree with all that you say above.

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[DiscipleDave]

Hebrews 12:

5 And you have forgotten that word of encouragement that addresses you as sons: "My son, do not make light of the Lord's discipline, and do not lose heart when he rebukes you,
6 because the Lord disciplines those he loves, and he punishes everyone he accepts as a son."
7 Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as sons. For what son is not disciplined by his father?
8 If you are not disciplined (and everyone undergoes discipline), then you are illegitimate children and not true sons.
9 Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of our spirits and live!
10 Our fathers disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, that we may share in his holiness.
11 No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and PEACE for those who have been trained by it.

12 Therefore, strengthen your feeble arms and weak knees.
13 "Make level paths for your feet," so that the lame may not be disabled, but rather healed.

Peace is promised to those who have been through that period of purging known as the dark night of the soul. As a harvest. Much peace, peace which passeth understanding. Many saints witness to this including St John himself. Yet Teresa complained of a lack of peace throughout her later years. This makes God a liar.

Some people will accept what others tell them even if it contradicts scripture.

Sorry, i do not know the answer to this question. Are you saying she did not get through this purging as you call it? Am i not to understand that at the end of her life, she was fine, not depressed, not in darkness? If then at the end of her life she was at Peace, how then did she not make it though this purging? Even if it did take 40 years for her to do so?

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[DiscipleDave]

How can a person declare they have accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior when they Worship Mary as their god?

i would imagine the same way Protestants declare they have accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior, yet knowingly and willingly obey satan and commit sin.

Mother Teresa was a "good" Catholic in that she Worshiped and followed Mary as her god.

Did she say that Mary was her God, or is that what YOU are saying, what you are accusing her of?

All who pray the "Hail Mary" and the Rosary will spend Eternity in the Lake of Fire for practicing Idolatry.

That sounds exactly like the Pharisees and what they taught 2,000 years ago. NO Forgiveness, NO Mercy, NO Compassion.

Galatians 5:19-21

[SUP]19 [/SUP] Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Mother Teresa committed Idolatry and will not Inherit the Kingdom of God epostle.

Do you commit "sexual immorality" like looking at porn of ungodly people doing ungodly things?
Do you commit "impurity" by having unpure thoughts?
Do you commit "sensuality" by fulfilling the desires of the flesh, drug and alchohol, filthy music, porn, gratification?
Do you commit "sorcery" Do you mess with Ouija Boards, seances, spells, seek fortune tellers?
Do you commit "enmity" between you and God, when you obey his enemy by obeying satan and not God?
Do you commit "strife" by putting down, belittling those of other faiths or religions?
Do you commit " jealousy" by not wanting to lose what you have, and worrying about it?
Do you commit "anger" by getting angry in excess?
Do you commit "rivalries" because you hate others, do you have a hate for Catholics?
Do you commit "dissensions" by liking to argue, and debate?
Do you commit "divisions" because you like to divide one set of people from another?
Do you commit "envy" because you desire to have what others have?
Do you commit "drunkenness" because you get drunk?
Do you commit "orgies" because you think about ungodly sexual things?
Do you commit "and things like these (SIN)" because you knowingly and willingly do something which you know full well is sinful but do it anyways?

You say Sister Teresa will not inherit the Kingdom of God because she committed "Idolatry". So then in the same way you have judged her to Hell, you will be judged the exact same way, i just hope you do not commit any of those things in that list, because then you also are condemned to Hell by your own judgements.

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[DiscipleDave]

Everybody who prays the Hail Mary prayer is praying to Mary as a god which is Idolatry fordman.

You do error thinking you know about the Catholic Faith, which is evident you do not, but have many false ideals about what they believe or don't believe. i counsel many people in my life, i have spoken with many Catholics in my life, not one of them, NOT ONE OF THEM, i said it twice there so you would not miss it. NOT one of them, ever said they thought Mary was a God, nor did they pray to Mary as a God.

Now granted i do not agree with praying to the dead, even if it is to a loved one that is passed away, because i know they are sleeping, and are not listening. The members of the Catholic Church prays to the Saints, i do not agree with this as i just said. But they do not pray to the Saints as if they were God, they are praying to the Saints, the spirits of the dead that lived before. For example, people pray to St. Anthony for lost items; to St. Jude (or perhaps St. Rita) for lost causes; to St. Gerard for motherhood; to St. Peregrine for Cancer victims; and to St. Dymphna for those with mental or nervous disorders, or epilepsy. For many years the prayer to St. Michael the Archangel was included at the end of Mass for his help in defeating Satan.

