2Timothy 1:9

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KohenMatt

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maybe we should just ignore the legalists in the thread, and just continue, We plant the seed, let God water it, WHo knows what will happen? It was a great thread up till that point, Like I said, we who have faith always need the reminder. whether they want to agree or not is not on us
Sometimes I wish some of you would ignore us "legalists" so we could talk about the Law and grace while not being accused of being "legalists.";)
 

RickyZ

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Sorry guys, not trying to rain on your parade. Just pointing out that how you interpret determines how you believe, and how one believes determines how one interprets. And that you really can't separate the two. Now, if you only want to discuss legalism with other legalists (or non-legalism with non-legalists) I'm not sure how you would segregate that from the general public discussion. Perhaps the thread title could be 'for legalists only' but that still wouldn't necessarily weed out the likes of me ;)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Sometimes I wish some of you would ignore us "legalists" so we could talk about the Law and grace while not being accused of being "legalists.";)
Mixing law and grace is legalism.. so we would not have to call them legalists . it would be assumed :p
 

KohenMatt

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Mixing law and grace is legalism.. so we would not have to call them legalists . it would be assumed :p
As always, the context of what for what purpose you're talking about law and grace determines who is a "legalist" or not. It's always a good idea to make that distinction when talking about anyone who keeps the Law, not just broad assumptions. (Like assumptions that certain people don't take the Lord's supper every week.;))
 
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eternally-gratefull

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As always, the context of what for what purpose you're talking about law and grace determines who is a "legalist" or not. It's always a good idea to make that distinction when talking about anyone who keeps the Law, not just broad assumptions. (Like assumptions that certain people don't take the Lord's supper every week.;))
No one keeps the law. Some people think they can, And many more water down the law so they can tell themselves they keep it. But only one man has every kept the law. And he died on a cross.

So when people tell me they obey the law.. Well they have already started off on a bad note :p

 

KohenMatt

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No one keeps the law. Some people think they can, And many more water down the law so they can tell themselves they keep it. But only one man has every kept the law. And he died on a cross.

So when people tell me they obey the law.. Well they have already started off on a bad note :p

I agree with the majority of what you said. And while I know I can't keep it perfectly, doesn't mean I shouldn't try to keep it at all. If I were trying to keep it for my salvation's sake, I'd be in a heap of trouble!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I agree with the majority of what you said. And while I know I can't keep it perfectly, doesn't mean I shouldn't try to keep it at all. If I were trying to keep it for my salvation's sake, I'd be in a heap of trouble!
I just think if we spent as much time and effort trying to serve the lost. as we do as trying to keep some law which can not make us righteous (and no I do not mean saved, I mean righteous, or Godlike) the church would be so much better off.. And so many more people would find Christ
 

crossnote

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#88

maybe we should just ignore the legalists in the thread, and just continue, We plant the seed, let God water it, WHo knows what will happen? It was a great thread up till that point, Like I said, we who have faith always need the reminder. whether they want to agree or not is not on us
Well I think it illustrates one point. Our fallen nature gravitates towards law and works, as it gives something to lean on to as opposed to a mere promise from God, and it gives a shot in the arm of pride..."yes I can!"
The law comes natural, the Gospel is alien to our natural thinking.
 

KohenMatt

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maybe we should just ignore the legalists in the thread, and just continue, We plant the seed, let God water it, WHo knows what will happen? It was a great thread up till that point, Like I said, we who have faith always need the reminder. whether they want to agree or not is not on us
No one keeps the law. Some people think they can, And many more water down the law so they can tell themselves they keep it. But only one man has every kept the law. And he died on a cross.

So when people tell me they obey the law.. Well they have already started off on a bad note :p

HAH! Got ya doing what you didn't want to do!
Busted.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Well I think it illustrates one point. Our fallen nature gravitates towards law and works, as it gives something to lean on to as opposed to a mere promise from God, and it gives a shot in the arm of pride..."yes I can!"
The law comes natural, the Gospel is alien to our natural thinking.

Thats why we need to run so far from it once we find Christ that it can't catch up to us.

When we gravitate to law. We think are more righteous than we really are, and we take our mind of Christ and plant it right back on self.

Yes, even as true believers we can do this, I think satan uses this tactic all the time. (he does me)
 

crossnote

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I agree with the majority of what you said. And while I know I can't keep it perfectly, doesn't mean I shouldn't try to keep it at all. If I were trying to keep it for my salvation's sake, I'd be in a heap of trouble!
Another aspect of legalism...trying to keep the law in your own strength.
 

KohenMatt

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I just think if we spent as much time and effort trying to serve the lost. as we do as trying to keep some law which can not make us righteous (and no I do not mean saved, I mean righteous, or Godlike) the church would be so much better off.. And so many more people would find Christ
I agree with you. But not everyone tries to keep the law to make us righteous. I know where my righteousness comes from.

I suppose you could say the same thing about those who spend so much time trying to come against those who keep the law, instead of serving the lost.:confused:
 
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eternally-gratefull

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HAH! Got ya doing what you didn't want to do!
Busted.
I made a suggestion to Crossnote. because he was upset people brought law in, that maybe we should do something, (i never claimed I was upset now did I)

And you got me??

Shrugg.. Wow..
 

KohenMatt

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I made a suggestion to Crossnote. because he was upset people brought law in, that maybe we should do something, (i never claimed I was upset now did I)

And you got me??

Shrugg.. Wow..
I know you weren't upset, I was just messing around with you.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I agree with you. But not everyone tries to keep the law to make us righteous. I know where my righteousness comes from.

I suppose you could say the same thing about those who spend so much time trying to come against those who keep the law, instead of serving the lost.:confused:
Actually, I do not have to go after people in real life. It is only in here where I have to discuss it.

I would rather be talking about more important things, But sadly,, If one person can be seen that we are not good people because we obey the law. But because we love.. Then one person has been freed from slavery and self righteousness

I was deep involved with law living most of my christian life.. so I speak from experience (wink)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I know you weren't upset, I was just messing around with you.
lol. I thought you were.. but was not sure, hard to read sometimes..lol