Which Bible Verses Will Prepare You for the Post-Tribulation Rapture (and the Great Tribulation Before That?)
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There are 2 distinct questions asked by the deciples in Matthew 24. I pertains to the destruction of the temple (70AD) and the other is the end of the age. Jesus comments addressed both events. Don't conflate the two. Also, in the same account of the temple destruction as recorded in parallel verses of Luke and Mark, the texts say nothing about the end of the age ad part of the question to Jesus yet he responds similarly providing comments about it. Also, read about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD as recorded by Josephus. That event truly was unimaginable and a great tribulation and clearly parallels the comments of Matt 24 regarding the great tribulation.A lot of what was prophesied doesn't line up with the events in 70AD, so the Great Tribulation can't be the persecution event that happened in 70AD. I study the Bible too, and I know I didn't misunderstand Matt 24, Luke 21 and Mark 13.
In terms of the Bible, the Bible gives instruction about everything that God want us to do to prepare for any event so saying that "No bible verse can prepare us for that!" might only apply to you if you don't take it to heart and do what it says.
https://josephus.org/causeofDestruct.htm
What matters is that you'll remember all this when the GT starts and hopefully you'll learn to endure quickly.
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Who is persecuted in the great Tribulation? Jews or Christians?
The Olivet Discourse (Matthew):
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
False Christ's are warned about.
Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
These are Christians being delivered up not Jews. Hated because of Christ's name! This proves that Christ is talking about Christians when he says "you". He was also speaking to his Christian disciples.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
The gospel of the kingdom is about Christ and is delivered by Christians.
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, ( whoso readeth, let him understand: )
"Ye" are Christians.
So, the AoD is going to affect "all the world" and Christians are the targets! Christians are persecuted and murdered for the testimony of Christ and because they carry his name.
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
"Ye" is still the same people, Christians.
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
The elect are Christians not Jews per the context of this passage.
Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Again, a warning about false Christs given to "you" which are Christians.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Another reference to false Christ's and the Christian elect.
Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
You=Christians and yet again another false Christ reference. There is a false Christ coming to deceive Christians and those not deceived will be delivered up, persecuted and killed.
Nothing about Jews at all because Jews are not the target of the Antichrist and tribulation.
Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
And here is the second coming. The gathering of the elect by angels is another way to speak of the rapture and the rapture is only for Christians. Christians are the body of Christ, are the Church of Christ, and are the bride of Christ, targeted by the enemy during the Great Tribulation of Christian persecution.
Again, nothing about Jews in the religion of Judaism at all because they are not the target of the Antichrist and tribulation.
The Olivet Discourse (Mark):
Mar 13:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,
Mar 13:4 Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?
Mar 13:5 And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you:
He is talking to his Christian disciples.
Mar 13:6 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
This is the false Christ that Christians are warned about.
Mar 13:7 And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet.
Mar 13:8 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.
Mar 13:9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
"for my sake" means the reason they are delivered to councils and beaten in Jewish synagogues is because they are Christians! This is not about Jewish persecution or punishment at all.
Mar 13:10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
That's the Christian gospel of Christ not a Jewish gospel.
Mar 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
"you" here is still the same people he is talking about, Christians.
Mar 13:12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.
Mar 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Here it is again. Those that carry the name of Christ, Christians, will be the ones persecuted.
Mar 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
Mar 13:15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:
Mar 13:16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.
Mar 13:17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mar 13:18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.
Mar 13:19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
Mar 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
The elect here are the same people in the entire OD, Christians!
Mar 13:21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:
Again Christians are being warned about the false Christ.
Mar 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
Same Christian elect here as well.
Mar 13:23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
Mar 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
Mar 13:25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
Mar 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
Mar 13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
And here is the second coming of the Christian Messiah and the rapturing/gathering.
Mar 13:28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:
Mar 13:29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.
Mar 13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
Mar 13:31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
Mar 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Mar 13:33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.
Mar 13:34 For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
Mar 13:35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
Mar 13:36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.
Mar 13:37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.
Never once does the subject change from Christian persecution to anything about the Jews being targeted for persecution or punishment. Christians are the body of Christ, are the Church of Christ, and are the bride of Christ, targeted by the enemy during the Great Tribulation of Christian persecution.
The OD is fully and completely about Christian persecution and AD70 was only about the Jews rebelling against the Roman's and being defeated.
