Will different views on the end times cause one to go to hell?

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Amen.

And "enduring to the end" is obviously NOT about spiritual salvation but physical salvation.

To seriously believe that someone could loose their salvation because of not enduring during tribulation is a total misreading of the passage.
Some people think they can add to the work of Christ Jesus sadly.

Oh sure! Go ahead! Don't endure in Christ and give in to taking the mark of the beast when it's instituted. The mark shows where your allegiance and trust is. It's definitely NOT in Christ.

Get ready girl, because you WILL live through the great tribulation. I will not be surprised when you come up with all sorts of reasoning why it's safe to take the mark.


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[NotmebutHim]

I don't know if this is a troll thread or not, but here's my take:

I believe that end-times views are secondary issues.

I personally am a pre-mil pre-Trib rapture person who believes that there will be a specific 7-year period of tribulation in the future. However, I also know that many other Christians don't hold that view. We can all agree that all true followers of Christ WILL suffer tribulations and persecution, but not all agree that there will a rapture, a 7-year tribulation period and then the second coming of Christ.

I consider pre-mill pre, pre-mill mid, pre-mill post, a-mill and post-mill people to all be my brothers and sisters in Christ.

 

[TMS]

There may not be the same views and some are not salvational or affect the state of your relationship with Jesus but....

These doctrines or views will affect how you accept the deceptions and errors to come.

The Devil is trying to decieve the world and trying to get people to accept the mark of the beast.

The truth will set you free and different doctrines are not all truth

For example ...Understanding who the Beast is will greatly help to determine the MARK of the beast.

So false doctrines will cause people to be decieved and cause them to sin or not be ready or accept even more false doctrines.

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

 

[Dino246]

There may not be the same views and some are not salvational or affect the state of your relationship with Jesus but....

These doctrines or views will affect how you accept the deceptions and errors to come.

The Devil is trying to decieve the world and trying to get people to accept the mark of the beast.

The truth will set you free and different doctrines are not all truth

For example ...Understanding who the Beast is will greatly help to determine the MARK of the beast.

So false doctrines will cause people to be decieved and cause them to sin or not be ready or accept even more false doctrines.

While you don't say it overtly, you sound rather confident that your particular view of the end times is the only correct view, and therefore everyone who holds a different view is therefore deceived.

You seem to have little confidence in Jesus' words in John 10:27-29 "My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

While you don't say it overtly, you sound rather confident that your particular view of the end times is the only correct view, and therefore everyone who holds a different view is therefore deceived.

You seem to have little confidence in Jesus' words in John 10:27-29 "My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand.

That just means those who belong to God will obey Him and NOT take the mark. They will also endure to the end, even when the antichrist kills them because they know Jesus has victory over death and it has no hold over them.


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[wattie]

Person A doesn’t believe Premill, but Amill. Person B doesn’t believe Amill, but Premill. Person C doesn’t believe in neither, but postmill. Person D, believes in partial preterism, not full. Person E believes all prophecy has been fulfilled, EXCEPT the second coming of Christ and the things associated with it.

Which person is saved and which is lost? Does it matter which view one holds?

Eternal life hinges on belief on Jesus Christ as God, who can save you... not on end times views.

Unless its a cultish thing that denies Jesus to begin with, that has end times doctrine.

 

[Randy4u2c]

Person A doesn’t believe Premill, but Amill. Person B doesn’t believe Amill, but Premill. Person C doesn’t believe in neither, but postmill. Person D, believes in partial preterism, not full. Person E believes all prophecy has been fulfilled, EXCEPT the second coming of Christ and the things associated with it.

Which person is saved and which is lost? Does it matter which view one holds?

The question is....although all are Christians, do they all know that Satan will come to earth before Jesus claiming to be him or will they be deceived into worshipping him thinking he is God? There are some that the Lord will say to on his return, "I do not know you." If you fall away during Satan's deception you will no longer be a spiritual bride when Christ returns.

 

[Inquisitor]

Amen.

And "enduring to the end" is obviously NOT about spiritual salvation but physical salvation.

To seriously believe that someone could loose their salvation because of not enduring during tribulation is a total misreading of the passage.
Some people think they can add to the work of Christ Jesus sadly.

I would disagree with you on that point.

If you hold to a literal reading of Revelation 13.

If you also hold to Revelation 13 being a future event.

Then if you receive the mark; you do not pass GO and you go into the Lake of Fire.

 

[Inquisitor]

Amen.

And "enduring to the end" is obviously NOT about spiritual salvation but physical salvation.

To seriously believe that someone could loose their salvation because of not enduring during tribulation is a total misreading of the passage.
Some people think they can add to the work of Christ Jesus sadly.

The N.T is crystal clear about the reason for our salvation.