But none of them prayed to the Saints thinking they were God, not even the prayers to Mary did they think that Mary was a God, they all believed Mary was the Mother of Jesus Christ. Now YOU keep saying they pray to Mary as a God, which is something i have never heard them do, EVER. This is something YOU say and teach, which is not TRUE, i can see that, and i am not Catholic.

Who made you God fordman to deceive others into thinking there is nothing wrong with praying the Hail Mary?

And who made you God saying they are praying to Mary as a God? Who told you that? Who have you been listening to? Because Catholics are not telling you that is what they do, so then who, or what entity is telling you these things. Let us examine the "Hail, Mary" and see how evil you say it is:

Hail Mary full of Grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed are thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus. Holy Mary Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death Amen

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So are you trying to tell me, that anyone who prays that to Mary, is going to Hell? That they will not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven? Is that what you are saying? If they are praying that to Mary who they know is a dead Saint, that would be no different than a wife praying at her husbands grave talking to him in the grave. What? That person is going to Hell also for talking to her dead husband in the grave? Now if they are praying to Mary thinking she is a God, then by all means you would be correct, they will not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven, but as far as i know, and i know many Catholics, they do not believe Mary is a God, nor do they worship her as a God, These things i only hear YOU saying.

The Hail Mary is a prayer that is directed to Mary, not to God. This is why your Eternal soul is in danger of being denied entrance into the Kingdom of God fordman.

So then if a person prays to their dead son, they too are in danger of being denied entrance into the Kingdom of God? If a person goes every Sunday to the cemetery and talks with their dead spouse, are they too in danger of being denied entrance into the Kingdom of God?

Look, i don't agree with talking to the dead, or praying to the dead, those that are in Christ are asleep, even to this present day, So a person can talk to them all they want, but the TRUTH is they are not listening, even as one tries to talk to a live person who is sleeping, they are not listening. Now do i think it is wrong to talk to dead spirits, Sure i do. i know that if i have a problem with the government, i would rather talk to the president, than talk to the president's Mother. i know that i can talk to Jesus about anything, He Trumps all other sleeping spirits, and Jesus is NOT asleep, and Jesus does hear me NOW. But to say and teach that those who do try to speak to the dead are going to Hell, or not going to enter into Heaven, that is equally wrong, even as they who speak to dead Saints are wrong likewise. i assure you if Mary was listening to all the prayers to her, she would never be resting at all, and Truthfully i would feel real sorry for her, the noise would be deafening.
No Sister Mary is sleeping. When Christ gets here, she will rise from the dead, with a NEW Glorified body, not her own flesh, not flesh from the Earth, but flesh from Heaven. To her, it would have only been minutes from the time she died, till Christ comes, 2,000 years later. She is sleeping.

Why fordman do you hate the Word of God? What is it about the Scriptures from God that you hate them so much?

Exodus 20:3
[SUP]3 [/SUP] “You shall have no other gods before me.


Deuteronomy 5:7
[SUP]7 [/SUP] “‘You shall have no other gods before me.

Do you not know fordman that every time you pray the Hail Mary you are making Mary your god?

This is what you say and think, NOT what Scriptures say and teach, YOU say this, not God, not His Word, but YOU. What if a person prays to their dead mother, they make their mother a God? That is what you are saying. You are saying if they pray to Mary the Mother of Jesus Christ, they are making Mary a God, that is what YOU are saying. Just because a person prays to someone who is dead, does not mean they are making that dead person a God as you seem to believe they do. You do error in that thinking.

Praying the Hail Mary prayer is praying to Mary as a god and this is Idolatry that will keep you and all the other Catholics from Inheriting the Kingdom of God.

True, if they are praying to her AS A GOD. But it is ONLY YOU, who is saying they pray to her as a God, in my 48 years of life, i have never heard one Catholic ever say they pray to Mary as a God. They all pray to Mary as the Mother of Jesus Christ, NOT a God, but the Mother of Jesus Christ, which is the Son of God. But you are absolutely right, anyone who prays to anyone, as a GOD, will not enter into the Kingdom of God. But as i said before, YOU are the ONLY one saying they pray to Mary as a God, this thinking comes from the mind of Vdp, NOT Scriptures, NOT God, NOT the Holy Ghost.

