Will There Be A Rapture?

[cv5]

Well you did mention Judas. Everyone thought he was a genuine believer doing the good works that Jesus instructed. And then he betrayed the Lord. The antichrist will pretend for a while too, but those who belong to God won't be fooled. The antichrist will fool shallow Christians but not the true Church.

It think you missed the point friend.

The antichrist is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING like the True Christ.
On the contrary, he is the most profound polar opposite in all of creation.

Judas is THE Satan-man in of all history up to that point. Goliath is a profound Satan-man.

Furthermore, Judas the deceiver was completely UNDETECTABLE by any mere man, including the 12 Apostles.
However, Jesus God literally saw Satan enter Judas at the dipping of the sop, as nothing is hidden from the eyes of the Savior.
Jesus then COMMANDED Satan-Judas to proceed with his folly aka DELIVERING (***not betraying***) God to the Romans and Jews.

Jhn 13:27
And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.

"The lie", the greater Judas, the greater Goliath will be the most wicked, evil entity in all of creation.
Which is one of the reasons why we preach to every creature so that they never see his hour.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

TheDivineWatermark said:
The "GREAT tribulation" is ONLY the LATTER HALF of the 7-year period; so already you have misrepresented the "pre-trib Rapture" doctrine, in just your first sentence.

No, I have not... misrepresented man's pre-trib rapture doctrine,

"Pre-trib Rapture" is not the position saying our Rapture takes place before the "GREAT tribulation" (before the "SECOND HALF" of the 7 yr period); that's "MID-tribbers" who believe that.

It seems by your response that perhaps you didn't read past my first sentence.

and you instead want to try and spread lies against Jesus' Own Words, it means you have earned my IGNORE LIST!

Sorry to hear it.







BTW, Jesus' own words shows that the "GREAT tribulation" only commences at the MID-point of the 7 yr period, not at the START of the 7 yr period (which is what "PRE-trib" Rapture means, instead. PRE/BEFORE the START of the 7 yr period... not before the "GREAT tribulation"/SECOND HALF merely--That is an incorrect notion concerning what "Pre-Trib" actually teaches. I'm just being frank.)

 

[cv5]

BTW, Jesus' own words shows that the "GREAT tribulation" only commences at the MID-point of the 7 yr period

Clearly. This mid-point coinciding with......this phenomenon.
For reasons that are obvious.

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Actually, Israel's chastisement in earnest (aka "great tribulation" - specific to the sons of Jacob alone) occurs AFTER the AC is possessed/indwelt and vastly supercharged with power by Satan.

The 10 kings who remain after the tribulation wars give their power to the AC only AFTER he is resurrected from the dead (deadly head wound healed). Only then do they submit AND WORSHIP HIM. Because the AC is now (by their perception anyways) "unkillable". So unkillable that this end-time confederacy BELIEVES that they can actually go to war with YHVH and win. A Satanic deception of course......they all die.

The persecution of the Saints/Israel rapidly accelerates after Satan indwells the AC (mid-trib), who then becomes vastly powerful. You either take the mark of the beast or are executed. Resistance means death. All world governments assist in this pogrom.

Rev 13:3
And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Rev 13:4
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Rev 13:5
And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

Rev 13:12
And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

Rev 13:14
And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Clearly. This mid-point coinciding with......

Yeah, a great deal of @DavyP 's notion (of the chronology and timing) of Tribulation events, seems to HINGE on his flawed understanding of the "plural" word in v.24 (of Matt24), which he incorrectly states is "singular".


My, how one little mistaken *idea* (injected INTO the text) can throw off the entire [correct] sequence and chronology of it!



But will he EXAMINE IT to see if these things are so? I hope so.

 

[cv5]

Yeah, a great deal of @DavyP 's notion (of the chronology and timing) of Tribulation events, seems to HINGE on his flawed understanding of the "plural" word in v.24 (of Matt24), which he incorrectly states is "singular".


My, how one little mistaken *idea* (injected INTO the text) can throw off the entire [correct] sequence and chronology of it!

