Which gospel should I believe to be saved ?
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yeah it’s all rooted there for sure and as the law and prophets came along it became more and more revealed until it finally came to Moses on the gospel and after the death and resurrection and his ascension To the throne in heaven.
a lot of revelation is found in prophecy like Isaiah , Ezekiel , zechariah Malachi and Joel
a lot of revelation is found in prophecy like Isaiah , Ezekiel , zechariah Malachi and Joel
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yes 430 years later and for the reason of transgression and was temporary until the seed came forth and the law was ordained of angels and mediated by Moses , whereas the gospel is given by God the Father son and Holy Ghost who are one
“Wherefore then serveth the law?
It was added because of transgressions,
till the seed should come to whom the promise was made;
and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.”
Galatians 3:19 -20 KJV
The gospel was before the law under the priesthood of Melchezidek Abraham received his promise
“And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: ( body and blood of communion )and he was the priest of the most high God. And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.”
Genesis 14:18-20 KJV
when Moses gives the law Aaron is named the priesthood and levites are designated preists alone. Leaving off Judah from the priesthood of the law because Christ would be the priest of the gospel being of melchezideks order that promised the gospel before the law ever came because of sin the gospel is about remitting sin ! Not importing it like the law which came because of it
“Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;”
Hebrews 3:1 KJV
“So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee. As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.”
Hebrews 5:5-10 KJV
“Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil; Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.”
Hebrews 6:19-20 KJV
“If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
…For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Judah; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. For the law made nothing perfect,
but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God. By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament. But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
…For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.”
Hebrews 7:11-12, 14-19, 22, 24-28 KJV
the priesthood of Christ is a subject of depth and solid food but it holds a lot of cohesive understanding about seperating the covenant laws completely even by the old priesthood and law itself being disannuled because it was always until the seed of promise came to speak his words of the gospel
“Wherefore then serveth the law?
It was added because of transgressions,
till the seed should come to whom the promise was made;
and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.”
Galatians 3:19 -20 KJV
The gospel was before the law under the priesthood of Melchezidek Abraham received his promise
“And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: ( body and blood of communion )and he was the priest of the most high God. And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.”
Genesis 14:18-20 KJV
when Moses gives the law Aaron is named the priesthood and levites are designated preists alone. Leaving off Judah from the priesthood of the law because Christ would be the priest of the gospel being of melchezideks order that promised the gospel before the law ever came because of sin the gospel is about remitting sin ! Not importing it like the law which came because of it
“Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;”
Hebrews 3:1 KJV
“So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee. As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.”
Hebrews 5:5-10 KJV
“Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil; Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.”
Hebrews 6:19-20 KJV
“If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
…For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Judah; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. For the law made nothing perfect,
but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God. By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament. But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
…For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.”
Hebrews 7:11-12, 14-19, 22, 24-28 KJV
the priesthood of Christ is a subject of depth and solid food but it holds a lot of cohesive understanding about seperating the covenant laws completely even by the old priesthood and law itself being disannuled because it was always until the seed of promise came to speak his words of the gospel
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Yes, and now you also understand my Post 198 that quickly sums up everything without having to spell it all out.
When you digest Scripture with the Holy Spirit for 30 years - the picture by picture by picture Plan of God unfolds more clearer Day by Day.
But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. 8Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ 9and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith; 10that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, 11if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.
12Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. 13Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended;
but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead,
14I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.
15Therefore let us, as many as are mature, have this mind; and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal even this to you. 16Nevertheless, to the degree that we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us be of the same mind.
PEACE to you my Brother
When you digest Scripture with the Holy Spirit for 30 years - the picture by picture by picture Plan of God unfolds more clearer Day by Day.
But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. 8Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ 9and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith; 10that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, 11if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.
12Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. 13Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended;
but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead,
14I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.
15Therefore let us, as many as are mature, have this mind; and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal even this to you. 16Nevertheless, to the degree that we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us be of the same mind.
PEACE to you my Brother
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Running Man,
The following quote of Genesis 22 in part is where Abraham either knowingly or unknowingly prophesied the Lamb of God Who Is God.
Gen 22:8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
Gen 22:9 And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar upon the wood.
Gen 22:10 And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.
Gen 22:11 And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I.
Gen 22:12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.
Gen 22:13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.
Note that God will provide Himself a Lamb. This is by no means an error, nor it is simply a reflexive verb. There are two treat testimonies to this understanding. First o Abraham declared it would be A Lamb for the Sacrifice, , yet when the Angel of god stopped him from sacrificing his son, his only son, he espied a RAM caught in a thicket and scrifice it. Secondly, our Father is never in error, and I cannot doubt that He put the words of Abraham in his mouth to say, just for you and for me and for all who believe the Lamb of God.
