Why are Christians such phonies?

[saintrose]

I've been a Christian for a long time and I saw such terrible things; my eyes have been opened to just how sick the church as a whole is. My husband pulled us out of a church and put us into a church I did not like. I had been warned about the family that owned the church and the warning turned out to be true. The youth pastor was corrupt and cheated a family member in a big way. It really hurt but then they were caught doing something corrupt and their names were splashed across the newspapers - countrywide. They hurt a lot of people and then they went to a fair day the town held and set up their booth trying to draw new victims into their church. They were so blatant about it. I actually think they were stealing from the church.

Then we went to another church and the leadership was terrible. They told me that "God" put them in their positions and what they said was it. I was shocked at such overt pride. Then I was injured and we stopped attending the church we went to for 10 years. The pastor stopped taking my calls and I saw that I guess if you're not supporting the church you don't get his time.

Then a friend who I had looked up to never came to visit when I was injured, never sent a card, nothing. But she did that for all the people in her church and I saw that she was a respecter of persons. She and her husband are snooty.

Then I've been on a few other forums and the people are downright demonic. I saw that it's all a lie. Once in awhile you meet someone who is upright but many of the so-called "Christians" are total jerks or psychopaths. One guy got angry whenever I posted a thread and he would jump on immediately and attack me. My husband said he's got something wrong with him. It got so bad I had to threaten him with contacting the police because he was making me feel unsafe.

I'm just really disillusioned with christianity. It all seems like a lie.

 

[Dino246]

It sounds like you've been through the wringer with churches. That's no fun; I have been part of a few unhealthy ones as well, so I can relate somewhat.

Please be assured, none of us are perfect, and some really are worse than others, but there are also genuine Christians whose lives bear the fruit of the Holy Spirit. We aren't all evil.

Ultimately though, Christianity is not defined by its adherents, but by it Author, Jesus Christ... no matter how much His followers fail to look like Him.

 

[DWR]

Please understand that many if not most who say they are Christian have no idea what it means to be a Christian.
Lots of lost people claiming to be what they are not.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Why are Christians such phonies?

I'm sure you've heard the saying "One rotten apple spoils the whole barrel".

The best course of action is to focus on yourself. and your own consistency (or inconsistencies). God and Christ will judge everyone with a righteous judgment.

 

[Truth7t7]

but there are also genuine Christians whose lives bear the fruit of the Holy Spirit. We aren't all evil.

 

[Tararose]

I am really sorry for what you have experienced. I can second the fact that there seem to be a lot of “tares amount the wheat”, but there are genuine believers in the mix too I assure you. Take heart, there will be no confusion on judgement day. The main thing is keeping our hearts right and living for God no matter what, and forgiving those who hurt us - whatever they call themselves. Don’t quit on God or the real believers though, Christ knows it’s hard work and is so patient with us all thankfully, we can be the shining light in the darkness and maybe others will be encouraged to follow our example x Praying for real believers to encourage you this week. Bless you

 

[GraceAndTruth]

Because some ARE phonies. They ask troll questions. Questions that might look like one is seeking information but are actulaly back-handed insult to Christian community.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

I've been a Christian for a long time and I saw such terrible things; my eyes have been opened to just how sick the church as a whole is. My husband pulled us out of a church and put us into a church I did not like. I had been warned about the family that owned the church and the warning turned out to be true. The youth pastor was corrupt and cheated a family member in a big way. It really hurt but then they were caught doing something corrupt and their names were splashed across the newspapers - countrywide. They hurt a lot of people and then they went to a fair day the town held and set up their booth trying to draw new victims into their church. They were so blatant about it. I actually think they were stealing from the church.

Then we went to another church and the leadership was terrible. They told me that "God" put them in their positions and what they said was it. I was shocked at such overt pride. Then I was injured and we stopped attending the church we went to for 10 years. The pastor stopped taking my calls and I saw that I guess if you're not supporting the church you don't get his time.

Then a friend who I had looked up to never came to visit when I was injured, never sent a card, nothing. But she did that for all the people in her church and I saw that she was a respecter of persons. She and her husband are snooty.

