Why Joseph Prince is a Cancerous Growth within God's People

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When's the last time you flew on a "modest" prop airliner?

1973.

A puddle jumper from Trenton to D.C.

 

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Joseph Prince? Never heard of the guy.

Then you don't read the names of authors on copy/paste sermons on here or read signatures much.

 

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Anyway I am off to take a bath, read my Bible, pray and get some of the mud washed off me.

Actually, I literally am off to take a shower. lol

 

[UnderGrace]

It boggles the natural mind to consider that people would actually follow Christ even if they didn't "have to". Because spiritual things are spiritually discerned, it makes no sense "logically". But it does "experientally". Scripture also tells us to give with a joyful heart. But I don't see that being debated in here. It's a weird thing, when people say don't make the "gospel" too good. When "gospel" really means good news. Scripture tells us that we have "fruit of the spirit". Yet people think that somehow means "fruit of the law". It tells us where the Spirit is there is freedom, but the moment freedom is preached, fear rises up. Yet God didn't give us a spirit of fear, so then why do so many listen to it? And then worse try to enslave others to its voice?

C.

So right on!!! I never want to be enslaved again!

 

[UnderGrace]

I'm for those who understand that grace is not merely the dissemination of some commodity, principle or empowerment, that can then be "applied". As if Gods actions are ever detached from the manifestation of who He is in Himself. Grace is the active expression of the very essence of God Himself, there is no grace of God apart from God.

Thank you FreeNChrist, you have exactly said so well what I have been trying to say here! When you experience His Grace it is indeed that active expression for those who are born again in Him. What I had to come to understand is that His Grace is like the living water that is there for us continually not just at the moment of our new birth in Christ.

Angela

 

[UnderGrace]

Those who think that they don't have the ability to do righteousness are no better off than if they were under the law. In fact, they act like they are under law because they talk about how it condemns them.

Grace removes believers from the condemnation of the law and empowers them to do GOD's will, which is righteousness.

Just wondering where in scripture it says Grace removes believers form the condemnation of the law? Second question by saying this do you mean that we now continue to abide by the law because have Grace?

Thank you, Angela

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Just wondering where in scripture it says Grace removes believers form the condemnation of the law? Second question by saying this do you mean that we now continue to abide by the law because have Grace?

Thank you, Angela

1. Those who have been baptized into Christ are dead to the law.

2. Those who walk by the spirit fulfill all the righteousness of the law.

 

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To continue...

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I always thought the name of that song was Take the Load Off, Fanny.

That was the album I was singing in traffic jams last week. And that song is often repeated. But, yeah. That's the weary we're supposed to help others with.

 

[UnderGrace]

Is this The British North American Act?

Yeah? (I think we can both agree it is.)

Does that explain the entire document that tells all we ever needed to know about Canada?

Silly question, right? No. It really did describe Canada in one particular way, but it doesn't explain all there is to how your country is run, right?

Same problem with Romans. It is the Christian Acts/Constitution/how we're supposed to work. Paul starts in Romans 1 at a good spot and works out what God has done, is doing, will do forever. And he finished it with the particulars. It is to Christianity what the Constitution is to Americans. It is the basic treatise on what our nation (the Church rather than any given country) was built. (Sorry, would have used your country's treatise, but y'all kind of did it through a bunch of different papers, so it confused me too much to understand the basic treatise of your country.)

You took a tiny piece out of context. When you nix what was said up to that point and then what was said after that point, you're left with the same confusion I had learning your country only has four provinces. (Eek! You lost a huge part of your country. lol) So, yes grace is involved, but, again, it's not about grace. It's about God!

Interesting analogy, of course God is God and far more complex than we can understand and I am not simplifying the character of God who He is or putting Him in a box.

I am however saying that the Grace of God for us as born again believers is the sustaining force that constrains sin and also brings the true freedom in Christ to actually live a life that is pleasing to God.

Why oh why is this so offensive? And to answer my own question... it must be offensive because we want some part in being able to say I am good and do good, but God says all our righteousness is as filthy rags. I rather have God's Grace which is brings His Righteousness than my own filthy rags.

Just an FYI....

Well we no longer have the British North America Act we are now under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms our constitution was repatriated from Britain in 1982. LOL
Angela

 

[Angela53510]

Yes, and the Charter of Rights, the brain child of the worst Prime Minister Canada ever had (except for maybe Justin, his son!) put all our laws in the hands of the courts, and not the elected officials. The fiasco with doctor assisted suicide, and court sending the legislation back and setting deadlines (of today!) just goes to prove my point!

Bring back the BNA, I say!

One thing that has really been bothering me about some people's posts is when the capitalize the word "grace." I'm not talking about Grace777, that is a name. I am talking about post # 329, for example. I finally realized it reminded me of Catholic's capitalizing "mother" for Mary or "our" for "our Lord."