Romans 10:9-10
That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead,
you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses,
resulting in salvation.

You do need to endure in that belief of Jesus as Lord throughout your life.

Endurance in that belief in Jesus throughout your life has no bearing on the reason for your salvation.

2 Timothy 2:11-13
It is a trustworthy statement: For if we died with Him, we will also live with Him;
If we endure, we will also reign with Him; If we deny Him, He also will deny us;
If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.

Your salvation is linked to that belief in Jesus; lose that belief, that trust in Jesus, then you lose
your salvation.

 

[Inquisitor]

The question is....although all are Christians, do they all know that Satan will come to earth before Jesus claiming to be him or will they be deceived into worshipping him thinking he is God? There are some that the Lord will say to on his return, "I do not know you." If you fall away during Satan's deception you will no longer be a spiritual bride when Christ returns.

I think they worship the First Beast and the Dragon which they are directed to by the Second Beast.

Revelation 13:11-15
Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb and he spoke as a dragon.
He exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence. And he makes the earth and those who dwell in it
to worship the first beast, whose fatal wound was healed. He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come
down out of heaven to the earth in the presence of men. And he deceives those who dwell on the earth because
of the signs which it was given him to perform in the presence of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth
to make an image to the beast who had the wound of the sword and has come to life. And it was given to him to
give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast would even speak and cause as many as do
not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

 

[wattie]

The N.T is crystal clear about the reason for our salvation.

Romans 10:9-10
That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead,
you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses,
resulting in salvation.

You do need to endure in that belief of Jesus as Lord throughout your life.

Endurance in that belief in Jesus throughout your life has no bearing on the reason for your salvation.

2 Timothy 2:11-13
It is a trustworthy statement: For if we died with Him, we will also live with Him;
If we endure, we will also reign with Him; If we deny Him, He also will deny us;
If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.

Your salvation is linked to that belief in Jesus; lose that belief, that trust in Jesus, then you lose
your salvation.

The indwelling of the Holy Spirit stays when we are unfaithful.

Sealed unto the day of redemption.

He owns the salvation..not us. We CANT maintain our salvation..that is impossible..only God can.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

The indwelling of the Holy Spirit stays when we are unfaithful.

Sealed unto the day of redemption.

He owns the salvation..not us. We CANT maintain our salvation..that is impossible..only God can.

That's why you have to remain in Him and not take the mark. Taking the mark means you've haven't actually placed your faith in Him and are trusting the antichrist. Doesn't matter if you think such a person who takes the mark was never saved or had lost faith along the way. Taking the mark shows your allegiance to the antichrist.

When that day comes when you have to choose to take the mark or not, make up your mind to cling to the Lord and not take the mark and accept the loss that comes with that, including your life. All we have in this world is not worth clinging to the ability to buy and sell. We have a greater reward remaining with the Lord. So obey God's instruction and command to endure to the end.


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[wattie]

That's why you have to remain in Him and not take the mark. Taking the mark means you've haven't actually placed your faith in Him and are trusting the antichrist. Doesn't matter if you think such a person who takes the mark was never saved or had lost faith along the way. Taking the mark shows your allegiance to the antichrist.

When that day comes when you have to choose to take the mark or not, make up your mind to cling to the Lord and not take the mark and accept the loss that comes with that, including your life. All we have in this world is not worth clinging to the ability to buy and sell. We have a greater reward remaining with the Lord. So obey God's instruction and command to endure to the end.


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Of course im not going to take the mark.. the point here..is, also what HeisHere is typing.. is being born again is irreversible. You can't be unborn.

There is also no guarantee that a saved person will endure to the end.

I need to look at the scripture around the mark again..but the impression I get is God wouldn't let His children take it.

It just isn't something a saved person will be subject to, I'd imagine.

The 'he who endures to the end will be saved' verse has context not about salvation of the soul..but deliverance, rescue in terms of trials.. not eternal salvation.

 

[Slimsumo]

Person A doesn’t believe Premill, but Amill. Person B doesn’t believe Amill, but Premill. Person C doesn’t believe in neither, but postmill. Person D, believes in partial preterism, not full. Person E believes all prophecy has been fulfilled, EXCEPT the second coming of Christ and the things associated with it.

Which person is saved and which is lost? Does it matter which view one holds?

I would argue it does not matter when it comes to salvation. The only thing that people say all the time is "what if the pre-trib is wrong???" and they try to make it sounds like all the pre-tribbers would just give up their faith if it turns out they are in the midst of the worst time in human history. What I suspect would really happen is they would say "oh, I guess the post-tribbers were right." and carry on in their faith even more passionate than before, knowing the return of Christ is just behind the door.

 

[HeIsHere]

The N.T is crystal clear about the reason for our salvation.