In the GT Christians will be beaten in Jewish synagogues simply because Christians are the ones being persecuted not the Jews.
Let's see what Revelation says about persecution in the great tribulation:
Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
The ones persecuted are Christians!
Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
The ones persecuted are Christians!
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Christians are Satan's target!
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of [/B][/U]the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus[/B][/U].
The saints are Christians not Jews. The saints keep the faith of Jesus! The tribulation is war on Christianity.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
The witness of Jesus means they are Christians. The ones persecuted are Christians!
Christians are the body of Christ, are the Church of Christ, and are the bride of Christ, targeted by the enemy during the Great Tribulation of Christian persecution.
Mar 13:15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:
Mar 13:16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.
Mar 13:17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mar 13:18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.
Mar 13:19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
Mar 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
The elect here are the same people in the entire OD, Christians!
Mar 13:21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:
Again Christians are being warned about the false Christ.
Mar 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
Same Christian elect here as well.
Mar 13:23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
Mar 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
Mar 13:25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
Mar 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
Mar 13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
And here is the second coming of the Christian Messiah and the rapturing/gathering.
Mar 13:28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:
Mar 13:29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.
Mar 13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
Mar 13:31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
Mar 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Mar 13:33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.
Mar 13:34 For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
Mar 13:35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
Mar 13:36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.
Mar 13:37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.
Never once does the subject change from Christian persecution to anything about the Jews being targeted for persecution or punishment. Christians are the body of Christ, are the Church of Christ, and are the bride of Christ, targeted by the enemy during the Great Tribulation of Christian persecution.
The OD is fully and completely about Christian persecution and AD70 was only about the Jews rebelling against the Roman's and being defeated.
In the GT Christians will be beaten in Jewish synagogues simply because Christians are the ones being persecuted not the Jews.
Let's see what Revelation says about persecution in the great tribulation:
Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
The ones persecuted are Christians!
Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
The ones persecuted are Christians!
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Christians are Satan's target!
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of [/B][/U]the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus[/B][/U].
The saints are Christians not Jews. The saints keep the faith of Jesus! The tribulation is war on Christianity.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
The witness of Jesus means they are Christians. The ones persecuted are Christians!
Christians are the body of Christ, are the Church of Christ, and are the bride of Christ, targeted by the enemy during the Great Tribulation of Christian persecution.
What you're not considering is that you're developing (with charts) your own / your denomination's / your schools version of "Eschatology". And "Eschatology", in the final analysis, is nothing more than a religious term for "Rank Speculation".
Personally, I'll take vanilla.
The part of the Olivet Discourse (besides Matt24:2 / Mk13:2 / Lk21:5-6 parallel Mt22:7 and Lk19:41-43,44)... the part covering the 70ad events is found here (in Lk21:12-24a,b, of the Olivet Discourse):
12But before all these ["before all" the BoBPs just described in vv.8-11 (parallel M24:4-8 / Mk13:5-8)--"before all" those BoBPs], they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake. 13And it shall turn to you for a testimony. 14Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer: 15For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist. 16And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death. 17And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake. 18But there shall not an hair of your head perish. 19In your patience possess ye your souls.
The Destruction of Jerusalem
20And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies [again, comp. Mt22:7 and Lk19:41-43,44], then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. 24And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: [and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.; (I'm bracketing this portion of the verse [v.24c], as it is this portion of the verse that continues on from the 70ad events and only concludes at the time of Christ's Second Coming to the earth Rev19--per Rev11:2 and elsewhere); "the TIMES of the Gentiles" speaking of Gentile domination over Israel, which commenced in 606/605bc with Neb as "head of gold" Dan2:38 (not referring, here, to what we term "the Church age")]
You can take whatever flavour you like -------
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Dumb-donkey assumptions don't further your purposes here.
Are you 100% certain the "mark of the beast" has not come to pass already? Do you know history that well? Perhaps your interpretation of these verses blinds you to their actual fulfillment, just as the Pharisees were blinded by their misinterpretation to the Lord standing before them.
*Shrug* Just take the mark then if you're so sure it will be safe. No one is holding you back from doing that.
You're debating on a non-issue which is just wasting time. Accept the fact that the Christians of this time period will go through it. Do you think God will change the schedule just for you because you question His reason for this generation to go through it?