Because as wonderful as grace is, it is not a person. It is something coming from the Trinity, but it is not something that should be capitalized.

I guess I am being nit picky, but it has been bothering me for a while!

 

[Willie-T]

Yes, and the Charter of Rights, the brain child of the worst Prime Minister Canada ever had (except for maybe Justin, his son!) put all our laws in the hands of the courts, and not the elected officials. The fiasco with doctor assisted suicide, and court sending the legislation back and setting deadlines (of today!) just goes to prove my point!

Bring back the BNA, I say!

One thing that has really been bothering me about some people's posts is when the capitalize the word "grace." I'm not talking about Grace777, that is a name. I am talking about post # 329, for example. I finally realized it reminded me of Catholic's capitalizing "mother" for Mary or "our" for "our Lord."

Because as wonderful as grace is, it is not a person. It is something coming from the Trinity, but it is not something that should be capitalized.

I guess I am being nit picky, but it has been bothering me for a while!

Yeah, we should probably quit capitalizing Scripture and Salvation, too. LOL (Sorry, but I will probably always capitalize it, along with the word, Bible.)

 

[Stephen63]

They remind me of the intolerant progressive left that claims to be tolerant and liberal, but tries to silence the voices that don't agree with it.

There's a reason for that. You're getting so warm yer 'bout to ketch fire.

 

[UnderGrace]

Yes, and the Charter of Rights, the brain child of the worst Prime Minister Canada ever had (except for maybe Justin, his son!) put all our laws in the hands of the courts, and not the elected officials. The fiasco with doctor assisted suicide, and court sending the legislation back and setting deadlines (of today!) just goes to prove my point!

Bring back the BNA, I say!



One thing that has really been bothering me about some people's posts is when the capitalize the word "grace." I'm not talking about Grace777, that is a name. I am talking about post # 329, for example. I finally realized it reminded me of Catholic's capitalizing "mother" for Mary or "our" for "our Lord."

Because as wonderful as grace is, it is not a person. It is something coming from the Trinity, but it is not something that should be capitalized.

I guess I am being nit picky, but it has been bothering me for a while!

Hi fellow Canadian,

I capitalize Grace because when I am using it I am meaning the "Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ" being the teacher that I am I and I am shortening a proper noun I use a capital. This is my own personal thing but any attribute of God I capitalize to show I am talking about Him.

Well I prefer to be far away from Britain but then where we find ourselves is scary to say this least.

Angela

 

[Angela53510]

Hi fellow Canadian,

I capitalize Grace because when I am using it I am meaning the "Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ" being the teacher that I am I and I am shortening a proper noun I use a capital. This is my own personal thing but any attribute of God I capitalize to show I am talking about Him.

Well I prefer to be far away from Britain but then where we find ourselves is scary to say this least.

Angela

Hmm! Also a teacher and the PHRASE "grace of our Lord Jesus Christ" is NOT a proper noun. Lord Jesus Christ is, in the genitive case in this phrase. But grace is a noun, not a proper noun. If you don't believe me, just look in the Bible. Grace is never capitalized, and those guys know more about grammar than you or I ever will!

For example:

"The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you." Romans 16:20

"For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, so that you by his poverty might become rich." 2 Cor. 8:9

"The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit, brothers. Amen." Gal. 6:18

"The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you." 1 Thess. 5:28

I could go on, but I think this proves my point. The word "grace" unless it is the first word of a sentence is not capitalized in the Bible, because it is the head noun and not part of the genitive phrase, "of our Lord Jesus Christ."

As for Greek, the earliest manuscripts are all in majescules, so everything is capitalized. This time, the Greek doesn't help!

 

[UnderGrace]

Well not gonna argue...merely saying when I use Grace I often mean Jesus who is Grace. And don't assume what I know or do not know about grammar, I have a background in linguistics, speak fluent Italian, french and English.

 

[RobbyEarl]

Well not gonna argue...merely saying when I use Grace I often mean Jesus who is Grace. And don't assume what I know or do not know about grammar, I have a background in linguistics, speak fluent Italian, french and English.

well praise God for that, Amen.

 

[ladylynn]

No spiel needed. It is what I meant! I didn't know who thinks grace-only is their religion, but, yeah, it is their god. If you are Grace-only, than yeah, Grace is your god. If that's disparaging? Well, there you go. Personally, I'm not offended by people telling me "The God of the Bible is your God" because, yeah? He is. And?

As for spinning in circles. Apparently you haven't caught on. You keep asking me to join you in circling around to say the same thing I've already said. I simply haven't accepted the invitation. Thus you spin. I'm just

Nice doughnuts you got there though.

