Why is this not being taught in Church?

[eternally-gratefull]

With the message of the kingdom, not the message of eternal salvation through the cross. Nowhere did they teach Paul’s gospel before the cross.

i am sorry, I refuse to even respond on this anymore, anyone who truly studies would know grace has been gods means of salvation from day one.
paul took gods message to the gentiles, he did not teach a different message, he taught the same Christ Jesus

 

[garee]

With the message of the kingdom, not the message of eternal salvation through the cross. Nowhere did they teach Paul’s gospel before the cross.

The gospel was preached through the hearing of faith using the ceremonial laws . As a shadow they pointed ahead to the cross. the glory that followed . Paul was expanding it . John wrote the last chapter . ..Revelation .

We look back to that glorious time, a lively hope they looked ahead. One gospel one hope.

1 Peter 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

 

[posthuman]

Jesus as the Son of man was born in into earthen body a corrupted flesh and blood (no power from the flesh ) Power from the Spirit of holiness.

no, dude - He was not born of corrupted flesh. He was born of a virgin, not of the seed of man. it's the seed of man that transmits corruption in the flesh 'in Adam all die' -- a foetus receives no blood from its mother, and the life is in the blood.
He is perfect man, and perfect God, in one, the great mystery of godliness. He was bodily resurrected, and this proves something very important which challenges gnosticism.

Why do you think he said in John 6 Jesus said his flesh profits for nothing other than a one time demonstration of the unseen work of Him and the father. It is the unseen Spirit that does do the unseen work to those who do walk by faith, the unseen eternal. .

because the flesh doesn't profit us -- but still we will also be bodily raised just as He was, and we will be transformed to become like Him. we will be changed, and we will still have bodies. it was no mistake that God created Adam, a body manifesting the soul that pilots it. and it was no mistake Christ came in the same form, adding perfect humanity to Himself.
just because the flesh profits nothing doesn't mean Christ's flesh was corrupted. He was sinless, and He was born in the flesh: if His flesh was corrupted, He would not be sinless. He had to be born of a virgin, not of men, to be the true Son of Man, breaking down the hostility between the flesh & the spirit.

 

[posthuman]

With the message of the kingdom, not the message of eternal salvation through the cross. Nowhere did they teach Paul’s gospel before the cross.

that's just not true, dude

Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”​

Jesus said to her, “I AM The Resurrection and The Life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”​

(John 11:24-26)​

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there it is, right there. the very same gospel all the apostles proclaimed; the only gospel. the kingdom of heaven is the kingdom of God.

 

[posthuman]

i am sorry, I refuse to even respond on this anymore, anyone who truly studies would know grace has been gods means of salvation from day one.
paul took gods message to the gentiles, he did not teach a different message, he taught the same Christ Jesus

and here it is in ancient times, too:

So David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the LORD.” ​

And Nathan said to David, “The LORD also has put away your sin; you shall not die."​

(2 Samuel 12:13) ​

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there was no sacrifice in the law that took away sin; it only covered it with blood.
there was no sacrifice in the law for murder nor any for adultery, only the penalty of death.
the firstborn son of David suffered for David's sin, and David's sin was removed, that David might have life.
David knew that he would go to him.

 

[presidente]

It would seem you keep forgetting God is not a man as us. God is Spirit. God is light. God is Truth. God has no DNA

You will not find it if you close your eyes to the context. Scriptures informs us it must be sinful (corrupted ) A theophany like that of Melchedik, a vision . . .no literal corrupted flesh and blood would not, could work for the one time demonstration needed to perform what the letter of the law which kills could not do. Which the law of faith did . Making the two laws (seen and unseen) one perfect law. performed by the perfect Son of man Jesus seen. . . working with unseen God signified as a Father. Completing the government of God the government of peace as that which establishes the church . Two working as one.

Di you believe Christ came in the flesh? Do you think Jesus was a theophany?

 

[posthuman]

How would we reckon flesh and blood could have a good effect?

it was in the flesh that He died for us

 

[posthuman]

Like for instance calling the Son of man Jesus in respect to what the eyes see as Good Master? Good a word used throughout the bible reserved for the unseen approval. . .Like for instance; "Let there be the light of God's glory. . And it was good".

like for instance when He calls Himself the "good" Shepherd?

Matthew 19:16-18 King James Version (KJV) And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

Christ is telling this unbelieving man who thinks Jesus is only a wise rabbi that He is in fact God manifest in the flesh.
Christ is not telling him that life and righteousness is by the law, and He is certainly not telling him that He Himself is not good. He's asking him why he calls Him good since he doesn't believe who He is? it's a demonstration to this unbelieving liar who sought to inherit life by works that he doesn't know Who it is he's speaking to.

 

[John146]

i am sorry, I refuse to even respond on this anymore, anyone who truly studies would know grace has been gods means of salvation from day one.
paul took gods message to the gentiles, he did not teach a different message, he taught the same Christ Jesus

Then please post the passages where the disciples preached grace through the d,b,r for sins before the cross. You know it’s not there, and yet you claim they preached the same message. That’s just not so.

The message is what counts. The words of the message matters.

 

[John146]

The gospel was preached through the hearing of faith using the ceremonial laws . As a shadow they pointed ahead to the cross. the glory that followed . Paul was expanding it . John wrote the last chapter . ..Revelation .

We look back to that glorious time, a lively hope they looked ahead. One gospel one hope.

1 Peter 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

Wait, verse 12.

12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

 

[John146]

that's just not true, dude

Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”​

Jesus said to her, “I AM The Resurrection and The Life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”​

(John 11:24-26)​

​

there it is, right there. the very same gospel all the apostles proclaimed; the only gospel. the kingdom of heaven is the kingdom of God.