Then I've been on a few other forums and the people are downright demonic. I saw that it's all a lie. Once in awhile you meet someone who is upright but many of the so-called "Christians" are total jerks or psychopaths. One guy got angry whenever I posted a thread and he would jump on immediately and attack me. My husband said he's got something wrong with him. It got so bad I had to threaten him with contacting the police because he was making me feel unsafe.

I'm just really disillusioned with christianity. It all seems like a lie.

A religion is judged based on it's Holy book, books, or doctrines. If you murder in a holy war, committing jihad, then does that make Islam evil? Well it depends if the followers of Islam's Quran, Hadiths and Muhammad's biography call for jihad on infidels. If they do not then you can say it is the people who pervert the true text and interpretation.

The Bible tells us not to steal or deal falsely. So when fraud in the church occurs. Should you blame God or the people? When adultery happens in the church. Blame God or the people? Bible speaks on marriage as a covenant or life commitment.

There are plenty of Christians or Christian supporters but very few Christ-followers in comparison.

Christians as Sunday worshippers may not carry the teaching over into their lives. Christian supporters may support the morality and teachings but not necessarily want to give their life to God.

Christ-followers are those who actually live out their faith and God's Word. They listen to the Spirit and you will see the fruit of the Spirit. Of course, this doesn't negate sin, but you will see a difference compared to the other two or an unbeliever.

 

[Bleed]

i'm a non-churchgoer Christian.
it works out for me.
just reading and even taking walks fills me with the Spirit.
would you ever feel comfortable trying that?

 

[laughingheart]

The truth is that Christians, people of faith in Christ, are not phonies. There are many people who use the name but real people of faith in Christ are marked with humility, kindness, gentleness, honesty, hospitality, and more. The are self-disciplined, merciful, pursue justice, and have a deep joy that has also walked through deep sorrows. The people you describe sound dishonest, prideful, unkind and uncaring. Their behaviour falls under the category of things that God detests. The humble do not demand their rights over the needs of others, or ignore protecting the poor or the ill.
Be wise and discerning. Just because someone claims something doesn't make it true.

 

[JaumeJ]

I've been a Christian for a long time and I saw such terrible things; my eyes have been opened to just how sick the church as a whole is. My husband pulled us out of a church and put us into a church I did not like. I had been warned about the family that owned the church and the warning turned out to be true. The youth pastor was corrupt and cheated a family member in a big way. It really hurt but then they were caught doing something corrupt and their names were splashed across the newspapers - countrywide. They hurt a lot of people and then they went to a fair day the town held and set up their booth trying to draw new victims into their church. They were so blatant about it. I actually think they were stealing from the church.

Then we went to another church and the leadership was terrible. They told me that "God" put them in their positions and what they said was it. I was shocked at such overt pride. Then I was injured and we stopped attending the church we went to for 10 years. The pastor stopped taking my calls and I saw that I guess if you're not supporting the church you don't get his time.

Then a friend who I had looked up to never came to visit when I was injured, never sent a card, nothing. But she did that for all the people in her church and I saw that she was a respecter of persons. She and her husband are snooty.

Then I've been on a few other forums and the people are downright demonic. I saw that it's all a lie. Once in awhile you meet someone who is upright but many of the so-called "Christians" are total jerks or psychopaths. One guy got angry whenever I posted a thread and he would jump on immediately and attack me. My husband said he's got something wrong with him. It got so bad I had to threaten him with contacting the police because he was making me feel unsafe.

I'm just really disillusioned with christianity. It all seems like a lie.

Do not let others turn you away from our Lord and Savior.

Keep looking to Him and Him only. Do not blame Him for what flesh does.

Remember, the world loves its own but hates you and all who believe, jusst as it hated Jesus.

 

[Subhumanoidal]

@saintrose
I totally get what you mean. I think of some things that happened during my 30 years of being a Christian that definitely made me feel disconnected from other Christians.