Instead of debating the issue, prepare yourself spiritually so when everything gets taken away from you - the ability to provide for yourself and family, the ability to travel anywhere you wish, you're own life, etc. - you'll not fall away from the Lord.
I don't agree with you, so I'll keep watch.
But you do you. So what are you doing now? What are you watching for in regard to the end times or the Lord's return? Are you going to take the mark that will allow you to buy and sell? Are you waiting for the Millennial Age?
I'm asking because I don't know what you're group believes about the end times if you think all these prophecies have already come to pass.
Not believing the mark of the beast exists is foolish. The globalists are already testing how the world would react if they impose something that will deeply affect our ability to buy and sell: COVID vaccination. They tested that system by saying that you can't work if you're not vaccinated. This is the precursor to the mark of the beast economic system.
And they're still not finished with it! You can't travel anymore to other countries without proof of vaccination or boosters. My father is leaving for the Philippines and was deeply upset that he has to register to show proof of vaccination/boosters. What is more, the airlines no longer accept paper scans to show proof. When you register, they give you a QR code that they will only accept from your smart phone, tablet or computer laptop. I can pretty much guess, that the next step is to that it will be updated on your mark for even easier scanning.
I'm glad I got to see the Philippines in 2020. I actually got stuck there because of the COVID lockdowns and stayed there longer than I planned. I was wondering why God would even send me there, but it is clear now: I won't ever be able to see it again in this age, until the Lord returns and ushers in the Millennial age.
Once again 2 distinct questions were asked by the deciples involving 2 distinct events and time frames.I don't agree with you, so I'll keep watch.
But you do you. So what are you doing now? What are you watching for in regard to the end times or the Lord's return? Are you going to take the mark that will allow you to buy and sell? Are you waiting for the Millennial Age?
I'm asking because I don't know what you're group believes about the end times if you think all these prophecies have already come to pass.
But regarding end times (not the great tribulation), I see things starting to take shape that just a few years back seemed impossible. I'm with you regarding the one world government for instance which is a goal of the UN. Read their 2030 agenda.
I'm also with you regarding the world wide economic push for CBDCs (Central Bank Digital Currency), and link that with RFIDs (Radio Frequency Identification chips) which are being instituted and propagated especially in Europe, that is the foundation for the mark of the beast. If the government controls digital currency and forces you to get a RFID chip to access your own "money", or funds, which are no longer hard currency, i.e; 'cash', then that becomes the essence of the mark of the beast. You'll no longer be able to buy or sell unless you comply.
And also for those that may be unaware, the great Euphrates River is almost totally dried up! Ck it out, and link that to the bible.
And one more thing for those also that may be unaware. There have been strange sounds in the sky reported world wide for many years already, that sound like trumpets! Check it out such as on utube, and link that to the bible.
A lot of very strange things have been occurring that cannot be denied and can be easily be traced to bible prophesy.
These are my own thoughts based on my own observations of readily known events and occurrences.
You seem to have the mistaken idea that the pre-trib perspective is that UNSAVED / UNBELIEVING JEWS are who we are saying will be persecuted, rather than SAVED / BELIEVING JEWS [/ ISRAEL].
This simply is not the case... it is not what pre-tribbers believe and are saying.
[As I've stated in past posts, everything in Matthew 24:4 onward (thru 2 chpts) is speaking of that which takes place FOLLOWING "our Rapture" (and they / Israel will have COME TO FAITH IN CHRIST in that (future) time-period being spoken of [see Hos5:14-6:3, esp. v.15 "in their affliction they will seek Me early")... and in Matt24:29-31 which is parallel to Isaiah 27:9,12-13 about (BELIEVING / SAVED-)Israel (comp. v.9 with Rom11:27 and Dan9:24) being gathered "one by one" to one place upon the earth (by "angels" HE SHALL SEND to do so), so as "to worship the Lord in the holy mount, AT JERUSALEM," that passage in Isaiah states... which is at the "GREAT" trumpet (per both passages, Isa27 and Matt24). It is not about UNBELIEVING Israel, at all... as you seem to keep reiterating in your above quoted posts... Not the case at all, that this is our perspective, despite your thinking it is.]
It's only imoportant what the bible says. The tribulation is against Christians (the church) not anyone else.
*Shrug* Just take the mark then if you're so sure it will be safe. No one is holding you back from doing that.
Do you believe the Covid vaccine is the mark of the beast? And if so, why haven't you explicitly stated this? Do you not care either way?