But will he EXAMINE IT to see if these things are so?

Well......I see a lot of copying and pasting from our buddy @DavyP . But little understanding.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

What should be the danger?
I know that everyone who claimes to be the Christ, but is not acting like 1. Thess 4,17 is the wrong One.

Simple concept.

Not sure why it is difficult for some to grasp, but oh well.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Well......I see a lot of copying and pasting from our buddy @DavyP . But little understanding.

Yeah, he sounds an awful lot like a poster who used to post similar ideas (esp. about the Trib's chronology [and duration], based on his faulty understanding of Matt24... and esp. v24, in the same way)... who also wrote a book covering the subject of the Greek word "apostasia" in 2Th2:3, touting a lot of mis-information about that also. I mean, all he needed to do was to zero in on "APO STASIS" (instead of going off on a bunch of unrelated tangents [and words], taking him far afield of the thing...)

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

It think you missed the point friend.

The antichrist is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING like the True Christ.
On the contrary, he is the most profound polar opposite in all of creation.

Judas is THE Satan-man in of all history up to that point. Goliath is a profound Satan-man.

Furthermore, Judas the deceiver was completely UNDETECTABLE by any mere man, including the 12 Apostles.
However, Jesus God literally saw Satan enter Judas at the dipping of the sop, as nothing is hidden from the eyes of the Savior.
Jesus then COMMANDED Satan-Judas to proceed with his folly aka DELIVERING (***not betraying***) God to the Romans and Jews.

Jhn 13:27
And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.

"The lie", the greater Judas, the greater Goliath will be the most wicked, evil entity in all of creation.
Which is one of the reasons why we preach to every creature so that they never see his hour.

I did state that the antichrist will PRETEND. Please read posts carefully. This is how you end up wasting time in vapid arguments that go nowhere. So tiring honestly.


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[cv5]

I did state that the antichrist will PRETEND. Please read posts carefully. This is how you end up wasting time in vapid arguments that go nowhere. So tiring honestly.

You are right. Sorry buddy. Multi-tasking here so I was neglectful.

My bad.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

And many who try to fail simply because they haven't yet studied enough of God's Word of both Old and New Testament Books. Did you know that starting in Isaiah 24 there are many Revelation parallels? Some Bible scholars call certain Chapters of the Book of Isaiah as "The Apocalypse of Isaiah."

Yes, Isaiah 24-27 is often called the little apocalypse, as you rightly mention.



This is why I am often pointing out the CONNECTIONS between:


--the FIRST of TWO "PUNISH" words in Isaiah 24:21-22[,23] PARALLELS "Rev19:19,21 / 16:14-16 / 20:5" (Armageddon time-slot / Second Coming); whereas the SECOND of the TWO "PUNISH" words in that Isa text PARALLELS the LATER "GWTj" time-slot, Rev20:11-15;


--the "GREAT" trumpet / sound of a trumpet, in Isaiah 27:9,12-13 PARALLELS "Matthew 24:29-31" (which Isaiah passage ALSO PARALLELS both Romans 11:27 and Daniel 9:24 [parts]... ALL regarding "ISRAEL'S *FUTURE*"--not about *us*/"the Church which is His body");


--the "Come, my people," in Isaiah 26:13-21 (v.20 esp) [but please read from v.13!!], "enter thou into they chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: HIDE THYSELF as it were for a little moment, UNTIL THE INDIGNATION BE OVERPAST" PARALLELS both Rev12:6,14 and Matt24:16,21 (so where it says, "Come, MY PEOPLE," this is referring to WHEN Israel WILL AGAIN [in the FUTURE] be called by Him "MY PEOPLE" [see also Ezek39:7], whereas presently they are "Lo Ammi" ['not my people'--see Rom9:26, about "Israel"]--but this is only temporary, during [the] "BLINDNESS [/a hardening]... UNTIL" Rom11:25[,15]... v.27, which again connects with "Isa27:9,12-13/Matt24:29-31" ABOUT *THEM* [the believing remnant of Israel])