Who is Elihu?

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it seems yo me your accusation against Elihu all stems from this: you believe Job is completely impeccable and perfect in all his actions, thoughts and words, and that Elihu accuses him falsely of wrong.

couple things:

  • Elihu's case is decidedly not the argument Jobs friends bring against him. they say Job is being punished for sin, but Elihu does not say this. Elihu says Job has been justifying himself at the exp nse of God, and that is not righteous.
Here is what God says about Job (twice) in chapters 1 & 2, "there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, one who fears God and shuns evil." That is God's opinion of Job's character. Job then perseveres through his ordeal and does not lose his faith. God then says (twice) that Job has spoken rightly about him in chapter 42. Yes, Elihu is an accuser, and Elihu is wrong.

Do you have references for your extrapolations of Elihu not saying Job is punished for sin? As encouraged before, it's incumbent upon the reader to read what Elihu actually says. Here are a few examples:

1. Job 34:10,11, (Elihu speaking)

"Therefore listen to me, you men of understanding:
Far be it from God to do wickedness,
And from the Almighty to commit iniquity.
For He repays man according to his work,
And makes man to find a reward according to his way."

Elihu does not believe God would allow suffering unless there was a *cause*. So if Job is suffering, he is being punished for wrongdoing. Yet we already know this is not the case with Job.

2. Job 34:24-27 (Elihu speaking)

"He [God] breaks in pieces mighty men without inquiry,
And sets others in their place.
Therefore He knows their works;
He overthrows them in the night,
And they are crushed.
He strikes them as wicked men
In the open sight of others,
Because they turned back from Him,
And would not consider any of His ways,"

Again, Elihu bloviating about why Job is suffering, and he is wrong. Job is suffering in the sight of others, but not for the reason Elihu believes.

3. Job 36:16,17 (Elihu speaking directly to Job)

“Indeed He would have brought you out of dire distress,
Into a broad place where there is no restraint;
And what is set on your table would be full of richness.
But you are filled with the judgment due the wicked;
Judgment and justice take hold of you."

Elihu is clearly declaring that Job is suffering because he is being judged for his wickedness. This as we know is blatantly false.

Do not be deceived by Elihu. Do not be seduced either into thinking he thinks differently than the 3 friends, despite how he phrases it. What makes Elihu even worse is that he not only has the same opinion about Job as his 3 friends, but Elihu is also sadistic about it.
 
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  • God brings the same accusation against Job as Elihu does.
  • Job repents.
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Not sure if you read the previous reply, but there is a clear distinction with how God addresses Job and how Elihu address Job. Elihu makes *accusations* while God asks *questions*.

Job relents.
 
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Here is what God says about Job (twice) in chapters 1 & 2, "there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, one who fears God and shuns evil." That is God's opinion of Job's character. Job then perseveres through his ordeal and does not lose his faith. God then says (twice) that Job has spoken rightly about him in chapter 42. Yes, Elihu is an accuser, and Elihu is wrong.

Do you have references for your extrapolations of Elihu not saying Job is punished for sin? As encouraged before, it's incumbent upon the reader to read what Elihu actually says. Here are a few examples:
What God is saying is that Job has said the right thing, and that right thing was his confession, when he said he abhorred himself and repented. What you are saying flies in the face of Job 40:2 when God said, "Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? he that reproveth God, let him answer it."

Was Job right when he reproved God?


1. Job 34:10,11, (Elihu speaking)

"Therefore listen to me, you men of understanding:
Far be it from God to do wickedness,
And from the Almighty to commit iniquity.
For He repays man according to his work,
And makes man to find a reward according to his way."

Elihu does not believe God would allow suffering unless there was a *cause*. So if Job is suffering, he is being punished for wrongdoing. Yet we already know this is not the case with Job.

Elihu was sent by God and is speaking in God''s place.

Job's main sin was pride, when he exalted himself above God. What the three friends said about Job was true, and in fact Job stated that God had sent them as witnesses against him. What does the law say about two or more witnesses?

God was not punishing Job. but rather trying to save his soul.



2. Job 34:24-27 (Elihu speaking)

"He [God] breaks in pieces mighty men without inquiry,
And sets others in their place.
Therefore He knows their works;
He overthrows them in the night,
And they are crushed.
He strikes them as wicked men
In the open sight of others,
Because they turned back from Him,
And would not consider any of His ways,"

Again, Elihu bloviating about why Job is suffering, and he is wrong. Job is suffering in the sight of others, but not for the reason Elihu believes.
It is for the reason stated, else why did Job call himself vile, and abhorred himself, and repented in dust and ashes.

You have put Job on a pedestal that he does not belong on.




3. Job 36:16,17 (Elihu speaking directly to Job)

“Indeed He would have brought you out of dire distress,
Into a broad place where there is no restraint;
And what is set on your table would be full of richness.
But you are filled with the judgment due the wicked;
Judgment and justice take hold of you."

Elihu is clearly declaring that Job is suffering because he is being judged for his wickedness. This as we know is blatantly false.

Do not be deceived by Elihu. Do not be seduced either into thinking he thinks differently than the 3 friends, despite how he phrases it. What makes Elihu even worse is that he not only has the same opinion about Job as his 3 friends, but Elihu is also sadistic about it.
Elihu's words are not false, they are God's words and the scripture says so.

Logic should tell you that God did not give six chapters of this book to a liar.
 
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Elihu was sent by God and is speaking in God''s place.
Oh ok, so when Elihu said it was his opinion, it really wasn't his opinion but the one who sent him.
Therefore I said, Hearken to me; I also will shew mine opinion. Job 32:10
I said, I will answer also my part, I also will shew mine opinion. Job 32:17


Well, let's see who is the one who spoke words without knowledge, the LORD asked him where he was when he laid the foundations of the earth if he had understanding. You can answer for him if you want since Elihu had said "there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding." Job 32:-8 Now Job had said that those present were all forgers of lies that if they would hold their peace and it should be your wisdom.

Elihu said "Let men of understanding tell me, and let a wise man hearken unto me. Job hath spoken without knowledge, and his words were without wisdom.

So where were you when the LORD set the bow in the cloud?
 
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Oh ok, so when Elihu said it was his opinion, it really wasn't his opinion but the one who sent him.
Therefore I said, Hearken to me; I also will shew mine opinion. Job 32:10
I said, I will answer also my part, I also will shew mine opinion. Job 32:17
If you compare the following two verses with your verses, you will find that opinion and knowledge are derived from the same Hebrew word. Elihu is saying his opinion, or knowledge if you will, is coming from God.

Job 36:3 I will fetch my knowledge H1843 from afar, and will ascribe righteousness to my Maker.
Job 37:16 Dost thou know the balancings of the clouds, the wondrous works of him which is perfect in knowledge? H1843



Well, let's see who is the one who spoke words without knowledge, the LORD asked him where he was when he laid the foundations of the earth if he had understanding. You can answer for him if you want since Elihu had said "there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding." Job 32:-8 Now Job had said that those present were all forgers of lies that if they would hold their peace and it should be your wisdom.
Elihu said "Let men of understanding tell me, and let a wise man hearken unto me. Job hath spoken without knowledge, and his words were without wisdom.

So where were you when the LORD set the bow in the cloud?
Not sure of what you are saying here. If you are implying that God is speaking to Elihu when God said, Job 38:2 "Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?" then you are wrong. God clearly states that God is speaking to Job in the first verse.