When I stopped being a Christian there were some that didn't get all weird towards me and even tried to help. But I did get a lot of heat for it. I was verbally attacked, lied about, falsely accused, etc... all by Christians that thought of me as an enemy. This is actually the first time in a while I've posted that on here as it usually ends up badly for me.

 

[Ruby123]

I have found it hard to find a good church too. The last church I went to was for a period of about three or so years. About two years of attending the pastor one day was asking me why I had moved from the country up to the city. I briefly explained to him why and got quite emotional in the middle of it as I moved due to family circumstances that were not pleasant at the time. He just dismissed my upset and started talking to other people nearby as though nothing happened. He was actually laughing and joking with them in the middle of my upset. I felt so angry.

After that as well as seven or so other incidences with the pastor I just left and never went back. Now I just get my teaching from certain people of YouTube.

 

[mustaphadrink]

I have been a believer for 66 years and I think I have seen everything in that time. I started out in a little country Baptist Church and loved it as they became a second family to me (I was fatherless). My next two churches were Baptist, the first was mediocre but the second was great. From there I went to a Brethren Bible College for two years. When I got back from my studies everything had changed and a new pastor who was not interested in what I had to offer. After being fully involved before I went and doing nothing when I came back became boring, I took the advice of one of my mentors who suggested I checked out a Charismatic Brethren Church about 100 miles away.

I investigated them and it was quite revolutionary. There was no them and us mentality. Everyone was welcome to share anything that the Lord had given them for the meeting in true Brethren fashion with the addition of the supernatural. I stayed there for a year and then moved to the HQ of the movement because I met my wife through the church and we stayed there for 10 years with me running the men's ministry, being chosen to organize and direct their annual conference, heading up one of the midweek home fellowships and because I had a job that took me all over the country for a while, I visited satellite churches if there was one in the town I was staying.

After 10 years, my wife who was Australian wanted to return home so we set sail for the Great Southland of the Holy Spirit along with our two kids. We spent six weeks in America on the way over where we found the American people so welcoming and friendly. We got invited to everything and were not asked to pay for anything.

After 10 years at Chard, the Australian church was an eye-opener. Whatever church we went to and we tried several the general consensus was the pastor was king and nothing was done unless it had his approval. And you could not do anything unless you did it the way he wanted it done. There was no freedom to hear from the Lord at all.

On a few occasions, I did hear from the Lord and acted accordingly but was told that was the Pastor's job. However, in one church where I taught how to produce media for the church, and where they did believe in the supernatural, I was given four prophesies by four different men in four different meetings in four different places that God was gifting me with the gift of teaching. This was interesting because I had been to university for six years and amongst three degrees I gained a teaching degree and ended up teaching senior students to fill my days before retirement.

This took me to country schools where I was offered a job before I left university. Despite this, I was not allowed to do any teaching in the church because I was not ordained by the denomination and had not been to their bible college. Obviously a Dip. Theology and three university degrees and the anointing from God were insufficient to qualify me in the church.

However, it was good for me because I became an avid student of the Word and any books I could lay my hands on. That is why I have over 1,000 books in my personal library. In time I got fed up with having to listen to little homilies that were full of discrepancies and devoid of anything serious and challenging from so-called Pastors who had no ability to exegete the Word. I ended up writing a thesis for a Ph.D.

On a couple of occasions, I raised issues to point out the discrepancies, and on the first one, everything I said would go wrong did and on the second I was kicked out of the church because I dared challenge the so-called leadership, a woman who was younger than my daughter.

In another church which I was one of the founding members of, I was sidelined after 12 months because when the time came around to sign the pledge, I said I could not because there was one doctrine I was not sure of as I was still working through it. That was sacrilege so I was deprived of all ministry despite what I was doing was well received. The pastor at this church told us that God had said he was going to double the congregation every year. So that meant it should be welcoming 50,000 people each Sunday now. Its average congregation is 50.

After that, I gave up the church as a waste of time as all they wanted to do was flog a dead horse. It was as the saying goes that only an idiot does the same thing every week and expects a different outcome. The first situation above when we joined the church there were about 130 people coming to meetings. After a few changes of leadership, they are now down to about 30 and are content to let the church die slowly.