This too is the Good News.
PS.. Try to follow the posts of David Tee whenever possible. It is morning here, and I am not around much when most folks are.
The following quote of Genesis 22 in part is where Abraham either knowingly or unknowingly prophesied the Lamb of God Who Is God.
Gen 22:8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
Gen 22:9 And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar upon the wood.
Gen 22:10 And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.
Gen 22:11 And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I.
Gen 22:12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.
Gen 22:13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.
Note that God will provide Himself a Lamb. This is by no means an error, nor it is simply a reflexive verb. There are two treat testimonies to this understanding. First o Abraham declared it would be A Lamb for the Sacrifice, , yet when the Angel of god stopped him from sacrificing his son, his only son, he espied a RAM caught in a thicket and scrifice it. Secondly, our Father is never in error, and I cannot doubt that He put the words of Abraham in his mouth to say, just for you and for me and for all who believe the Lamb of God.
This too is the Good News.
PS.. Try to follow the posts of David Tee whenever possible. It is morning here, and I am not around much when most folks are.
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Fighting a losing battle ? I don' t fight people here.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Who am I ignoring you don't say. Try to stay on a single topic.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Who am I ignoring you don't say. Try to stay on a single topic.
there is fighting and there is debating both of which you have to know how to take what others say in stride it is your choice to put people on ignore but I just wanted to tell you that debates end a lot worse than what you were dealing with sometimes you can show all the evidence in the world and others will still not listen and it is a common thing in this forum so be prepared
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IMPORTANT what you said: "where Abraham either knowingly or unknowingly prophesied the Lamb of God Who Is God."
Abraham believed God and obeyed God - that was all that was required of him - God is painting the Picture for all generations.
Thus the most beautiful and vivid Picture of the Gospel of God is when the LORD appeared to Moses in the FIRE and told him:
God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ”
God also told Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ‘The LORD, the God of your fathers—the Elohim of Abraham, the Elohim of Isaac, and the Elohim of Jacob—has sent me to you.’ This is My name forever, and this is how I am to be remembered in every generation.
WORTH Repeating You said:
"Note that God will provide Himself a Lamb. This is by no means an error, nor it is simply a reflexive verb. There are two treat testimonies to this understanding. First o Abraham declared it would be A Lamb for the Sacrifice, yet when the Angel of god stopped him from sacrificing his son, his only son, he espied a RAM caught in a thicket and sacrifice it.
Secondly, our Father is never in error, and I cannot doubt that He put the words of Abraham in his mouth to say, just for you and for me and for all who believe the Lamb of God.
This too is the Good News."
i say: Amen HalelluYah Amen, with highlights = and thus Abraham was/is the "Friend of God" = James 2:23
QUESTION Dear Brother: Exodus 3:16 and John 3:16 compare the two - coincidence???
i took the liberty to highlight your words because what you said is Foundational Truth from Genesis - Amen
Abraham believed God and obeyed God - that was all that was required of him - God is painting the Picture for all generations.
Thus the most beautiful and vivid Picture of the Gospel of God is when the LORD appeared to Moses in the FIRE and told him:
God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ”
God also told Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ‘The LORD, the God of your fathers—the Elohim of Abraham, the Elohim of Isaac, and the Elohim of Jacob—has sent me to you.’ This is My name forever, and this is how I am to be remembered in every generation.
WORTH Repeating You said:
"Note that God will provide Himself a Lamb. This is by no means an error, nor it is simply a reflexive verb. There are two treat testimonies to this understanding. First o Abraham declared it would be A Lamb for the Sacrifice, yet when the Angel of god stopped him from sacrificing his son, his only son, he espied a RAM caught in a thicket and sacrifice it.
Secondly, our Father is never in error, and I cannot doubt that He put the words of Abraham in his mouth to say, just for you and for me and for all who believe the Lamb of God.
This too is the Good News."
i say: Amen HalelluYah Amen, with highlights = and thus Abraham was/is the "Friend of God" = James 2:23
QUESTION Dear Brother: Exodus 3:16 and John 3:16 compare the two - coincidence???
i took the liberty to highlight your words because what you said is Foundational Truth from Genesis - Amen
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I don't think you are understanding here. I put verses here to save peoples souls, when they believe Paul's gospel.
Not to debate or argue. If I do. I have lost. The whole purpose is showing people what God says in His word so they can know the truth.
