reneweddaybyday said:
Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
See thats your problem, you not understanding the things of God, interpret Paul here as saying mans act of faith is counted as righteousness. So you believe the unregenerate sinner, dead in sin, in the flesh, has a faith righteousness that justified them before God. So you believe man is Justified by his own righteousness which is heresy !
brightfame52, you continuously misrepresent what I tell you I believe.
Here is what I said:
Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
The word "believeth" is also in the present tense.
The verse states that the person believes on Him [God] who justifies the ungodly. The person knows he/she is ungodly and yet believes in the God Who justifies him/her and his/her faith is counted for righteousness.
Mankind is wholly undeserving of God's mercy, grace, lovingkindness. We all know this. And yet, God, in His great mercy, grace, lovingkindness justifies that undeserving person when he/she believes on Him [God]who justifies the ungodly
God is the One Who justifies. God sees the faith of the person who believes in Him and God imputes righteousness on that person. That is not me justifying myself. I know I am wholly undeserving. I know I am ungodly. However, I believe Him Who promised. That you have a problem with God imputing righteousness to those who believe is something you are going to have to straighten out with God. Let Him work in your heart to reveal to you how and why salvation is by grace through faith and how and why faith is not works.
brightfame52 said:
The difference between you and I, my Faith sees Christ as my righteousness, having been imputed, you see your faith counted to you as righteousness, big difference.
Again, you telling me what I believe is not the same as what I actually believe, no matter how often nor how vociferously you repeat your lies.
You see everything through the lens of your erroneous dogma so you cannot even fathom what I believe ... no matter how many times I explain.
God is the One Who imputes righteousness.
Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Your problem is you believe faith = works and Scripture is quite clear that faith ≠ works. You have even gone so far as to erroneously state that the Lord Jesus Christ "specifically Identifies Faith as ... Law". What a crock!!!
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