That’s not His resurrection of the cross. Where’s the cross in this passage? How come His own disciples had no clue of the cross? They didn’t understand the resurrection of the dead. They thought the resurrection was an idle tale.

 

[John146]

and here it is in ancient times, too:

So David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the LORD.” ​

And Nathan said to David, “The LORD also has put away your sin; you shall not die."​

(2 Samuel 12:13) ​

​

there was no sacrifice in the law that took away sin; it only covered it with blood.
there was no sacrifice in the law for murder nor any for adultery, only the penalty of death.
the firstborn son of David suffered for David's sin, and David's sin was removed, that David might have life.
David knew that he would go to him.

David was an exception. Scripture calls it the sure mercies of David. David had no clue of the cross of Jesus.

 

[John146]

that's just not true, dude

Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”​

Jesus said to her, “I AM The Resurrection and The Life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”​

(John 11:24-26)​

​

there it is, right there. the very same gospel all the apostles proclaimed; the only gospel. the kingdom of heaven is the kingdom of God.

Heaven is a place, God is a spirit. God created the heaven. Simple reading is clear that they’re not the same.

 

[garee]

like for instance when He calls Himself the "good" Shepherd?



Christ is telling this unbelieving man who thinks Jesus is only a wise rabbi that He is in fact God manifest in the flesh.
Christ is not telling him that life and righteousness is by the law, and He is certainly not telling him that He Himself is not good. He's asking him why he calls Him good since he doesn't believe who He is? it's a demonstration to this unbelieving liar who sought to inherit life by works that he doesn't know Who it is he's speaking to.

He thought he knew. Saw all the miracles shred bread with the five thousand tasted of the good things to come And called him Good Master a name reserved for God not seen.

Yes, Jesus was a good Shepard having the Good Master working in him to both will and do the good pleasure of God. Call no man Good Master on earth one is our Father in heaven . Not sure of any shepherds in the new order.

The answer. . . but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. It was to follow Jesus to whom the father spoke through obeying the will of the unseen father that was in Jesus called "walking by faith". Therefore increasing our teaching how to walk by faith the unseen eternal. Hiding the spiritual meaning in the parables

But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.Mathew 23:8-10

Whenever like in the example below Christ would reveal the gospel understanding of faith that worked in them again teaching them to walk by faith .Their response was "increase that faith" that works with us

Luke 17:4-6 King James Version (KJV) And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him. And the apostles said unto the Lord, Increase our faith. And the Lord said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you.

 

[Dino246]

Please point out where you see this adding?

I already did!

Here are your words from post #27 in this thread: "Even the Son of man said his corrupted flesh profits for nothing."

Here is part of your post #44, where you quote Jesus' words as recorded by John:

"John 6 :63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."

Finally, here are my words from post #47 of this thread: "Is the word "corrupted" in that verse? Anywhere? NO! "

 

[garee]

Di you believe Christ came in the flesh? Do you think Jesus was a theophany?

Yes, Christ the anointing Holy Spirit of God came in the flesh for a one time demonstration of the unseen work of the father pouring out spirit life on the corrupted flesh . Some turn that upside down as if flesh was poured out on spirit.

Romans 8 King James Version (KJV There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

 

[Dino246]

What God calls one, the father of lies, the counterfeiter separates.

There is a eternity of deference between the phrases. "Son of man" and "Son of God"

You just called yourself the father of lies.

Jesus the Son of Man and Jesus the Son of God are one and the same. There aren't two of them.

Matthew 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Matthew 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels

Matthew 17:9 Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.

Matthew 20:28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;

Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

John 1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

 

[garee]

I already did!

Here are your words from post #27 in this thread: "Even the Son of man said his corrupted flesh profits for nothing."

Here is part of your post #44, where you quote Jesus' words as recorded by John:

"John 6 :63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."

Finally, here are my words from post #47 of this thread: "Is the word "corrupted" in that verse? Anywhere? NO! "

It was corrupted I did not add any thing just a different paraphrase

The easy read version paraphrases it.

John 6:63 It is the Spirit that gives life. The body is of no value for that.

or the Voice

John 6:63 The Spirit brings life. The flesh has nothing to offer.

The Message translates it

John 6:63 What gives life is God's Spirit; human power is of no use at all.

How do you paraphrase the section in John 6 ? The flesh did profit? The Spirit profits for nothing? Can't serve two masters. The things seen of men the temporal and the things of God not seen the eternal .

Which Master will you serve? I chose the incorruptible Spirit that dwells in us. The same one Jesus claimed.

1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

 

[Dino246]

It was corrupted I did not add any thing just a different paraphrase

The easy read version paraphrases it.

John 6:63 It is the Spirit that gives life. The body is of no value for that.

or the Voice

John 6:63 The Spirit brings life. The flesh has nothing to offer.

The Message translates it

John 6:63 What gives life is God's Spirit; human power is of no use at all.

NONE of those paraphrases has the word, "corrupted", nor any hint of such a concept. YOU added it, but you deny adding it, so that makes you a liar as well.

How do you paraphrase the section in John 6 ?.

I don't.

 

[posthuman]

That’s not His resurrection of the cross. Where’s the cross in this passage? How come His own disciples had no clue of the cross? They didn’t understand the resurrection of the dead. They thought the resurrection was an idle tale.

how is it the one who believes in Him lives even though they die?
that ain't detached from what He did by laying down His life and taking it up again.
just because the disciples did not yet understand these things does not mean it is something 'different' - the one whose understanding matters is God's, and there is no time ever when God does not know all these things.