Romans 10:9-10
That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead,
you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses,
resulting in salvation.

You do need to endure in that belief of Jesus as Lord throughout your life.

Endurance in that belief in Jesus throughout your life has no bearing on the reason for your salvation.

2 Timothy 2:11-13
It is a trustworthy statement: For if we died with Him, we will also live with Him;
If we endure, we will also reign with Him; If we deny Him, He also will deny us;
If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.

Your salvation is linked to that belief in Jesus; lose that belief, that trust in Jesus, then you lose
your salvation.

So you rely on yourself for salvation?

Perhaps dig deeper and think about what is denied, do you really thing it is the gift of salvation.

 

[HeIsHere]

I would disagree with you on that point.

If you hold to a literal reading of Revelation 13.

If you also hold to Revelation 13 being a future event.

Then if you receive the mark; you do not pass GO and you go into the Lake of Fire.

All these other Christians who did not live through the tribulation and the mark how blessed they were indeed, but this last group wow they get tossed in the Lake of Fire.

Who knew being born at the wrong time could make your salvation oh so precarious.
The mark and tribulation has already occurred so thankfully I do not have to see salvation as some revolving door.

Christ Jesus did state "you" 23 times in the Olivet Discourse. It would seem then that "you" does not really mean "you."

 

[Aaron56]

No, but they could make you useless to the Lord and to His body.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Of course im not going to take the mark.. the point here..is, also what HeisHere is typing.. is being born again is irreversible. You can't be unborn.

There is also no guarantee that a saved person will endure to the end.

I need to look at the scripture around the mark again..but the impression I get is God wouldn't let His children take it.

It just isn't something a saved person will be subject to, I'd imagine.

The 'he who endures to the end will be saved' verse has context not about salvation of the soul..but deliverance, rescue in terms of trials.. not eternal salvation.

That's where you're wrong and this is why so many so called Christians WILL fall away from the faith. That's what the Bible says will happen and you can't explain that away. There is no such thing as being unborn, but if babies in the real world can die, so can the Christian die if they don't remain in the Lord. You're only kidding yourself if you think you still are if you stray away from God, ignore the Holy Spirit and refuse Jesus as Lord (not believing what He says and disobeying Him). Such people don't really love God's truth and will be sent a strong delusion and is happening even now. They will actually think they're still saved when they really aren't.

In terms of enduring, the Bible always refers that to the great tribulation because that is a very specific time of intense persecution for Christians - worse than at any time. The only instruction the Lord gives us is that we endure in Him to the end. Christians will lose much, more so than even the Jews did in WW2 than just the ability to buy and sell. This will determine who and what we love truly love in our hearts - God or this world.

Just study the Holocaust and what many Jews in Europe lost. Then remember that the Lord Jesus told us that the great tribulation itself will be the worst time - worse than anything before it, including WW2 with the Holocaust or after. Christians who aren't prepared to endure in Christ will not make it and succumb to the antichrist and his mark.


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[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

All these other Christians who did not live through the tribulation and the mark how blessed they were indeed, but this last group wow they get tossed in the Lake of Fire.

Who knew being born at the wrong time could make your salvation oh so precarious.
The mark and tribulation has already occurred so thankfully I do not have to see salvation as some revolving door.

Christ Jesus did state "you" 23 times in the Olivet Discourse. It would seem then that "you" does not really mean "you."

How about Noah? Was he unfortunate to have been born and live at the time the Flood was to take place - the worst devastation by water the world has ever known? Nothing like it has ever happened before or since.

If God was to set up or allow extremely devastating events at a specific period in time, wouldn't He have warned His People how to prepare to survive it? This is why God associated Noah and the Flood with Christians in the great tribulation.

God instructed Noah EXACTLY how to survive the Flood - build an ark specific to God's measurements, materials and design and to fill it with his family and creatures He wants to survive the Flood.

But if Noah hadn't obeyed God's instructions to the letter, Noah, his family and land animals would NOT have survived. So it is with the Christians born to live through the great tribulation. Anyone who wants to survive the great tribulation with their salvation intact, will obey God's instruction to endure in Him to the end even unto death.


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[Inquisitor]

That's why you have to remain in Him and not take the mark. Taking the mark means you've haven't actually placed your faith in Him and are trusting the antichrist. Doesn't matter if you think such a person who takes the mark was never saved or had lost faith along the way. Taking the mark shows your allegiance to the antichrist.

When that day comes when you have to choose to take the mark or not, make up your mind to cling to the Lord and not take the mark and accept the loss that comes with that, including your life. All we have in this world is not worth clinging to the ability to buy and sell. We have a greater reward remaining with the Lord. So obey God's instruction and command to endure to the end.


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Nothing he can do about enduring.

Mwhaaaaaaa.