Why is dispensationalism seen as a heresy?
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Not being formally edumacated, I didn't know what all the titles and labels surrounding Scripture were til I joined here. Calvinism, Arminianism, TULIP, and many others
But your post is pretty close to what I believe.
I don't understand how reformed take the Bible literally around issues like eternal security, but not when it comes to prophecy.
Is there a hybrid label. Lol. That's what I am.
But your post is pretty close to what I believe.
I don't understand how reformed take the Bible literally around issues like eternal security, but not when it comes to prophecy.
Is there a hybrid label. Lol. That's what I am.
I think that too many hyperdispensationalist have predicted the end of the world, based on these signs...A, B, C.....!
When all these supposed prophecies failed, I began to look at what the Bible had to say about it. That is when I concluded, for so many reasons that dispensationalism is defunct! It's limited time has passed, just a few more to wake up and realize that it doesn't work.
Where dispensationalism touches on soteriology, I would say it is a heresy. Where it touches on eschatology, I would say it is just a wrong view of end times. Well, and the rest of the Bible and how we read it.
I looked up the Greek! I know Nehemiah6 did also, but somehow he always manages to skip over the Greek, and end up landing on the KJV, which is in error, for sure, this time.
I like the word "administration"
" toward the administration of the fullness of the times, to head up all things in Christ—the things in heaven and the things on earth." Eph. 1:10 NET
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As for the Greek:
[/FONT][FONT="]"[/FONT]εἰς οἰκονομίαν τοῦ πληρώματος τῶν καιρῶν, ἀνακεφαλαιώσασθαι τὰ πάντα ἐν τῷ Χριστῷ, τὰ ἐπὶ τοῖς οὐρανοῖς καὶ τὰ ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς· ἐν αὐτῷ," Eph. 1:10 SBL
οἰκονομίαν means "household management, administration" the little word οἰκος at the beginning of the word means "house, dwelling place"
BDAG says "responsibility of management, management of a household" as its first definition, but it places Eph. 1:10 under the second definition, b:
2. "state of being arranged, state of order, plan" and then specifically under b.
b. Of God's unique plan, private plan, plan of salvation, i.e. arrangements for redemption of humans
And before we all start using our favourite BDAG definition, it notes that "this is a linguistically difficult passage, and it certainly refers to the plan of salvation which God is bringing to reality through Christ, in the fullness of times.
So, I simply do not see the word "dispensation" which Strong's has an alternative possible word. And of course, because Strong's is a concordance, not a lexicon, it uses KJV as its starting point, it is obligated to put in the KJV word, even if it is not the right word!
Of course, the real emphasis here, not to lose sight of it, is:
"God had the plan of salvation from the beginning, and in the fullness of times, with Christ as head of all things, in heaven and on earth."
Of course, even in context of the verses, dispensation makes no sense, since it has only to do with the times of the earth. Whereas the verse is also talking about heaven!
When all these supposed prophecies failed, I began to look at what the Bible had to say about it. That is when I concluded, for so many reasons that dispensationalism is defunct! It's limited time has passed, just a few more to wake up and realize that it doesn't work.
Where dispensationalism touches on soteriology, I would say it is a heresy. Where it touches on eschatology, I would say it is just a wrong view of end times. Well, and the rest of the Bible and how we read it.
I looked up the Greek! I know Nehemiah6 did also, but somehow he always manages to skip over the Greek, and end up landing on the KJV, which is in error, for sure, this time.
I like the word "administration"
" toward the administration of the fullness of the times, to head up all things in Christ—the things in heaven and the things on earth." Eph. 1:10 NET
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As for the Greek:
[/FONT][FONT="]"[/FONT]εἰς οἰκονομίαν τοῦ πληρώματος τῶν καιρῶν, ἀνακεφαλαιώσασθαι τὰ πάντα ἐν τῷ Χριστῷ, τὰ ἐπὶ τοῖς οὐρανοῖς καὶ τὰ ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς· ἐν αὐτῷ," Eph. 1:10 SBL
οἰκονομίαν means "household management, administration" the little word οἰκος at the beginning of the word means "house, dwelling place"
BDAG says "responsibility of management, management of a household" as its first definition, but it places Eph. 1:10 under the second definition, b:
2. "state of being arranged, state of order, plan" and then specifically under b.
b. Of God's unique plan, private plan, plan of salvation, i.e. arrangements for redemption of humans
And before we all start using our favourite BDAG definition, it notes that "this is a linguistically difficult passage, and it certainly refers to the plan of salvation which God is bringing to reality through Christ, in the fullness of times.
So, I simply do not see the word "dispensation" which Strong's has an alternative possible word. And of course, because Strong's is a concordance, not a lexicon, it uses KJV as its starting point, it is obligated to put in the KJV word, even if it is not the right word!