These days my church is a group of men who meet on a Friday for fellowship, food and fun and we get on like a house on fire because we don't consider anyone better than anyone else. We are all one in Christ.

So what is the moral of my story? It is just this. Unless you find a church that allows the Holy Spirit to run things, you will be stuck in a rut having to do as you told by the "bosses" and do things their way. To be led by the Spirit is an unknown experience as the Spirit only talks to the Pastor so all you need do is to sit on the premises and forget about standing on the promises.

So I can sympathize with the OP because it is obvious that the church, in general, is beset with power plays and authority figures that are more interested in their ministry than the ministry of others.

 

[stepbystep]

Please understand that many if not most who say they are Christian have no idea what it means to be a Christian.
Lots of lost people claiming to be what they are not.

Very close to what I was thinking when I read the 1st Post. There are untold numbers of people in the US, and in the world who claim to be Christians that are not. Some do so from ignorance of what it means to be a Christian, and what it takes to become a Christian. Some do it for personal gain, and there are more than a few of these on the Sunday morning TV Shows I believe.

I know a lot of people who claim to be a Christian because one or more of their parents or grandparents were Christian. They think that because they went to church from time to time that they are Christians; never realizing that they remain lost regardless of their Attendance Record at Church.

The number of true believers compared to the number of those who claim to be Christians is a very small percentage I believe.

When I read, or hear of some church or people acting like those in the 1st comment, I wonder why people believe the wrong doers are Christian? Because they claim to be?

 

[Lanolin]

theres christians and then theres phony christians who hang out in churches, like wolves in sheeps clothing who fleece the flock, and Ive seen this happen to many churches, sadly its very common.

I think they way that a lot of churches are organised somehow allow this to happen.
How can the holy spirit move in churches when the pastors main concern is paying his bills or his retirement and everyone else is asked to pay his bills and contribute to a church mortgage.

I mean gentrification happens with churches too, they become old and stale, and too expensive for everyone else.

 

[saintrose]

It sounds like you've been through the wringer with churches. That's no fun; I have been part of a few unhealthy ones as well, so I can relate somewhat.

Please be assured, none of us are perfect, and some really are worse than others, but there are also genuine Christians whose lives bear the fruit of the Holy Spirit. We aren't all evil.

Ultimately though, Christianity is not defined by its adherents, but by it Author, Jesus Christ... no matter how much His followers fail to look like Him.

I haven't found much of a difference between Christians and the world. In fact in some cases they're worse.

 

[saintrose]

Please understand that many if not most who say they are Christian have no idea what it means to be a Christian.
Lots of lost people claiming to be what they are not.

I know that Christ said there are those who He'll say "depart from me I never knew you." Still, it's disillusioning to see such blatant sin in churches.

 

[saintrose]

Because some ARE phonies. They ask troll questions. Questions that might look like one is seeking information but are actulaly back-handed insult to Christian community.

Well now I have another...dare I say "Christian" trying to call me a troll and claim I'm unsaved.

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[saintrose]

A religion is judged based on it's Holy book, books, or doctrines. If you murder in a holy war, committing jihad, then does that make Islam evil? Well it depends if the followers of Islam's Quran, Hadiths and Muhammad's biography call for jihad on infidels. If they do not then you can say it is the people who pervert the true text and interpretation.

The Bible tells us not to steal or deal falsely. So when fraud in the church occurs. Should you blame God or the people? When adultery happens in the church. Blame God or the people? Bible speaks on marriage as a covenant or life commitment.

There are plenty of Christians or Christian supporters but very few Christ-followers in comparison.

Christians as Sunday worshippers may not carry the teaching over into their lives. Christian supporters may support the morality and teachings but not necessarily want to give their life to God.

Christ-followers are those who actually live out their faith and God's Word. They listen to the Spirit and you will see the fruit of the Spirit. Of course, this doesn't negate sin, but you will see a difference compared to the other two or an unbeliever.

Yes I wonder if this is the great falling away.