The real issue here is where will you spend eternity when you die? . If you have not been put right with God then it is your own responsibility what you do with the Paul's gospel. Don't waist your time arguing or pointing to other people. God wants you to be saved. I want you to be saved. Christ died for our sins, that is the best news you can ever hear in your entire life.
1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Not to debate or argue. If I do. I have lost. The whole purpose is showing people what God says in His word so they can know the truth.
The real issue here is where will you spend eternity when you die? . If you have not been put right with God then it is your own responsibility what you do with the Paul's gospel. Don't waist your time arguing or pointing to other people. God wants you to be saved. I want you to be saved. Christ died for our sins, that is the best news you can ever hear in your entire life.
1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
This is quite interesting. Honestly, I've never put a lot of thought or study into it.
Could these verses fit in with it? We have Jesus saying that Abraham rejoiced to see his day and he saw it and was glad.
John 8
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Could these verses fit in with it? We have Jesus saying that Abraham rejoiced to see his day and he saw it and was glad.
John 8
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
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The Holy Spirit teaches us much more thru these debates, especially when blatant error pops up.
If we learn to bow our knee before the Word and do as the angels on the Mercy Seat (cover our faces/pride) the Scriptures Open Up to us
who are being made into His Image, according to His Likeness by the Power of God thru the Holy Spirit.
i said this to a Brother who was in clear opposition to a certain view i embrace from Scripture.
i said: If you are right and i am wrong - then i WIN, and if i am right and you are wrong then you WIN.
If we learn to bow our knee before the Word and do as the angels on the Mercy Seat (cover our faces/pride) the Scriptures Open Up to us
who are being made into His Image, according to His Likeness by the Power of God thru the Holy Spirit.
i said this to a Brother who was in clear opposition to a certain view i embrace from Scripture.
i said: If you are right and i am wrong - then i WIN, and if i am right and you are wrong then you WIN.
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Yes posting scriptures is good but I was merely warning you I have not seen it do a lot of good as everyone is right in their own minds few are mature enough to be in strong debates.
The reason we don't throw our pearls to the swine is specifically because of how hard it is to reach people.
I am not saying you are guilty of anything I was just pointing out that it was a losing battle meaning sometimes we just have to accept that some cannot be reached because they are not ready.
Now personally I do have an issue you calling Pauls gospel even he always called it the gospel of Jesus Christ or the testimony of Jesus Christ, all the apostles preached the same gospel it was never under anyone elses name than the name of Christ.
There is but one gospel and it isn't Pauls
The reason we don't throw our pearls to the swine is specifically because of how hard it is to reach people.
I am not saying you are guilty of anything I was just pointing out that it was a losing battle meaning sometimes we just have to accept that some cannot be reached because they are not ready.
Now personally I do have an issue you calling Pauls gospel even he always called it the gospel of Jesus Christ or the testimony of Jesus Christ, all the apostles preached the same gospel it was never under anyone elses name than the name of Christ.
There is but one gospel and it isn't Pauls
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Yes I can attest to how these debates can help us learn and grow in him. The main issues I have always seen though which I have often warned against was going into the debate with the wrong kind of heart. I have seen some have the wisdom and insight to sharpen their blades in debates but doing so with the intention of learning and growing while others do so merely to prove their point of view pulling verse after verse to either prove the other person wrong or to even attack and condemn.
This forum is actually much more tame than it used to be, in the past I always called this forum the field of blood because of all the attacks and mocking everyone did to each other but to be proven to be good in debates it takes more than being right it requires a learning and teachable heart we have to leave room in ourselves to see that we could be wrong and even able to admit when we are.
We have many teachers but we are lacking students
This forum is actually much more tame than it used to be, in the past I always called this forum the field of blood because of all the attacks and mocking everyone did to each other but to be proven to be good in debates it takes more than being right it requires a learning and teachable heart we have to leave room in ourselves to see that we could be wrong and even able to admit when we are.
We have many teachers but we are lacking students
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Those verses fit in with it better than saying Abraham was given Jesus' gospel. Abraham said God would provide a burnt offering and since Jesus was/is not a burnt offering then Abraham was talking about something else.
Abraham saw the day of Jesus, but not literally since that would be impossible. In my opinion, Abraham must have seen the day the Messiah (the manifestation of Christ on earth) by faith or he literally witnessed it from somewhere in the afterlife.
Also, consider this verse:
Hebrews 11:13
13These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Abraham saw the day of Jesus, but not literally since that would be impossible. In my opinion, Abraham must have seen the day the Messiah (the manifestation of Christ on earth) by faith or he literally witnessed it from somewhere in the afterlife.
Also, consider this verse:
Hebrews 11:13
13These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.