What is all this talk about grace being a god? The grace of God that bringeth salvation., grace is describing the LOVE of God. Grace is the kind of love only God gives that could bring salvation. (God IS Love) Grace begins with God and that is the only way we can understand Him and what He did for us., by getting a "revelation" and understanding of "HOW" He loves us. BY GRACE; not by our earning it. Alleluia!!!!!!! It's a time to celebrate!!! . We love Him because He first loved us. We have all we have in Christ because of the Love of God. That "love" is described as unmerited.,unearned., and unconditional.

That is the kind of love that the word GRACE describes. The Gospel of grace is the love of God. Everything is about the love of God IN Christ.

So we who are alllllllllllllllllwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyys talking about the gospel of grace are talking about the love of God in Christ. That is the gospel. We are to BEHOLD what MANNER of LOVE the Father has given unto us. we are to behold this manner of love and we do. Amen. GRACE is the manner in which God loves us., He does it based on Him and what He has overflowing in Him. His love is not based on us and who we are or what we do. Only God can do graciously all things for and to us. He does it graciously and UNCONDITIONALLY without our meriting any of it....

How is that knowing the love of God making grace a God???? You guys are so suspicious about so many things you don't accept the word grace; God's love., with allll of it's many and deeper ramifications. We celebrate and talk about and lean on and comfort ourselves IN His love for us., and are able to survive because of the manner of love the Father has given in Christ Jesus and His love is described by the word GRACE. The "way" God loves is not the "way" humans love. God's love is unmerited., unearned, unconditional in every possible way. The word GRACE describes God's love in and for us. It's un-worldly and un-human. Without Christ we are void of that kind of love and do not have understanding.

So when you hear the words "gospel of grace" and call it another gospel, I don't understand yours and others peoples reasoning. Remember that God so LOVED the world that He gave His only begotten Son., Because of God's (grace) the "way" He loves us which is ---graciously., which means He does it -unconditionally. He gives it with unmerited unearned favor. He gives His love unconditionally. God's love=the word 'grace' and that kind of gracious love sent Jesus (God's kind of love sent Jesus) Not human love, but God's love as described by the word;GRACE.

If someone is mean forinstance., the love of God (grace) teaches us how to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts. We are able to understand because Christ was our example.,we don't give back what they deserve., we give them what they don't deserve...unearned unworthy of love like God gives us In Christ. That is grace;unearned unmerited kindness toward someone because of the grace of God. Jesus brought grace and truth where Moses brought in the law. Jesus died for the ungodly., not the godly. That is grace/love in action. The law is out, grace and truth are in. When we deal with people we deal with them according to "grace which is the kind of love God gives us" and we don't deal with people according to "law the way Moses taught" We deal with people AND ourselves the way God does., with His kind of love which is described by the word (GRACE) Welcome to the new covenant Lynn.

 

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Thank you FreeNChrist, you have exactly said so well what I have been trying to say here! When you experience His Grace it is indeed that active expression for those who are born again in Him. What I had to come to understand is that His Grace is like the living water that is there for us continually not just at the moment of our new birth in Christ.

Angela

His Grace isn't living water. Jesus IS!

 

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Interesting analogy, of course God is God and far more complex than we can understand and I am not simplifying the character of God who He is or putting Him in a box.

I am however saying that the Grace of God for us as born again believers is the sustaining force that constrains sin and also brings the true freedom in Christ to actually live a life that is pleasing to God.

Why oh why is this so offensive? And to answer my own question... it must be offensive because we want some part in being able to say I am good and do good, but God says all our righteousness is as filthy rags. I rather have God's Grace which is brings His Righteousness than my own filthy rags.

Just an FYI....

Well we no longer have the British North America Act we are now under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms our constitution was repatriated from Britain in 1982. LOL
Angela

Again, no. "The Grace of God" is not the sustaining force. GOD is!

So which part of the life preserver are you focusing in. The left side, right side, top side, bottom side, inside, or outside? From now on, instead of calling it "The Grace of God" how about I just start calling it the left bottom outside? That's exactly what you've been doing all along -- separating God from Grace, because Grace is your god. You can't even say God. You keep talking about Grace!

And sorry. Haven't kept up with Canada. Strange thing -- 1982 was the last year I went to Canada.

 

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Hi fellow Canadian,

I capitalize Grace because when I am using it I am meaning the "Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ" being the teacher that I am I and I am shortening a proper noun I use a capital. This is my own personal thing but any attribute of God I capitalize to show I am talking about Him.

Well I prefer to be far away from Britain but then where we find ourselves is scary to say this least.

Angela

So you do admit Grace is a proper noun, thus the name of your god? It's not a geographical location, nor a title, so what other reason would it be capped?