Is this really want you want fordman? To spend all Eternity cut off from God?

Mary is dead and in the grave fordman. Mary cannot hear you nor can she answer you. So why are you rejecting Jesus for Mary?

It is True, Mary is dead and sleeping, it is True that Mary can't hear, nor can she answer. But you are wrong to accuse fordman of rejecting Jesus merely because YOU assume fordman is praying to Mary as a God.

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[Hepzibah]

Sorry, i do not know the answer to this question. Are you saying she did not get through this purging as you call it? Am i not to understand that at the end of her life, she was fine, not depressed, not in darkness? If then at the end of her life she was at Peace, how then did she not make it though this purging? Even if it did take 40 years for her to do so?

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Disciple Dave

Mystical theology, which is what people are talking about when they bring John of the Cross and the dark night into things, and which you probably know, consists of Puragtion, Illumination and Union. It is found at certain times in all denominations including the catholic church but not officially. There, it is has not been tolerated with John being imprisoned for a time. Charles Finney, the Celtics believers and George Fox taught it, though Finney said he had not achieved Union nor had St Teresa of Avilla by her own admission.

Had Mother Teresa emerged from Purgation, which is primarily the experience of feeling abandoned by God, though of course He does not abandon His own, she would have become a holiness writer and preacher as well, with the emphasis on being delivered from the sin nature and able to live without sin which is what Jesus came to proclaim.

I can only logically conclude that she was not going through the mystical experience or that she died without it being completed, which is what happened to Teresa of Avilla, in that occassion by listening to her 'counsellors' and unfortunately for her, not including John of the Cross with whom she disagreed, and of course the Holy Spirit.

I can only logically conclude that she had bad councellors like her namesake but in the end the responsibility lay with her as the Holy Spirit can still speak to us despite foolish men.

I admire Mary as a sinless person, having been called 'full of grace' like many before and after her, though not from birth as she called Jesus her saviour therefore she needed salvation like us all.

I accept that catholics do not think that hey are praying to the dead as they consider the saints as alive with jesus.

 

[Utah]

I cry for the lost all the time, i mourn for this generation continually. When i walk out my door and see people so cold, heartless, mean, angry, and the such, i am saddened a great deal. Even as Lot was vexed daily because of the people around him. This has been long term for me as well, does that mean i am living in the flesh, because i am sad for the lost, sad for the billions who claim to be Christian who are not Christians at all?

Amen to this. I'm right there with you, Brother.

 

[Utah]

I admire Mary as a sinless person

Scripture please: Book, chapter and verse.

 

[Mec99]

1 Corinthians 5:11-13
[SUP]11 [/SUP] But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge?
[SUP]13 [/SUP] God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”

Praying the Hail Mary is Idolatry!

Praying the Rosary is Idolatry!

Asking Mary to pray for you is Idolatry!

We are to have NO fellowship nor associate with anyone who is an Idolater!

Mother Teresa was an Idolater!

It does not matter DiscipleDave, if the Catholics claim they do not worship Mary as a God because their actions of Praying to Mary does prove they Worship Mary as a god!

Are you so blind that you cannot understand that praying to a person makes that person your god? Or is it because you hate True Christians and attack them because you favor the Doctrines and commandments of Catholicism?

Show me where in the Scriptures DiscipleDave does the Holy Spirit say we can pray to others!

We are to pray to God only! Not to God and Mary!

Matthew 4:10
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Then Jesus said to him, “Be gone, Satan! For it is written, “‘You shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve.’”

 

[Mitspa]

Scripture please: Book, chapter and verse.

It gets so weird trying to discuss the bible with those that have been taught catholic doctrine...its like they believe stuff that is so unbiblical its hard to reason with them in the truth of scripture. Im mean there is nothing more unbiblical than these doctrines about mary..yet they cling to them as fact... Its hard to understand?

 

[KenAllan]

We are to judge those who claim to be inside the Church. Mother Teresa claimed to be a Christian and we have every right to judge her for what she did.

We have judges her DiscipleDave and have found she was a false brother. A Wolf in sheep clothing.

Matthew 7:15-20
[SUP]15 [/SUP] “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
[SUP]17 [/SUP] So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.

Mother Teresa was a false prophet DiscipleDave.