Of course, the real emphasis here, not to lose sight of it, is:
"God had the plan of salvation from the beginning, and in the fullness of times, with Christ as head of all things, in heaven and on earth."
Of course, even in context of the verses, dispensation makes no sense, since it has only to do with the times of the earth. Whereas the verse is also talking about heaven!
Really
c 4000 BC - c 2348 BC -- Antediluvian period (before Noah s Flood)
c 2348 BC - c 2000 BC -- Noahic Covenant
c 2000 BC - c 1500 BC -- Abrahamic Covenant
c 1500 BC to AD 30 -- Mosaic Covenant ratified with th blood of animals
c AD 30 to present -- the New Covenant ratified with the blood of Christ
So if God does not work differently in different periods of time, then these distinctions should not exist. But since they do, the anti-Dispensationalists can only resort to prejudice and propaganda.
Whether you call it oikonomia, a stewardship, an administration, an economy, or a dispensation, it makes absolutely no difference. So once again, it is PURE PREJUDICE that causes people to start nit-picking.
c 4000 BC - c 2348 BC -- Antediluvian period (before Noah s Flood)
c 2348 BC - c 2000 BC -- Noahic Covenant
c 2000 BC - c 1500 BC -- Abrahamic Covenant
c 1500 BC to AD 30 -- Mosaic Covenant ratified with th blood of animals
c AD 30 to present -- the New Covenant ratified with the blood of Christ
So if God does not work differently in different periods of time, then these distinctions should not exist. But since they do, the anti-Dispensationalists can only resort to prejudice and propaganda.
Whether you call it oikonomia, a stewardship, an administration, an economy, or a dispensation, it makes absolutely no difference. So once again, it is PURE PREJUDICE that causes people to start nit-picking.
Who says that *since it has only to do with the times of the earth* Certainly not Dispensationalists. They recognize that *the dispensation of the fulness of times* is God s ultimate Dispensation, and includes both Heaven and earth.
So once again we see that most anti-Dispensationalists do not even know what Dispensationalism teaches, yet they rant and rave about how *heretical* it is. Shame on all Christians who do not judge righteously and promote prejudice.
So once again we see that most anti-Dispensationalists do not even know what Dispensationalism teaches, yet they rant and rave about how *heretical* it is. Shame on all Christians who do not judge righteously and promote prejudice.
So the question arises for those anti=dispensationists:
How did people receive eternal salvation throughout these different time periods? What did they have to do in order to be "saved"? How was the blood of Jesus applied throughout these different time periods? By believing in the death, burial and resurrection? By believing and doing what God gave them at that time?
How did people receive eternal salvation throughout these different time periods? What did they have to do in order to be "saved"? How was the blood of Jesus applied throughout these different time periods? By believing in the death, burial and resurrection? By believing and doing what God gave them at that time?
Shame! Shame! Context - it applies even for the things normal people write!
I quite clearly stated that the predictions of the end of the world, based on these signs...A, B, C.... were the prophecies. You know, blood moons, the European Market when it gets to 10 nations, Israel as a nation in 1948, and then a generation of 40 years, etc, etc.
Of course God's prophecies do not fail! How ridiculous of you to twist my words in such an evil way! It is the dispensationalist scare tactics, that certain signs, which I labeled A, B and C, because, let's face it, there are so many failed dispensational predictions of the end of the world, naming them all would take too much time!
Or perhaps you don't know how to read, in which case, I apologize for calling you out, when you so totally misinterpreted my words!
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Ok you got me there ( I would not call them prophesies so did not put two and two together)
But it is still sad. A FEW, who I would not even classify as real dispensationalists (the Bible says NO MAN KNOWS WHEN CHRIST WILL RETURN) but I would call wacko's make claims Christ will return on some day ( I would not even call them prophesies) So you slam all dispensationalists.
A few people think we can say a sinners prayer, and live however we want and be saved. So because there are a few wackos. People slam all people who preach salvation by grace alone.
To slam a whole group of people because of a few is just not right, no matter what doctrine people are fighting against
But it is still sad. A FEW, who I would not even classify as real dispensationalists (the Bible says NO MAN KNOWS WHEN CHRIST WILL RETURN) but I would call wacko's make claims Christ will return on some day ( I would not even call them prophesies) So you slam all dispensationalists.
A few people think we can say a sinners prayer, and live however we want and be saved. So because there are a few wackos. People slam all people who preach salvation by grace alone.
To slam a whole group of people because of a few is just not right, no matter what doctrine people are fighting against
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people slam all people who preach salvation by grace alone?
what are you trying to say here?
I don't see where anyone slammed all dispensationalists
the word hyper was inserted before dispensationalists just like we have the hyper gracers
it is taking a truth and driving it past the limit of its intended boundairies
what are you trying to say here?
I don't see where anyone slammed all dispensationalists
the word hyper was inserted before dispensationalists just like we have the hyper gracers
it is taking a truth and driving it past the limit of its intended boundairies
